Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!)
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@jaloopa said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I thought they were worth 3/5 of a life
We don't use your caveman measuring system. That's 0.6 Kilolives, thank you very much.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I just want to point out that this CPU isn't made of meat.
All tastes the same.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The greater Phoenix area, which includes Tempe, plays host to autonomous test programs from Uber, Intel Corp., General Motors Co. and Waymo, the startup that sprung from Google’s self-driving car project.
"Testing your car in a place that's a regulation free shithole" != "Putting your car into production in a live environment without testing".
How much work went into getting the Gaggle Car to the point where it COULD be tested outside of a small area of California?
Now, how much work did Uber put into their car?
Fucking retard iz you.
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@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yet nobody screams just as loud to BAN FUCKING HUMAN AMATEURS FROM DRIVING
I do.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Fucking retard iz you.
Now, be nice to your mother.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yes, I personally can't wait until self-driving cars are perfected (enough) and made mandatory,
That is literally never going to happen. Self-driving cars will never be a realistic practical thing.
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@gordonjcp said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yes, I personally can't wait until self-driving cars are perfected (enough) and made mandatory,
That is literally never going to happen. Self-driving cars will never be a realistic practical thing.
You forgot
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@dangeruss I forgot what?
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
volvo really haven't had anywhere near the testing of their system
Their adaptive cruise is rather good, even from a few years ago, but the vision systems get signs catastrophically wrong sometimes. There's a sign not far from home on a side street (at a funny angle to the main road) that applies a 20 limit which it sometimes picks up despite me not actually turning onto that street, which is bad enough, but occasionally is misreads the sign as 120 and that'd be a terrifying speed to do on that particular road!
So yes, there's some significant bugs in these things.
Yeah, they have driver assist systems that work ok, but the much fanfaired autonomous test driving that they planned to do in gothenburg was only a handful of families that had a slightly more developed set of the same driver assist systems that everyone else got, and then they say that they are going live with tens of thousands of fully autonomous vehicles together with Uber in 2-3 years?
Yeaaaah.. How about no on that time plan?
If the companies that have been working on it, and testing it in real traffic for a decade hasn't gotten it right, I seriously doubt Volvo has some magic juice to sprinkle on their system to make it work in that time frame.
A decade perhaps, maybe a year or two less.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@anotherusername said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft yeah people really need to stop fucking calling it "murder". It's not. At worst it could possibly be manslaughter (yes that's right, I'm agreeing with @lucas1) and that's only if the death is provably due to negligence on Uber's part.
Wouldn't criminal negligence still count as manslaughter, though? I thought murder requires a premeditated intention to kill.
First degree murder is premeditated.
Lesser murder charges still require intent to kill.As @anotherusername has said a death without intent to kill but due to gross negligence is manslaughter.
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@mrl said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
adopt a single standard
LOL
It's okay, we'll all adopt our own single standard!
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Fucking retard iz you.
Now, be nice to your mother.
I know you're everyone's alt, but your my mom's alt too?!?!
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I know you're everyone's alt, but your my mom's alt too?!?!
What about my my mom's alt too?
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I wonder how accidents stats look like when comparing self-driving cars to non-drunk drivers at least 25 years old who've had driver's license for over 5 years. Because that's the benchmark we should use, not the reported average that's significantly inflated by drunk, young and inexperienced drivers.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how accidents stats look like when comparing self-driving cars to non-drunk drivers at least 25 years old who've had driver's license for over 5 years. Because that's the benchmark we should use, not the reported average that's significantly inflated by drunk, young and inexperienced drivers.
I think the hardest part of getting that "good driver" number is figuring out how many perfectly-good-driving miles were done by drunk/inexperienced people who weren't caught.
I suppose you could just say "X person got a DUI once, therefore every mile they drove must have been drunk", but that' just going to skew your numbers in a different direction.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how accidents stats look like when comparing self-driving cars to non-drunk drivers at least 25 years old who've had driver's license for over 5 years. Because that's the benchmark we should use, not the reported average that's significantly inflated by drunk, young and inexperienced drivers.
The thing is, autonomous cars can completely remove the drunks and shitty drivers from the equation so they should be considered as well.
