The one where Apple upset Facebook
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@Atazhaia
149 million, dammit. One hundred and forty nine!!(and FWIW, more recent work puts the end Cretaceous at just over 66 Ma, so pterosaurs were undoubtedly kaput at every point describable as “around 65 million years ago”)
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I wish they could both lose!
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@Mason_Wheeler said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
I wish they could both lose!
Why?
Apple are actually doing something that's good for user privacy. Them losing would mean them not doing that.
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Apple's focus on privacy is actually making me consider switching from Android when my contract is up. The main downside being they don't offer anything as midrange as the phones I tend to go for
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@Jaloopa The iPhone SE still to expensive for what you want?
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@Jaloopa said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
The main downside being they don't offer anything as midrange as the phones I tend to go for
The real biggest hassle would be migrating everything to the new platform.
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@dkf said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Jaloopa said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
The main downside being they don't offer anything as midrange as the phones I tend to go for
The real biggest hassle would be migrating everything to the new platform.
There's an app for that. Worked pretty well when I did it a few years ago.
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@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
Apple are actually doing something that's good for user privacy
Yes, but are apps allowed not to work when advertising IDs are blocked?
If they are, this will do fuck all, i.e., cookie warnings, except with more of Apple "look how we care" fanfare and less general annoyance.
If they are booted from Store, well, ok then.
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@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
There's an app for that.
Yes… but is that going to migrate all the third party app data too? I don't see how that'd necessarily be possible.
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@Rhywden said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Jaloopa The iPhone SE still to expensive for what you want?
I just had a look and it seems I could get an SE for a similar price to what I'm paying now, so apparently not
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@Jaloopa said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Rhywden said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Jaloopa The iPhone SE still to expensive for what you want?
I just had a look and it seems I could get an SE for a similar price to what I'm paying now, so apparently not
The current SE is a decent phone. I've got one as a work phone.
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@dkf said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
There's an app for that.
Yes… but is that going to migrate all the third party app data too? I don't see how that'd necessarily be possible.
That's not necessarily going to happen when changing phone even if you stick with Android though.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
Apple are actually doing something that's good for user privacy
Yes, but are apps allowed not to work when advertising IDs are blocked?
If they are, this will do fuck all, i.e., cookie warnings, except with more of Apple "look how we care" fanfare and less general annoyance.
If they are booted from Store, well, ok then.
They're allowed to work but if the user denys the tracking the app doesn't get a valid tracking ID from iOS.
It's also mandatory now to list the details of the data the app gathers on the app store in order to submit new apps or updates to existing apps.
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@loopback0 Is then the real problem that Facebook's slurp details exceed
Int32.max
and therefore cannot fit in the text field intended for it?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@loopback0 Is then the real problem that Facebook's slurp details exceed
Int32.max
and therefore cannot fit in the text field intended for it?Plenty of space...
(I know, something about barriers and fax machines, but still)
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@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
(I know, something about barriers and fax machines, but still)
Huge long lists are a to …
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@loopback0 So it is, effectively, cookie warnings! Lists the length of which guard them well against ever being read. Whether one accept it all or blocks, if one has to or wants to use some app or another that slurps, they're going to.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
Lists the length of which guard them well against ever being read.
A list long enough that you know it's excessive without needing to read it. Users who care can opt out, and like the cookie warnings, users that don't care can blindly accept. The user gets to choose.
@Applied-Mediocrity said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
Whether one accept it all or blocks, if one has to or wants to use some app or another that slurps, they're going to.
Yes, obviously. This allows them to do so with less slurping.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@loopback0 So it is, effectively, cookie warnings! Lists the length of which guard them well against ever being read. Whether one accept it all or blocks, if one has to or wants to use some app or another that slurps, they're going to.
The problem is that for cookie warnings everybody tells you that they sell your data to 274 different 3rd parties, including some Chinese organ harvester and that Eastern European crime organization that would like to know when you leave the house.
For apps, at least now, there are some where this list has a more reasonable length, so it does stick out that the Facebook and Google lists are of the War and Peace variety.
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@topspin said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
For apps, at least now, there are some where this list has a more reasonable length, so it does stick out that the Facebook and Google lists are of the War and Peace variety.
Except that Google still has not updated most of their iOS apps after Apple made the privacy label mandatory for new apps and updates. So, as for now, the length is uncertain.
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@loopback0 I'm on iOS 14.5.1, and the Facebook app hasn't popped that up for me. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think I would have.
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@Steve_The_Cynic Nor me (and the article notes the same) but I don't think I've had the tracking prompt yet either.
