Things that remind you of WDTWTF members
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@Carnage said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
There are several different spoken languages in China, and they share the written language, so I'd evident the glyphs to have wildly different pronunciations.
And this is where the distinction between language and dialect gets messy. Just how different does a dialect have to be to be a different language? Why do Dutch speak Dutch but Swiss speak German? And can a single person speak multiple dialects at once? "Weasel" has two "e" glyphs. It's a completely different sound each time. When a man from London says "weasel", does he change his dialect midway through the word?
Regardless of all the above - is there any language other than English where you can't even guess at the correct pronunciation of an unfamiliar word? I don't think even French goes that far.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Carnage said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
There are several different spoken languages in China, and they share the written language, so I'd evident the glyphs to have wildly different pronunciations.
And this is where the distinction between language and dialect gets messy. Just how different does a dialect have to be to be a different language? Why do Dutch speak Dutch but Swiss speak German? And can a single person speak multiple dialects at once? "Weasel" has two "e" glyphs. It's a completely different sound each time. When a man from London says "weasel", does he change his dialect midway through the word?
Regardless of all the above - is there any language other than English where you can't even guess at the correct pronunciation of an unfamiliar word? I don't think even French goes that far.
The distinction between dialect and language is political.
The "dialects" of china are different enough that speakers of one wont understand some of the others.
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@Carnage said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Carnage said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
There are several different spoken languages in China, and they share the written language, so I'd evident the glyphs to have wildly different pronunciations.
And this is where the distinction between language and dialect gets messy. Just how different does a dialect have to be to be a different language? Why do Dutch speak Dutch but Swiss speak German? And can a single person speak multiple dialects at once? "Weasel" has two "e" glyphs. It's a completely different sound each time. When a man from London says "weasel", does he change his dialect midway through the word?
Regardless of all the above - is there any language other than English where you can't even guess at the correct pronunciation of an unfamiliar word? I don't think even French goes that far.
The distinction between dialect and language is political.
The "dialects" of china are different enough that speakers of one wont understand some of the others.Since you are aware of all that, it makes your previous post even more bullshit because you know exactly why you're wrong but still posted it.
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@Gąska Whether it's a political distinction, different language, different dialect or what, the point is still that the written Chinese language has completely different pronunciations in Mandarin, Cantonese and other spoken languages in China
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@hungrier whether it's a political distinction, different language, different dialect or what, the point is still that the same person speaking the same dialect will pronounce the same character the same way each time.
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@Gąska What's your point? The same person speaking English will pronounce English words the same
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@hungrier weasel
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Regardless of all the above - is there any language other than English where you can't even guess at the correct pronunciation of an unfamiliar word? I don't think even French goes that far.
The various Sinitic languages. Japanese (katakana). Any other language that doesn't use an alphabet.
Although you can always guess. Just with more or less success. Even in English.
BTW, English does actually follow phonetic rules pretty well. Phonics-based reading instruction is actually one of the more successful programs. Way better than "whole language" crap. Those rules are just more intricate than most languages.
I'll also note that Russian isn't exactly purely phonetic either. The word хорошо has 3 o characters. Each one, in the conventional dialects, is pronounced differently. And if you say them all with the pure o sound, you'll look like a hick from the northern wastes. Plus you have those pesky letters like e vs e. The first is pronounced "ye", the second "yo" and always has the stress. There are technically a pair of dots over that second one But you'd never know from the printed form, because they aren't printed (being just an accent mark of sorts). And getting that wrong can drastically change the meaning (including part of speech and/or tense) of the phrase and word it's in.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I'll also note that Russian isn't exactly purely phonetic either. The word хорошо has 3 o characters. Each one, in the conventional dialects, is pronounced differently. And if you say them all with the pure o sound, you'll look like a hick from the northern wastes. Plus you have those pesky letters like e vs e. The first is pronounced "ye", the second "yo" and always has the stress. There are technically a pair of dots over that second one But you'd never know from the printed form, because they aren't printed (being just an accent mark of sorts). And getting that wrong can drastically change the meaning (including part of speech and/or tense) of the phrase and word it's in.
So basically they were drunk when they came up with all that?