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@potatoengineer said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how accidents stats look like when comparing self-driving cars to non-drunk drivers at least 25 years old who've had driver's license for over 5 years. Because that's the benchmark we should use, not the reported average that's significantly inflated by drunk, young and inexperienced drivers.
I think the hardest part of getting that "good driver" number is figuring out how many perfectly-good-driving miles were done by drunk/inexperienced people who weren't caught.
The accidents-per-capita-per-year is much easier to get than accidents-per-mile and still very useful.
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how accidents stats look like when comparing self-driving cars to non-drunk drivers at least 25 years old who've had driver's license for over 5 years. Because that's the benchmark we should use, not the reported average that's significantly inflated by drunk, young and inexperienced drivers.
The thing is, autonomous cars can completely remove the drunks and shitty drivers from the equation so they should be considered as well.
If I could choose between an autonomous car that performs significantly better than average driver but significantly worse than average good driver, and a regular car with a good driver, I'd pick the driver any day. If I couldn't choose between an autonomous car and a regular car, I'd start a rebellion.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@potatoengineer said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how accidents stats look like when comparing self-driving cars to non-drunk drivers at least 25 years old who've had driver's license for over 5 years. Because that's the benchmark we should use, not the reported average that's significantly inflated by drunk, young and inexperienced drivers.
I think the hardest part of getting that "good driver" number is figuring out how many perfectly-good-driving miles were done by drunk/inexperienced people who weren't caught.
The accidents-per-capita-per-year is much easier to get than accidents-per-mile and still very useful.
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how accidents stats look like when comparing self-driving cars to non-drunk drivers at least 25 years old who've had driver's license for over 5 years. Because that's the benchmark we should use, not the reported average that's significantly inflated by drunk, young and inexperienced drivers.
The thing is, autonomous cars can completely remove the drunks and shitty drivers from the equation so they should be considered as well.
If I could choose between an autonomous car that performs significantly better than average driver but significantly worse than average good driver, and a regular car with a good driver, I'd pick the driver any day. If I couldn't choose between an autonomous car and a regular car, I'd start a rebellion.
Yes, and if you could choose between having dui drivers or the same people in autonomous transits, which would you pick?
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@carnage if I could choose that, it means I'm a dictator and wouldn't care one way or the other because I have a personal helicopter. I was talking about a single, personal, everyday choice between calling a cab and calling an autocab.
Also, there are other ways to eliminate DUI - namely, breathalyzer-immobilizer.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage if I could choose that, it means I'm a dictator and wouldn't care one way or the other because I have a personal helicopter. I was talking about a single, personal, everyday choice between calling a cab and calling an autocab.
Yeah, that's probably going to end up being a real thing once autonomous vehicles are a thing. People that gets DUIs will not be able to get a driving license, since they can go bu autonomous transit instead. And I wager that the requirements for getting a driving license will be significantly higher than they are now, pretty much eliminating the shitty drivers from the driving pool together with the drunks and junkies.
Autonomous vehicles will also have a different failstate from meatsack vehicles, and a different operating footprint. For a vast majority of situations they will be superior to meatsacks, and will not crash but meatsacks will. On the other hand, when they do fail, they will fail spectacularly and ram obstacles at full speed in a far greater number than meatsacks, whereas meatsacks will slam the brakes or swerve or do a number of insufficient things to avoid the inevitable.
That said, I do think that autonomous vehicles must be far superior to meatsacks in pretty much every aspect before they will be let loose. It's not a very high bar to surpass, really.
Breathalizers are shit, and do not work. They also do not prevent people hopped up on anything else than alcohol and even alcohol isn't particluarly good.
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@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And I wager that the requirements for getting a driving license will be significantly higher than they are now, pretty much eliminating the shitty drivers from the driving pool together with the drunks and junkies.
Requirements in Poland are infinitely higher than in all states of USA combined and we still have shitload of bad and drunk drivers. When the necessity of driving a car is gone, they'll stop driving on their own accord - we don't need to sacrifice any more civil rights for that.
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
That said, I do think that autonomous vehicles must be far superior to meatsacks in pretty much every aspect before they will be let loose. It's not a very high bar to surpass, really.