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Have you got tracking switched off entirely in the system prefs? AFAIK, if you already had that, then no apps will ask you, for obvious reasons.
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@Gurth Nope, it's set to "Allow Apps to Request to Track"
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@Steve_The_Cynic @loopback0 Facebook knows enough about you to not bother.
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@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Steve_The_Cynic Nor me (and the article notes the same) but I don't think I've had the tracking prompt yet either.
I just got this prompt from Instagram before it popped up the request to track.
There was an Instagram update yesterday which I assume was where it was introduced.
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@Gąska Alternatively it's a staggered rollout to see how much shit gets stirred by that.
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@Deadfast said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Gąska Alternatively it's a staggered rollout to see how much shit gets stirred by that.
It might be that. It asked me last night. I stuck two fingers up at it and told it "no".
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@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Gurth Nope, it's set to "Allow Apps to Request to Track"
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@Gurth said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
Have you got tracking switched off entirely in the system prefs? AFAIK, if you already had that, then no apps will ask you, for obvious reasons.
They probably will, but the system will intercept the question and will, on your behalf, stick two fingers up at them and answer "no".
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@Gurth said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Gurth Nope, it's set to "Allow Apps to Request to Track"
Why not, it's good to know who even asks. The answer will of course be always the same:
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@topspin said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Gurth said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Gurth Nope, it's set to "Allow Apps to Request to Track"
Why not, it's good to know who even asks. The answer will of course be always the same:
This.
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@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
I just got this prompt from Instagram before it popped up the request to track.
I've had it from Facebook now too - guess it's just a gradual rollout.
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@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@loopback0 said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
I just got this prompt from Instagram before it popped up the request to track.
I've had it from Facebook now too - guess it's just a gradual rollout.
Jesus and I thought I was old.
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@Gribnit I had know idea Jesus thought you were old.
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@Zecc said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Gribnit I had know idea Jesus thought you were old.
The more you no
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@Gurth said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
Reminds me of the Anti-DNT apologists (cough Blakey).
First the tracking industry claimed they‘d allow opt out but it’s not technically feasible, then Mozilla introduced DNT, then the industry said “but look, there’s some browsers who set that by default, meaning it obviously isn’t the user’s intention, so we’ll ignore it.” Piece of scum.
First off, why is it okay for tracking to be default but not okay for no tracking to be the default? Second, who says that users didn’t pick a browser they think does whatever it can in their interests so that default actually is the user’s intention. Finally, if my browser sends a do not track header and you track me anyway in a sane world this should clearly be illegal.So while 12% is more than I expected (probably their FUD campaigns are working), it shows what’s long been an open secret. Most users probably don’t care but if given the choice nobody opts in to tracking.
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@topspin said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
... Most users probably don’t care but if given the choice nobody opts in to tracking.
I have opted in to tracking at least once, for a project whose development seemed to need it that somehow I decided to give a shit about.
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@topspin said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
who says that users didn’t pick a browser they think does whatever it can in their interests so that default actually is the user’s intention.
That’s like the Dutch organ donorship awareness campaign. After years of trying to pass a law to make everyone a donor by default, with an opt-out mechanism, that finally came into effect last year. This was accompanied by big media campaign to raise awareness that you should make your choice, and everyone in the country received a form to fill out to say “donor”, “donor for [organs of choice] only”, “not a donor at all” or “it’s up to my next of kin” — and if you don’t return the form or make the choice via a web site, it counts as “donor”. OK, fine, settled.
Right?
Noooo, of course not. Some months ago, a new campaign was launched to urge everyone who hadn’t actually registered a choice, to do so anyway. Why? “Because if you haven’t made your choice clear, your next of kin might not know if you were okay with being a donor, or if you maybe had some doubts after all” … fucking hell …
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@Gurth said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
fucking hell …
Indeed. A world where doctors don't need to ask next of kin to make extremely emotional decisions on no notice is not one I wish to live in.
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@Gribnit Why, do you still need those organs at the point where you’re being considered as a possible donor?
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@Gurth said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
@Gribnit Why, do you still need those organs at the point where you’re being considered as a possible donor?
Consider the case where I'm the next of kin. Aunt K'xlik has just died and I have the choice of consuming her organs per tradition or forcing them to remain in a xenomorphic form through many more cycles.
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@BernieTheBernie said in The one where Apple upset Facebook:
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I am not averse to the idea of taking a pipe to various parts of MetaData.
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@Carnage A metaphorical pipe, or an actual piece of metal with your hand wrapped round one end, and a mess of someone's skull-contents(1) wrapped round the other?
(1) I've carefully avoided the word "brains" here...
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@Steve_The_Cynic Yes.