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Carnage said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Carnage said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
There are several different spoken languages in China, and they share the written language, so I'd evident the glyphs to have wildly different pronunciations.
And this is where the distinction between language and dialect gets messy. Just how different does a dialect have to be to be a different language? Why do Dutch speak Dutch but Swiss speak German? And can a single person speak multiple dialects at once? "Weasel" has two "e" glyphs. It's a completely different sound each time. When a man from London says "weasel", does he change his dialect midway through the word?
Regardless of all the above - is there any language other than English where you can't even guess at the correct pronunciation of an unfamiliar word? I don't think even French goes that far.
The distinction between dialect and language is political.
The "dialects" of china are different enough that speakers of one wont understand some of the others.Since you are aware of all that, it makes your previous post even more bullshit because you know exactly why you're wrong but still posted it.
Written chinese is still pronounced wildly different, regardless of if it's a dialect or different language. I don't quite see how what I said is bullshit, but I can't be arsed to go off on a stupid tangent about it.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Japanese (katakana).
ITYM kanji
Also in Russian, in some cases you pronounce 'g' as 'v'
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@Carnage said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
but I can't be arsed to go off on a stupid tangent about it.
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@hungrier said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Japanese (katakana).
ITYM kanji
Also in Russian, in some cases you pronounce 'g' as 'v'
Derp. I always forget which is which. I know all three names (kanji, katakana, hiragana), but apply them incorrectly.
And yes. The ending 'oгo' is pronounced 'əvə', such as in каждого. Despite the official pronounciation being 'ogo'
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
BTW, English does actually follow phonetic rules pretty well. Phonics-based reading instruction is actually one of the more successful programs.
I consider myself fortunate to have grown up in a time/place/school/parents where whole-language BS was not popular. Phonics plus a smattering of foreign language knowledge and the ability to recognize the root from which the English word was
stolenborrowed goes a long way in getting the pronunciation right on the first try, most of the time.The biggest problem is made-up words, like drug names. One of the medications I take is called tamsulosin. Is that tam-SUE-loh-sin or tam-suh-LOH-sin? The patient information pamphlet says it's #1, but doctors and nurses look puzzled, then say, "Oh, you mean #2?"
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@hungrier said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Also in Russian, in some cases you pronounce 'g' as 'v'
Or h, if you're Southern.
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@Applied-Mediocrity don't forget the silent я in яйцо.
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
One of the medications I take is called tamsulosin. Is that tam-SUE-loh-sin or tam-suh-LOH-sin? The patient information pamphlet says it's #1, but doctors and nurses look puzzled, then say, "Oh, you mean #2?"
Because it's correctly exactly both. As a lay word, it follows standard intonation patterns. But as an enzymeything it gets emphasized as such. My advice is to try the new Necco wafers. They're incredible.
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@boomzilla yes. What?
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Is that tam-SUE-loh-sin or tam-suh-LOH-sin?
Obviously tam-SUH-loh-sin.
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
The biggest problem is made-up words, like drug names. One of the medications I take is called tamsulosin. Is that tam-SUE-loh-sin or tam-suh-LOH-sin? The patient information pamphlet says it's #1, but doctors and nurses look puzzled, then say, "Oh, you mean #2?"
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
The biggest problem is made-up words, like drug names.
But again, that's also only a problem in English.
- Generate a random string of (vowel, consonant) pairs. Join them into one word.
- Find two native speakers of the same language.
- Tell them to pronounce that word as if it was in said native language.
You'll always get at least 99% match, with the only exception of English in which case you'll be lucky to get 50%.
Edit: the other exception is when one person is from Berlin/Beijing and the other is from Zürich/Hong Kong but we already covered that.
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@topspin said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Swiss speak German
:zwj:
It's not like the Germans can agree on wtf they're speaking either:
Edit: TIL: https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauchdeutsch.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it also epically fails to produce a pronunciation that even sounds a smidge like what it looks like it should.,.
Really? Because to me the generated pronunciation sounds exactly like what I expected.
Now that I'm slightly more conscious, I can hear that it's merely spelling it out.
That's how pronunciation works in every language that isn't English.
Chinese
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
Pictographic languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
Ancient Egyptian
You sure?
Hieroglyphic (i.e. pictographic) languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
sign...
I don't think pronunciation works there at all.