We don't know how high the bar is because we don't have stats on that. We're using a wrong benchmark.
Also, there's one thing to remember: with test cars, no one cares about price. When they become mass produced, price will become an issue - the first autonomous cars are obviously going to be very expensive (like electric cars when they first appeared) and out of reach for majority of population. After a few years, they're of course going to figure out how to lower production cost and thus price, but there will come a moment where, in order to compete in middle class (and especially lower class), they will have to lower quality of car. I imagine a good amount can be saved by using lower grade sensors and cameras - the question is, how much it'll impact safety, and how far are automotive companies and governments going to sacrifice safety for availability. Because let's be honest - it won't be common people who'll decide that.
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Breathalizers are shit, and do not work. They also do not prevent people hopped up on anything else than alcohol and even alcohol isn't particluarly good.
I wonder how much better they'd get if we've thrown even half as much cash at them as we've thrown at self-driving cars.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
When the necessity of driving a car is gone, they'll stop driving on their own accord
But only after Honda implements that technology.
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@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I would guess that her attention was entirely directed at a smartphone, instead of the heavy metal objects hurtling past as she stepped into the street.
Actually, I heard that she was walking a bicycle. Doesn't change the result.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Now, how much work did Uber put into their car?
Ah, it occurs to me that they already stole google's code and stuff at some point so it's not like they were starting from scratch.
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@slavdude said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I would guess that her attention was entirely directed at a smartphone, instead of the heavy metal objects hurtling past as she stepped into the street.
Actually, I heard that she was walking a bicycle.
One doesn't preclude the other. I've seen many people riding bicycle and texting. And a few that rode a bicycle and texted with both hands. Compared to that, texting and walking a bike is... a walk in the park. #sorrynotsorry
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Uh, guys, has anyone already mentioned that the investigation currently points to: "There's not much anyone or anything could have done in this case because you can't stop on a dime?"
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@rhywden yeah, so what?
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@gąska Just checking.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I imagine a good amount can be saved by using lower grade sensors and cameras - the question is, how much it'll impact safety, and how far are automotive companies and governments going to sacrifice safety for availability. Because let's be honest - it won't be common people who'll decide that.
I imagine it will largely be decided by insurance companies (who can easily refuse to insure an autonomous car that's not up-to-scratch) - and they have quite strong incentives not to have cars crashing...
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Requirements in Poland are infinitely higher than in all states of USA combined and we still have shitload of bad and drunk drivers. When the necessity of driving a car is gone, they'll stop driving on their own accord - we don't need to sacrifice any more civil rights for that.
In sweden, they are reportedly even higher than in poland, and we have a lot of shitty drivers, and a fair bit of drunk drivers.
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how much better they'd get if we've thrown even half as much cash at them as we've thrown at self-driving cars.
Slightly better at least. They've existed for decades now, and are still pretty much shit. And even if we threw billions at them for development, they'd still never start catching junkies that haven't had any alcohol.
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@japonicus said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I imagine a good amount can be saved by using lower grade sensors and cameras - the question is, how much it'll impact safety, and how far are automotive companies and governments going to sacrifice safety for availability. Because let's be honest - it won't be common people who'll decide that.
I imagine it will largely be decided by insurance companies (who can easily refuse to insure an autonomous car that's not up-to-scratch) - and they have quite strong incentives not to have cars crashing...
They care about payouts, not human lives. They're calculating the risk, not avoiding it.
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Requirements in Poland are infinitely higher than in all states of USA combined and we still have shitload of bad and drunk drivers. When the necessity of driving a car is gone, they'll stop driving on their own accord - we don't need to sacrifice any more civil rights for that.
In sweden, they are reportedly even higher than in poland, and we have a lot of shitty drivers, and a fair bit of drunk drivers.
So you understand that hard exams achieve nothing.
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I wonder how much better they'd get if we've thrown even half as much cash at them as we've thrown at self-driving cars.
Slightly better at least. They've existed for decades now, and are still pretty much shit. And even if we threw billions at them for development, they'd still never start catching junkies that haven't had any alcohol.
How many accidents are caused by junkies?
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
So you understand that hard exams achieve nothing.
