WTF Office?
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@tsaukpaetra said in WTF Office?:
@kt_ said in WTF Office?:
sowsnt
Mobile user detected!
nah, they just borrowed my keybroad
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@cartman82 said in WTF Office?:
Why would you need updates? It's not like Office has drastically improved since 2007. If you are just using the basic features, pay once and never pay again.
Very much this. I have Office 2007 on an older computer and it does everything for me. Only thing it lacks is a good equation editor in PowerPoint, and I would have used it in university if I wasn't a die hard LaTeX fan.
@kt_ you have good points.
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@marczellm said in WTF Office?:
@kt_ you have good points.
Thank you, you're an unusually kind person.
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@marczellm said in WTF Office?:
I would have used it in university if I wasn't a die hard LaTeX fan.
I used Word 2007 to take math notes in university, and found that the math auto-correct shortcuts mapped almost-if-not-1:1 to their LaTeX equivalents.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF Office?:
At least Google is content with your soul and doesn't demand you purchase a license as well.
WRITING PROMPT: dystopian sci fi future, but $RELIGION turns out to be correct and souls are a thing that exists. The government quickly moves to regulate souls. Anyone caught with an unlicensed soul faces fines or jail time.
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Status: Accidentally managed to side-by-side install Office 2021 (which is click-to-run and not a traditional install) alongside Office 2016 (which was installed like a normal fucking program).
Now of course 2016 is fucked up because and Microsoft no longer cares about multiple versions of office running together, so I go to uninstall it and...
"Can't install! Maybe uninstall first?" No shit you piece of uninspired armpit slime. š
Also, after clicking "Ok" the installer hangs and must be cancelled by clicking the windows' Close button (which doesn't close the window but instead asks if you want to cancel). Good jorb!
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@Tsaukpaetra Bet you'll have to uninstall 2021, then repair 2016, then remove 2016, then install 2021. You know, the most labor intensive way possible (well, excluding the "delete the files and hack the registry" method)
Oh, almost forgot - and a reboot will be required between each step.
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@dcon said in WTF Office?:
@Tsaukpaetra Bet you'll have to uninstall 2021, then repair 2016, then remove 2016, then install 2021. You know, the most labor intensive way possible (well, excluding the "delete the files and hack the registry" method)
Oh, almost forgot - and a reboot will be required between each step.
That IS the intended solution, yes.
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@dcon said in WTF Office?:
Oh, almost forgot - and a reboot will be required between each step.
ļ ŗ Just be thankful you don't have to format and re-install
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Office?:
@dcon said in WTF Office?:
Oh, almost forgot - and a reboot will be required between each step.
ļ ŗ Just be thankful you don't have to format and re-install
And all your files will be right where you (I couldn't finish)
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Office?:
@dcon said in WTF Office?:
Oh, almost forgot - and a reboot will be required between each step.
ļ ŗ Just be thankful you don't have to format and re-install
I plan on doing that anyways, eventually.
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@Tsaukpaetra kill it with fire, itās the only way to be sure.
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@Arantor said in WTF Office?:
@Tsaukpaetra kill it with fire, itās the only way to be sure.
Leaving it in the care of @Tsaukpaetra is just about as sure a way of killing something tech.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Office?:
which is click-to-run and not a traditional install
So, what about removing that new fangled shit by just deleting the folder where it was copied to?
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Office?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Office?:
which is click-to-run and not a traditional install
So, what about removing that new fangled shit by just deleting the folder where it was copied to?
Oh right, I totally forgot to tell it to fuck off with Caching itself twice "just in case it needs to repair itself".
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@TimeBandit said in WTF Office?:
@dcon said in WTF Office?:
Oh, almost forgot - and a reboot will be required between each step.
ļ ŗ Just be thankful you don't have to format and re-install
It'd be cleaner to do so. Although, if you really want Windows to make you format and re-install, install Office 97 on anything past XP.
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@Parody said in WTF Office?:
install Office 97 on anything past XP.
That sounds like challenge for @Tsaukpaetra.
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Office?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Office?:
which is click-to-run and not a traditional install
So, what about removing that new fangled shit by just deleting the folder where it was copied to?
Click-to-run a non-traditional installer that pretends to be starting the application while it downloads more stuff to smear all over your system with no way of knowing where it all went, right?
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I bought a copy of Microsoft Office "Professional Edition".
In 2003.
Much to the dismay of Microsoft, I still use it extensively at home.
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The functionality that I need from Word and Excel is exactly the same today as it was 20 years ago. I have never encountered a situation where I can't do exactly what I want/need to do.
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It doesn't have any significant bugs that have ever caused a problem for me.
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It creates documents that can be read by other newer versions of Office, for those rare occasions when I need to send a document to someone. Or I can just convert to PDF.
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I build a new computer every 3 or 4 years. Office 2003 is the last version to not require "activation", so installing it on a new computer is easy.
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I have tried newer versions of Office, and a couple of the free/open source "office" programs, and to the surprise of exactly no one, they are shit.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF Office?:
a couple of the free/open source "office" programs, and to the surprise of exactly no one, they are shit.
I've used both OpenOffice and LibreOffice. They're good enough for my purposes. The only problem I've had is that macros I created in MS Office don't work; that's inconvenient but not a deal-breaker.
