World class pedantic dickweedery
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@boomzilla said:
@flabdablet said:
Aw, but we were at 350 posts!All of which makes it pretty clear that further participation in this thread would be time I should be spending on more interesting pursuits like, I dunno, maybe alphabetizing my CD collection.
Probably best for all involved. Someone might take you seriously.
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@drurowin said:
@boomzilla said:
@flabdablet said:
Aw, but we were at 350 posts!All of which makes it pretty clear that further participation in this thread would be time I should be spending on more interesting pursuits like, I dunno, maybe alphabetizing my CD collection.
Probably best for all involved. Someone might take you seriously.
Please make this thread stop.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@drurowin said:
@boomzilla said:
@flabdablet said:
Aw, but we were at 350 posts!All of which makes it pretty clear that further participation in this thread would be time I should be spending on more interesting pursuits like, I dunno, maybe alphabetizing my CD collection.
Probably best for all involved. Someone might take you seriously.
Please make this thread stop.
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that joke was made at least 4 times on the Zamfoo thread on WHT that made its way in this forum lately
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@Ronald said:
Zamfoo thread
Hmm. That thread's acquired another 7 pages since I last looked at it.
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@PJH said:
Hmm. That thread's acquired another 7 pages since I last looked at it.
.. plus several hop-off links.
Oddly, I recognise some of the names on WHT.com - I'm sure I've had dealings with a few before, and two of them I definitely know.
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@PJH said:
@Ronald said:
Zamfoo thread
Hmm. That thread's acquired another 7 pages since I last looked at it.The pager on that forum is very peculiar. The thread has 23 pages:
- If you go to page 1 the pager shows page 1-2-3-4-11.
- If you go to page 11 it shows 8-9-10-11-12-13-14-21.
- If you go to page 14 it shows 4-11-12-13-14-15-16-17
I think the logic is to show a 7-page jump shortcut at the beginning and end, excluding the 1st and last page, and not showing the shortcut if there are less than 7 pages in the said direction (still excluding the 1st and last page, and not counting the landing). That's an interesting approach and I can tell it's excellent because it can't be explained easily.
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@Ronald said:
it can't be explained easily
When at page N, show pages N-10, N-3, N-2, N-1, N, N+1, N+2, N+3, N+10 (if they are valid).Edit: oh wait, I get it. First and last pages not displayed in some cases. Check.
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@Zecc said:
@Ronald said:
it can't be explained easily
When at page N, show pages N-10, N-3, N-2, N-1, N, N+1, N+2, N+3, N+10 (if they are valid).Edit: oh wait, I get it. First and last pages not displayed in some cases. Check.
All you need is First, Last, Previous, Next and a jump-to-page text box.
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@morbiuswilters said:
All you need is First, Last, Previous, Next and a jump-to-page text box.
And a "Go" button, of course.Alternatively you can have dropdown instead of the textbox. Even if there are a huge number of pages you can still type. It's not as friendly if you mistype though.
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@Zecc said:
@morbiuswilters said:
All you need is First, Last, Previous, Next and a jump-to-page text box.
And a "Go" button, of course.Alternatively you can have dropdown instead of the textbox. Even if there are a huge number of pages you can still type. It's not as friendly if you mistype though.
Unless one needs to artificially pump up pageview stats for ads, having more than one page is useless. And counterproductive: as an example if there was not the need to click on the next page I'd spend a lot more time checking the failblog.
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@Ronald said:
@Zecc said:
@morbiuswilters said:
All you need is First, Last, Previous, Next and a jump-to-page text box.
And a "Go" button, of course.Alternatively you can have dropdown instead of the textbox. Even if there are a huge number of pages you can still type. It's not as friendly if you mistype though.
Unless one needs to artificially pump up pageview stats for ads, having more than one page is useless. And counterproductive: as an example if there was not the need to click on the next page I'd spend a lot more time checking the failblog.
Ronald, the trick to effective trolling is subtlety.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ronald said:
@Zecc said:
@morbiuswilters said:
All you need is First, Last, Previous, Next and a jump-to-page text box.
And a "Go" button, of course.Alternatively you can have dropdown instead of the textbox. Even if there are a huge number of pages you can still type. It's not as friendly if you mistype though.
Unless one needs to artificially pump up pageview stats for ads, having more than one page is useless. And counterproductive: as an example if there was not the need to click on the next page I'd spend a lot more time checking the failblog.
Ronald, the trick to effective trolling is subtlety.
Do you ever read forums or blogs on a tablet? It's a bitch to aim carefully at the "next page" button, but I can scroll by lazily dragging my finger anywhere over the screen. THAT is progress. Fuck pagers.
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@Ronald said:
@morbiuswilters said:
@Ronald said:
@Zecc said:
@morbiuswilters said:
All you need is First, Last, Previous, Next and a jump-to-page text box.