Exactly.
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@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it also epically fails to produce a pronunciation that even sounds a smidge like what it looks like it should.,.
Really? Because to me the generated pronunciation sounds exactly like what I expected.
Now that I'm slightly more conscious, I can hear that it's merely spelling it out.
That's how pronunciation works in every language that isn't English.
Chinese
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
Pictographic languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
Not entirely true from what I can tell from quick googling, at least for Chinese (but true for Japanese).
Ancient Egyptian
You sure?
Hieroglyphic (i.e. pictographic) languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
You sure?
sign...
I don't think pronunciation works there at all.
Exactly.
And that counters my point about English having uniquely messed up pronunciation how?
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
(but true for Japanese).
Only half-true for Japanese. Katakana and hiragana do have direct glyph-to-sound associations (with a few exceptions, IIRC).
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@Zerosquare by the number of characters I'd say closer to 95% true.
But thank you for helping me disprove @djls45's point.
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@cvi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Edit: TIL: https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauchdeutsch.
I have spent 10 minutes trying to read that. I have understood 90% of it, and now have a severe headache.
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@topspin 30 seconds for 10% with no headache.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
The biggest problem is made-up words, like drug names. One of the medications I take is called tamsulosin. Is that tam-SUE-loh-sin or tam-suh-LOH-sin? The patient information pamphlet says it's #1, but doctors and nurses look puzzled, then say, "Oh, you mean #2?"
It's kinda important to distinguish between diuretics and laxatives.
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@LaoC said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
The biggest problem is made-up words, like drug names. One of the medications I take is called tamsulosin. Is that tam-SUE-loh-sin or tam-suh-LOH-sin? The patient information pamphlet says it's #1, but doctors and nurses look puzzled, then say, "Oh, you mean #2?"
It's kinda important to distinguish between diuretics and laxatives.
It's a dry topic, but failing to distinguish can lead to crappy results.
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@topspin said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@cvi said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Edit: TIL: https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauchdeutsch.
I have spent 10 minutes trying to read that. I have understood 90% of it, and now have a severe headache.
I hent emol mit ene Frau usm Allgäu zammigsii. Chuni shu läse!
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
the point is still that the same person speaking the same dialect will pronounce the same character the same way each time.
I do not do this.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@LaoC said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
The biggest problem is made-up words, like drug names. One of the medications I take is called tamsulosin. Is that tam-SUE-loh-sin or tam-suh-LOH-sin? The patient information pamphlet says it's #1, but doctors and nurses look puzzled, then say, "Oh, you mean #2?"
It's kinda important to distinguish between diuretics and laxatives.
It's a dry topic, but failing to distinguish can lead to crappy results.
Shit posting thread is
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@boomzilla
Us: Every day.
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@boomzilla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
The best part of that quote is it goes on with the teacher asking Butthead if he was listening to a single word the teacher said.
And Butthead said, "Yeah. Anus."
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https://youtu.be/UxOfDguNTXU?t=150In case the link/onebox borks up, I mean the fragment between 2:30-2:50.See below.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
https://youtu.be/UxOfDguNTXU?t=150
In case the link/onebox borks up, I mean the fragment between 2:30-2:50.
Unfortunately, the part just after that is bad advice. Factually explaining how your previous boss was an asshole won't get you the job, either. You're supposed to lie.
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Holy fuck he deleted the part I was referring to. You can actually do that on YT? And there isn't any indication either, just an awkward cut that may have as well been done before upload.
As a proof, here's a screenshot from a tab I kept open. Note the timestamp and the total length of video (11 seconds longer than now).
Deleted scene transcript:
He knew this, and he was just looking to push my buttons. I just wasn't having it so I took off my jersey and took off my lanyard and put them down, I went home and I never came back. I do believe that was 100% justified. Fuck that manager, fuck that company, and again at this point they are bankrupt so haha!
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@Gąska Probably got flagged as a community standards violation, or some such BS.
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Yup, probably. YouTube is really cracking down on anything that's not
familyadvertising-friendly lately.
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@Zerosquare and telling exploitative employers to go fuck themselves is VERY advertising-unfriendly.
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@loopback0 they should be ashamed of making the black test overlap with the black graphic.