I like the way they deal with unexpected program closure, e.g., reboot by Windows Update, better than MS Office. Instead of creating .docb, .xlsb, or whatever files, which you then have to go through and figure out whether they have differences from your latest saved files, which is more recent, and either deleting the .xlsb or saving it over the older .xlsx, it simply gives you a dialog with one click to recover what you were working on, and when it's done that, everything is open to continue from exactly where you left off.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Office?:
it simply gives you a dialog with one click to recover what you were working on, and when it's done that, everything is open to continue from exactly where you left off.
That's how Office works IME - although I've only used Office on Mac for the last few years and I don't expect consistency between the Mac and Windows versions.
There's no Visio for Mac so I used to use LibreOffice just for its Visio equivalent and it was painful.
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@loopback0 Every version of MS Office I've used (Windows only) gives you a sidebar in the document window listing all the documents it has recovered and the latest saved version of those documents, requiring you to decide which you want to keep.
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@LaoC Not the mostest usefullest of arguments for avoiding PP or XL.
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@Steve_The_Cynic "Argument" is a bit of an overstatement, but "Fuck Powerpoint" with a creek and a sitar just speaks for itself, beautifully.
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@Gern_Blaanston The old equation editor sucks compared to actually being able to use MathJax (or a variant of it).
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@LaoC Oh, yeah, for sure it was succint and to the point, but it definitely lacked explicative power.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF Office?:
it definitely lacked explicative power.
Maybe we could make a PowerPoint to explain it better
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I have Click and Run Office on my computer and I still don't know wtf it means.
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@marczellm if you click it, does it eventually run Office (badly)?
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Office?:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF Office?:
a couple of the free/open source "office" programs, and to the surprise of exactly no one, they are shit.
I've used both OpenOffice and LibreOffice. They're good enough for my purposes.
To be fair, Open/Libre Office are .... OK .... (for certain values of "usable").
But, the latest versions are not better or more capable than my 20 year old version of MS Office. And that's just sad.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF Office?:
And that's just sad.
Isn't it? Just goes to show there really isn't all that much innovation to be had for such things...
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@Tsaukpaetra On the other hand, there might be, but not breaking the idiotic and unwieldy designs everyone has been conditioned to accept as the perfectly normal way of doing things also matters.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Office?:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Office?:
not breaking
Now that's an innovative idea!
It'll never happen...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Office?:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF Office?:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Office?:
not breaking
Now that's an innovative idea!
It'll never happen...
Not while you're around, at least!
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Teams' transcription feature is pretty neat. Unless you get a presenter with a strong German accent and it can't make up its mind about which language to recognize
Des Fischer Plans will be created von the last commit of the Main branches.
Weil awaking working on your feature plantsch bei Erding Comics letztes Jugend People change the Main branches will bei Erding morgen Comics.
Ein letztes Human seit Disco mit shef changes on the same line.
Na, what happens when you want to match the feature branch back to the main brunch?
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF Office?:
But, the latest versions are not better or more capable than my 20 year old version of MS Office. And that's just sad.
To be less unfair, you could say much the same thing about the latest versions of Microsoft Office as well, especially for the core functionality that most users stick to. They are for sure better in all those respects than Word for DOS, for example, but that's not actually saying much.
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@LaoC said in WTF Office?:
Teams' transcription feature is pretty neat. Unless you get a presenter with a strong German accent and it can't make up its mind about which language to recognize
If they're from southern Bavaria, that's understandable. Other Germans can't understand them either. (Also, if they're from Berlin then nobody wants to understand them.)
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@dkf And let's add some fun to Germany's eastern neighbors. I heard some Sorbian language (spoken in some parts of east germany), and I thought what a terrible extreme German accent that guy had when speaking Polish (e.g. aspirated
ptk
, closed vowels depending on syllable context)...
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One of the things that drives me nuts every time using Office, to the point of wanting to punch everyone at MS in the face, is how it seems to anchor formatting at line/paragraph endings.
You copy a line of text and it copies the formatting, you copy the same line without the virtual space at the end (by manually shift-left-ing) which seems to represent the line break even though you only selected to the end of the line and not the beginning of the next, and then it doesnāt paste the formatting. Look, if I wanted to include the line break, Iād shift-down.
This wreaks all kinds of havoc when dealing with bulleted lists, etc. Delete (or cut) some text, it completely fucks up the surrounding text and formatting. What the hell?Also, 50% of the time, the supposedly-handy feature to paste text only without formatting doesnāt fucking work. Itās 2023 and I still copy things into notepad (alikes) first to get rid of formatting, even though thereās a feature to do exactly that.
Not quite sure, but I think LO behaves the same, just because they want to be ācompatibleā.
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@topspin said in WTF Office?:
Itās 2023 and I still copy things into notepad (alikes) first to get rid of formatting, even though thereās a feature to do exactly that.
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@topspin said in WTF Office?:
how it seems to anchor formatting at line/paragraph endings.
It seems to do that because it does do that. Well, for paragraph-level formatting(1). Turn on the option to show paragraph markers and you'll be able to see the [REDACTED] things and know easily whether you've selected one (or more) of them.
(1) Character-level formatting (bold, superscript, font, etc.) is stored on the characters themselves, more or less.
@topspin said in WTF Office?:
Look, if I wanted to include the line break, Iād shift-down.
I wouldn't, because, as a universal rule, that causes problems when you start half-way along the line (because shift-down will select the second half of this line and the first half of the line below.
@topspin said in WTF Office?:
This wreaks all kinds of havoc when dealing with bulleted lists, etc. Delete (or cut) some text, it completely fucks up the surrounding text and formatting.
Mostly, it messes those things up only if you fail to bear in mind the paragraph markers. Mostly...