And a "Go" button, of course.Alternatively you can have dropdown instead of the textbox. Even if there are a huge number of pages you can still type. It's not as friendly if you mistype though.
Unless one needs to artificially pump up pageview stats for ads, having more than one page is useless. And counterproductive: as an example if there was not the need to click on the next page I'd spend a lot more time checking the failblog.
Ronald, the trick to effective trolling is subtlety.
Do you ever read forums or blogs on a tablet? It's a bitch to aim carefully at the "next page" button, but I can scroll by lazily dragging my finger anywhere over the screen. THAT is progress. Fuck pagers.
When's the last time you used the "jump to page" control instead of just typing a different number into the address bar?
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@Zecc said:
@morbiuswilters said:
All you need is First, Last, Previous, Next and a jump-to-page text box.
And a "Go" button, of course.Alternatively you can have dropdown instead of the textbox. Even if there are a huge number of pages you can still type. It's not as friendly if you mistype though.
A drop down's great, unless you're using [url="http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/28223/330761.aspx"]IE10[/url].
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@Lorne Kates said:
A drop down's
greatterrible, unless you're using IE10; in that case it's still terrible, but you can't call it a drop-down.FTFY
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@Ronald said:
Do you ever read forums or blogs on a tablet?
Naw.. I know the trend is in the other direction, but I still prefer vaginas to penises.
@Ronald said:
It's a bitch to aim carefully at the "next page" button, but I can scroll by lazily dragging my finger anywhere over the screen. THAT is progress. Fuck pagers.
You know what else is easier? Marrying a dude and spending all day playing video games and drinking beer rather than listening to a woman's bitching.
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@Lorne Kates said:
A drop down's great, unless you're using IE10.
Oh, the drop downs in IE 10 are particularly great? That's fantastic news! I was on the fence because of the sub-par drop downs in IE 9, but just hearing that they are much-improved in IE 10 is all I need to approve a multi-million dollar IE-10-only project!
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ronald said:
Do you ever read forums or blogs on a tablet?
Naw.. I know the trend is in the other direction, but I still prefer vaginas to penises.
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@Ben L. said:
Look at that!! Immigrants taking crucial gif jobs from animated Americans.. the shame.
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@Ronald said:
Zamfoo thread
That Kevin guy really is an idiot it seems:@Thread said:The initially found exploit are now fixed on round two of updates from zamfoo. Appears he did a lot better testing and sanitation this time.
(Emphasis mine)
Kevin, There still remains a issue with the update cgi.
A reseller runs zamfoo_reseller_update.cgi
It says this:
Removing Tar File: Done
do nothing. the update file exists Disregard Update Errors Update Complete
However -- now the zamfoo installation is completely removed from the server.
I don't see why resellers even have access to this...here is how you fix it ENV['REMOTE_USER'] = root else fail.
BTW, damages a system file:
Jun 20 20:10:29 meh sshd[20325]: pam_limits(sshd:session): cannot read settings from /etc/security/limits.conf: No such file or directory
Once this happens.. ssh no longer allows authentication.
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@Ben L. said:
Filed under: vq15BAG
What did you call me? You take that back!Filed under: veek you, onefivebag.
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@Maciejasjmj said:
Your water pipes burst, you want a neat, comforting bath, and you need to know how many bottles you have to give your woman to take to the well. For example.
I don't know about Polish women, but my wife complains when I ask her to help me scoot a small sofa. Telling her to go get me 400lbs of water from the well while I schluff off for a pleasant bath instead of fixing the pipes? I don't think she'd even bother to make it look like an accident.
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@morbiuswilters said:
a jump-to-page text box.
Lukily, you don't design UIs, because clearly your prioritize "space saving" or actual interactive ease.
@morbiuswilters said:
@Ronald said:
Unless one needs to artificially pump up pageview stats for ads, having more than one page is useless. And counterproductive: as an example if there was not the need to click on the next page I'd spend a lot more time checking the failblog.
Ronald, the trick to effective trolling is subtlety.
No, he's right. Endless Scrolling like twitter has is super good. Its
only flaw is marking the spot where you were and returning to it, in
case you have to leave, but that's a solvable problem, even though no
site that employs endless scrolling implements such a feature.
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@Lorne Kates said:
A drop down's great, unless you're using IE10.
If you goal is to select next page, next page, next page, then IE10's mid-centering of the list is better.
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@dhromed said:
Lukily, you don't design UIs, because clearly your prioritize "space saving" or actual interactive ease.
No, I prioritize interactive ease over, uh.. not interactive ease. It's a fuck of a lot quicker and easier to type in the page you want to go to rather than have to search for it in a huge list of fucking hyperlinks.
@dhromed said:
No, he's right. Endless Scrolling like twitter has is super good.