They do. The filter out the utter shit. There are people in sweden that simply can't get a driving license because they suck too bad.
And if the level goes up from the abhorrently low skill levels required today, they will filter out more.How many accidents are caused by junkies?
I can't remember the statistics now, but they are about on par with the alcoholics in sweden I think.. My memory is shit though, but it's not insignificant at least.
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@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And if the level goes up from the abhorrently low skill levels required today
Hang on for a moment. Didn't you just said that Swedish exams are harder than Polish? Polish ones require insanely high level of traffic law knowledge and near-perfect city driving skills. If you call Swedish standards abhorrently low, what will you call this? What's your opinion of people who need 3, 4, even 5 takes to pass it (a VERY common occurence even among fairly good drivers)?
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And if the level goes up from the abhorrently low skill levels required today
Hang on for a moment. Didn't you just said that Swedish exams are harder than Polish? Polish ones require insanely high level of traffic law knowledge and near-perfect city driving skills. If you call Swedish standards abhorrently low, what will you call this? What's your opinion of people who need 3, 4, even 5 takes to pass it (a VERY common occurence even among fairly good drivers)?
I just go by what a former polish coworker told me about the polish tests. I've never taken them.
I think the skill level required is abhorrently low to be allowed to pilot two tons of metal at speeds of 120 km/h legally, but the vehicles are capable of an excess of 250 km/h...
I've done a lot of driving training post getting my driving license and I have a racing license, and I can definately tell you that the skillset required is shit. That people fail the tests just mean that they did not properly train for them.And I took a bit of time to dig up the statistics of drugs vs alcohol in sweden, and my memory was waaay off, but here is some fancy infographics: (drugs are roughly 1:4 to alcohol in accidents in sweden, disregarding the cases with both drugs and alcohol)
https://www.trafikverket.se/resa-och-trafik/Trafiksakerhet/Din-sakerhet-pa-vagen/Rattfylleri/fakta-om-alkohol-och-narkotika-i-trafiken/
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@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think the skill level required is abhorrently low to be allowed to pilot two tons of metal at speeds of 120 km/h legally
I don't want to waste my time arguing with someone who thinks highways are more dangerous than cities with 50km/h limit, so please tell me: do you realize that highway accidents are a tiny fraction of total accidents overall, and that you can't legally drive 120km/h anywhere else?
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think the skill level required is abhorrently low to be allowed to pilot two tons of metal at speeds of 120 km/h legally
I don't want to waste my time arguing with someone who thinks highways are more dangerous than cities with 50km/h limit, so please tell me: do you realize that highway accidents are a tiny fraction of total accidents overall, and that you can't legally drive 120km/h anywhere else?
Yeah, there is a lot more accidents in other parts of the road network. I never really said anything different. The most common place for accidents that are more than just fender benders, at least in Sweden, happen on 70-80 km/h roads.
I never said anything like highways being more dangerous, but I guess you could have taken my comment like that.Being Sweden, of course there is a lit of publicly available statistics: https://www.trafa.se/en/road-traffic/road-traffic-injuries/
has the statistics sliced in every which way one could ever wish for. The outlier with the 50 km/h road network is that a lot more pedestrians are hit in that particular segment, but otherwise, it's a fairly low accident range. Highways are lower of course.Edited because I found the4 english statistics page. :D
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think the skill level required is abhorrently low to be allowed to pilot two tons of metal at speeds of 120 km/h legally
I don't want to waste my time arguing with someone who thinks highways are more dangerous than cities with 50km/h limit, so please tell me: do you realize that highway accidents are a tiny fraction of total accidents overall, and that you can't legally drive 120km/h anywhere else?
Maybe not the highways but the "normal" roads outside the city are quite dangerous, at least in Germany.
First is "inner city", second is "highways", third is "outside the city (except highways)". Y-axis is "deaths per 1,000 accidents with bodily harm".
X-axis is as before, this time it's "deaths per 1 billion km driven by car".
Reason for that is that those roads have a nominal 100 km/h limit which almost no one seems to uphold. Actual speeds seem more in the 120 km/h range.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Remember how ever responsible company has spent the past decade or so rigorously testing automated cars-- spending MILLIONS of manhours working the AI, the systems, the safety systems? How they field test only under very controlled conditions, and working hand-in-hand with government bodies and regulators to ensure that this emergent technology is as safe as possible, with as much oversight as possible-- not only for the purposes of developing the company, but putting government and citizen fears at ease?
Yeah, we remember all that. Uber, however, is all about DISRUPTION because they're DIFFERENT and are REVOLUTIONIZING
exploiting workers like slaves, putting everyone in every major city at risk, and generally being sociopathic assholes who feel they are above the lawthe industry, yo!o wait no they're fucking asshole murderers
Sooooooo, why are you making a big deal out of this one and I do not recall anything happening when a Tesla vehicle crashed while running on Autopilot and killed someone?
This is not the first time that a self-driving vehicle has killed someone. It will not be the last. You are getting all pissy because you don't like Uber.
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@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think the skill level required is abhorrently low to be allowed to pilot two tons of metal at speeds of 120 km/h legally
I don't want to waste my time arguing with someone who thinks highways are more dangerous than cities with 50km/h limit, so please tell me: do you realize that highway accidents are a tiny fraction of total accidents overall, and that you can't legally drive 120km/h anywhere else?
Yeah, there is a lot more accidents in other parts of the road network. I never really said anything different.
You mentioned 120km/h. I was just checking if you know how irrelevant it was.
Anyway:
I've done a lot of driving training post getting my driving license and I have a racing license, and I can definately tell you that the skillset required is shit.
If race driving is your baseline, then no wonder you consider most of population to be shit. The thing is, you don't need anywhere near race driving level of skill for your daily commute. Most people (at least in Poland) have FWD cars with 80 to 120 horsepower, and most of the time drive several times slower than their tires let them. Just like you don't need PhD in Computer Science to browse Facebook, you don't need great skills to drive non-competitively. The worst thing you need to prepare for is ice in the winter, and an occasional møøse.
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And I took a bit of time to dig up the statistics of drugs vs alcohol in sweden, and my memory was waaay off, but here is some fancy infographics: (drugs are roughly 1:4 to alcohol in accidents in sweden, disregarding the cases with both drugs and alcohol)
That's orders of magnitude more than I expected. But that might be just another cultural difference between Western and Eastern Europe that will eventually vanish, similar to how Poles nowadays drink much, much less vodka and much, much more wine. Over here, hard drugs are very niche, and almost all people over 30 don't even smoke weed. But drunk drivers are very common, and they're of all ages.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yes, I personally can't wait until self-driving cars are perfected (enough) and made mandatory, with "drive your own" a highly specialized license that's as hard to get as a pilot's license. I absolutely want the self-centered, selfish, idiotic, blind-drunk-texting meat-CPUs to stop operating death-projectiles around fragile meat-bags.
That is the authoritarian in you coming out to play.
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
BUT-- that tech isn't ready for prime time yet. Limited and highly controlled tests to gather more data and improve the cars? Sure!
...isn't that what they were doing? There was a person at the wheel. The car was not driving around without a person in it. They were doing what you just said.
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Being a fucking asshole who decides "lol i want to have pr and not pay humans" and then throw a bunch of untested CPU-guided death-missiles onto the street and hoping for the best?
That is not what happened.
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@pie_flavor said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
This is the first ever car crash death from a self-driving car, after they've been on the road for a while.
But it isn't. Tesla had one.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yes. It fucked up in production when it wasn't ready to be in production, and when no self-driving car is ready for production, and when EVERY self-driving car company isn't ready for production, and when every government regulator is saying "uh no" and when the majority of citizen are like "OMFG THESE THINGS WILL KIEL PEOIPLE BECAUSE FEAR!!!".
That didn't happen.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
If race driving is your baseline, then no wonder you consider most of population to be shit. The thing is, you don't need anywhere near race driving level of skill for your daily commute. Most people (at least in Poland) have FWD cars with 80 to 120 horsepower, and most of the time drive several times slower than their tires let them. Just like you don't need PhD in Computer Science to browse Facebook, you don't need great skills to drive non-competitively. The worst thing you need to prepare for is ice in the winter, and an occasional møøse.