No it isn't. For one, your scrollbar becomes tinier and tinier, making it harder to scroll effectively. For two, after awhile all those DOM objects start making shit slow.
For three, there's no concept of spatial orientation: with pages, a post that is on Page 1 is always on Page 1. You know how to get there. How the fuck do you get to that post when it's part of an always-expanding infinite page? scroll-scroll-scroll-scroll Seriously, if you think swiping your finger across a goddamn glass plate 500 times is an efficient mechanism for navigation, you are retarded. Not to mention that those sites only pre-load about 2 pages of shit, so it's constantly trying to do AJAX requests to pull in another two pages, so instead it's like: scroll-waaaait-scroll--waaaait-scroll-waaaait Then try doing it on a desktop computer where the fucking scrollbar keeps changing size and position. Fan-fucking-tastic.
For four, as you already pointed out nobody makes an easy way to bookmark your place. (Of course, bookmarks are just a crutch, anyway, to get around the fact that a person can't just go back to the first page, fifth page, X page, whatever..)
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@dhromed said:
twitter
Oh, and the only reason Twitter even has that UI is because the people at Twitter realized nothing important ever happens on Twitter. Nobody's scrolling back 50 pages, because there's nothing valuable enough to bother with. So nobody even realizes how shitty the Twitter UI idioms are.
Let's have a real company that makes real products that people actually use adopt this technology: all Google searches will now just scroll infinitely. Of course, this instantly becomes a nightmare and reveals the fatal weaknesses in the infinite scolling idiom.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@dhromed said:
Lukily, you don't design UIs, because clearly your prioritize "space saving" or actual interactive ease.
No, I prioritize interactive ease over, uh.. not interactive ease. It's a fuck of a lot quicker and easier to type in the page you want to go to rather than have to search for it in a huge list of fucking hyperlinks.
You might think so, but I'll bet you don't have a Scientific Study to prove it!
I hate pagers. But I don't know a better way to get around them (without sacrificing the aforementioned ad impressions). I don't usually like using typed input when I encounter them, because most of the time I'm in reading mode, so I probably don't have my hands on the keyboard, but at least have one on the mouse, so it's easy-ish to just click (once you decipher the pager). OTOH, looking through a long list of pages, having that input box makes it easier to do something like a binary search and find things more quickly.
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@boomzilla said:
But I don't know a better way to get around them (without sacrificing the aforementioned ad impressions).
You just embed the ads every 30 posts or so. Or, better yet, make a fixed element on the page which scrolls with the user and which just displays ads and rotates inventory periodically. This really isn't a difficult problem. The thing is, paging is just a better way to organize and navigate information. Having one giant megapage you have to scroll through is asinine.
@boomzilla said:
I don't usually like using typed input when I encounter them, because most of the time I'm in reading mode, so I probably don't have my hands on the keyboard, but at least have one on the mouse, so it's easy-ish to just click (once you decipher the pager).
But there are links for forward and backward, which are the most likely things you're going to click. If you need to go to a specific page, there's a good chance there won't even be a hyperlink for the page you want to go to, since so many pagers do the "1 2 ... 10 .. 20 .. 37" shit. And of course they could display every single page as a hyperlink, which is fine if you have 10 or 20 pages. If you have 700 pages, it suddenly doesn't fucking work.
So in that case, yeah, you have to move your fingers over to type, but at least I'm actually giving you the option to jump to any page you want. Fuck, half the time I just end up modifying the URL to go to the page I want because the fucking UI is so fucked it doesn't give an easy way to navigate directly to the page I want.
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@morbiuswilters said:
For three, there's no concept of spatial orientation: with pages, a post that is on Page 1 is always on Page 1. You know how to get there.
Except for sites that order posts in descending order, inserting new posts at the top of Page 1 and pushing older ones off the bottom of the page onto Page 2, etc. Let's see, what page is that post on now?
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@HardwareGeek said:
@morbiuswilters said:
For three, there's no concept of spatial orientation: with pages, a post that is on Page 1 is always on Page 1. You know how to get there.
Except for sites that order posts in descending order, inserting new posts at the top of Page 1 and pushing older ones off the bottom of the page onto Page 2, etc. Let's see, what page is that post on now?
That is horrible and should never be done.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@HardwareGeek said:
@morbiuswilters said:
For three, there's no concept of spatial orientation: with pages, a post that is on Page 1 is always on Page 1. You know how to get there.
Except for sites that order posts in descending order, inserting new posts at the top of Page 1 and pushing older ones off the bottom of the page onto Page 2, etc. Let's see, what page is that post on now?
That is horrible and should never be done.