Well, I think about 99% of the accident prone behavior I see could be easily remedied if people actually got some technical driving skills, and learned to read the road and conditions. I know that the technical skills required for bumper-to-bumper racing is waaay the fuck out of the necessary for commuting, but I have a 95 km commute in the Stockholm area, and the shit I see driving to work is just silly. Especially the first time there's ice or snow.
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@rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
First is "inner city", second is "highways", third is "outside the city (except highways)". Y-axis is "deaths per 1,000 accidents with bodily harm".
Who the fuck came up with such an obviously bullshit statistic!? If the accident has happened already, of course it's going to be worse at higher speed!
@rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
X-axis is as before, this time it's "deaths per 1 billion km driven by car".
This is much better.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
That's orders of magnitude more than I expected. But that might be just another cultural difference between Western and Eastern Europe that will eventually vanish, similar to how Poles nowadays drink much, much less vodka and much, much more wine. Over here, hard drugs are very niche, and almost all people over 30 don't even smoke weed. But drunk drivers are very common, and they're of all ages.
Well, drugs started flowing freely into this country when we joined the EU, but I'd be slightly surprised if its very different in Poland. Drugs are surprisingly easy to come by in most places if you know where to look for them. That said, I have absolutely no idea about the state of affairs regarding drug use and abuse in Poland, nor the tendency to DUI.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
First is "inner city", second is "highways", third is "outside the city (except highways)". Y-axis is "deaths per 1,000 accidents with bodily harm".
Who the fuck came up with such an obviously bullshit statistic!? If the accident has happened already, of course it's going to be worse at higher speed!
Highways in Germany are much higher speed than mere roads. And yet the accidents on roads are more severe than highway ones.
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@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
If race driving is your baseline, then no wonder you consider most of population to be shit. The thing is, you don't need anywhere near race driving level of skill for your daily commute. Most people (at least in Poland) have FWD cars with 80 to 120 horsepower, and most of the time drive several times slower than their tires let them. Just like you don't need PhD in Computer Science to browse Facebook, you don't need great skills to drive non-competitively. The worst thing you need to prepare for is ice in the winter, and an occasional møøse.
Well, I think about 99% of the accident prone behavior I see could be easily remedied if people actually got some technical driving skills, and learned to read the road and conditions.
Or they could just stop doing stupid shit. Same effect, much less skill involved.
@carnage said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Well, drugs started flowing freely into this country when we joined the EU, but I'd be slightly surprised if its very different in Poland. Drugs are surprisingly easy to come by in most places if you know where to look for them. That said, I have absolutely no idea about the state of affairs regarding drug use and abuse in Poland, nor the tendency to DUI.
It's fairly easy to get if you want, but hardly anybody wants. There's really big social stigma on hard drugs, even among teenagers. Of course there are social groups that don't have much problem with that, just like they don't have problem with robberies, violent assault, thievery and recklessly driving their BMWs and Audis.
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@rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Highways in Germany are much higher speed than mere roads. And yet the accidents on roads are more severe than highway ones.
I remember reading something that the danger of accidents really increases when you have speed differentials between cars, not just speed, and regular roads almost always have stopped cars on them (e.g., at intersections). I'd be really surprised if most road accidents weren't at intersections.
Also, highways are more likely to be divided, so the likelihood of head on collisions should be reduced. And I'd guess that it's more likely to end up going the wrong way on a divided road (e.g., bad left turn) than a highway with on and off ramps.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Highways in Germany are much higher speed than mere roads. And yet the accidents on roads are more severe than highway ones.
I remember reading something that the danger of accidents really increases when you have speed differentials between cars, not just speed, and regular roads almost always have stopped cars on them (e.g., at intersections). I'd be really surprised if most road accidents weren't at intersections.
Majority of cases (about 33%) are actually "driving off the road" accidents. Collisions at crossings are 24%. Rear-enders are 20%.
https://www.adac.de/_mmm/pdf/UFO Abkommen von der Fahrbahn 700 KB_89319.pdf
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Or they could just stop doing stupid shit. Same effect, much less skill involved.
Yeah... I am too much of a misanthrope to ever see people stopping with doing the stupid shit happening.