FAIL Blog
The internet has generated a huge amount of laughs from cats and FAILS. And we all out of cats.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Let's have a real company that makes real products that people actually use adopt this technology: all Google searches will now just scroll infinitely. Of course, this instantly becomes a nightmare and reveals the fatal weaknesses in the infinite scolling idiom.
Of course, Google image search already does this. Yes, it is a nightmare.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@MiffTheFox said:
Honestly, my opinion on whether global warming (really climate change, although i call it climate destabilization) is natural is that it doesn't fucking matter. It's messing up our quality of life.
Bullshit. Even the climate alarmists admit there's been no climate change thus far.
This is nonsense. The southern US has been in a long drought for the last 10 years. Billions of dollars are being spent to divert water to the region, to support agriculture and growing urbanization. On top of the infrastructure investment, water prices are rising on the west coast as demand picks up.
http://climate.nasa.gov/effects:
[blockquote]
Global climate change has already had observable effects on the environment. Glaciers have shrunk, ice on rivers and lakes is breaking up earlier, plant and animal ranges have shifted and trees are flowering sooner.Effects that scientists had predicted in the past would result from global climate change are now occurring: loss of sea ice, accelerated sea level rise and longer, more intense heat waves.
[/blockquote]Siberian permafrost is melting, and is releasing massive amounts of methane.
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Actually, search results is the one case I can think of from the top of my head where it makes sense to have infinite scrolling, because it's a one time navigation and it's unlikely you're trying to skip ahead.
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@HardwareGeek said:
@morbiuswilters said:
Let's have a real company that makes real products that people actually use adopt this technology: all Google searches will now just scroll infinitely. Of course, this instantly becomes a nightmare and reveals the fatal weaknesses in the infinite scolling idiom.
Of course, Google image search already does this. Yes, it is a nightmare.
Oh yeah. Of course, they artificially limit the number of image results to a few hundred, too, but even with that small number it's a nightmare to navigate.
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@poopdeville said:
The southern US has been in a long drought for the last 10 years.
There have frequently been droughts in the world, long before the industrial age, you dipshit.
@poopdeville said:
Billions of dollars are being spent to divert water to the region, to support agriculture and growing urbanization.
Yeah, more people are living in the south, too, which is driving up demand for water. Duh. What the fuck does that have to do with climate change?
@poopdeville said:
Glaciers have shrunk
And other ice sheets have grown. Look, if you weren't an idiot you might be aware that glaciers weren't permanent fixtures of the environment, but rather features which expand and receded (relatively, on the cosmological scale) rapidly.
@poopdeville said:
...ice on rivers and lakes is breaking up earlier, plant and animal ranges have shifted and trees are flowering sooner.
Once again, why do you think any of this is abnormal? There have been small, regional changes in climate for-fucking-ever. There used to be glaciers covering most of the upper midwest--do you think humans removed those, too?
Seriously, you fucking idiots make me sick with your fucking ignorance.
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@Zecc said:
Actually, search results is the one case I can think of from the top of my head where it makes sense to have infinite scrolling, because it's a one time navigation and it's unlikely you're trying to skip ahead.
Of course trying to move back becomes a hassle. And there are plenty of times when you might, say, want to skip the first several pages of results.
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@Zecc said:
@Ben L. said:
Filed under: vq15BAG
What did you call me? You take that back!Filed under: veek you, onefivebag.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Zecc said:
I'm not sure I follow you when you say "move back". I always open search results in a new tab, if that's what you mean.Actually, search results is the one case I can think of from the top of my head where it makes sense to have infinite scrolling, because it's a one time navigation and it's unlikely you're trying to skip ahead.
Of course trying to move back becomes a hassle. And there are plenty of times when you might, say, want to skip the first several pages of results.
But you're right about skipping the first search results. I was going to say "if you're skipping the first results you're not being specific enough in your search"; but now I'm thinking, in the particular case of image search, you may want to skip the first images which are the ones "everyone's using", and are therefore "not hip".
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ben L. said:
Please tell me that wasn't the cake from your recent birthday..
I took no part in deciding what the cake my sister made would look like.
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She ran out of frosting for the middle, so she used that blue toilet sanitizer stuff.
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@Ben L. said:
@morbiuswilters said:
Is that a photo from cakewrecks?@Ben L. said:
Please tell me that wasn't the cake from your recent birthday..
I took no part in deciding what the cake my sister made would look like.
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@Ben L. said:
I took no part in deciding what the cake my sister made would look like.
So you didn't ask for a Chrome cake, she just knew you well enough to make you a Chrome cake, unbidden. I suppose that makes it better?
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ben L. said:
I took no part in deciding what the cake my sister made would look like.
So you didn't ask for a Chrome cake, she just knew you well enough to make you a Chrome cake, unbidden. I suppose that makes it better?
Oh it's a Chrome cake. I was sure it was a gay anus, because of the shape plus the rainbow theme.
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