Things that remind you of WDTWTF members
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@loopback0 they should be ashamed of making the black test overlap with the black graphic.
And black on dark green isn't exactly high contrast.
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@Benjamin-Hall that just gives you an excuse to stare at the chest for longer.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Benjamin-Hall that just gives you an excuse to stare at the chest for longer.
My experience is that people who would openly wear something like that don't have chests (or rest of body) I'd prefer to stare at.
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@Benjamin-Hall fair point. For some reason girls wearing message-shirts are always flat boards.
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That's to make the message easier to read, obviously.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@loopback0 they should be ashamed of making the black test overlap with the black graphic.
And black on dark green isn't exactly high contrast.
How about navy?
It's a standard set of colours for each design, some of which work better with some designs than others.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it also epically fails to produce a pronunciation that even sounds a smidge like what it looks like it should.,.
Really? Because to me the generated pronunciation sounds exactly like what I expected.
Now that I'm slightly more conscious, I can hear that it's merely spelling it out.
That's how pronunciation works in every language that isn't English.
Chinese
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
Pictographic languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
Not entirely true from what I can tell from quick googling, at least for Chinese (but true for Japanese).
You can't take similar-looking Chinese characters (or Japanese Kanji) and try to pronounce them the same way.
Ancient Egyptian
You sure?
Hieroglyphic (i.e. pictographic) languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
You sure?
Actually, no I'm not. But do you have something that indicates otherwise?
sign...
I don't think pronunciation works there at all.
Exactly.
And that counters my point about English having uniquely messed up pronunciation how?
It doesn't. It does counter your point that every other language can be easily pronounced just by looking at the
lettersglyphs.
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@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it also epically fails to produce a pronunciation that even sounds a smidge like what it looks like it should.,.
Really? Because to me the generated pronunciation sounds exactly like what I expected.
Now that I'm slightly more conscious, I can hear that it's merely spelling it out.
That's how pronunciation works in every language that isn't English.
Chinese
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
Pictographic languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
Not entirely true from what I can tell from quick googling, at least for Chinese (but true for Japanese).
You can't take similar-looking Chinese characters (or Japanese Kanji) and try to pronounce them the same way.
Quora disagrees. 有邊念邊, 沒邊念中間, 沒有中間自己編 and shit.
Ancient Egyptian
You sure?
Hieroglyphic (i.e. pictographic) languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
You sure?
Actually, no I'm not.
Thank you that you clarified that. I was beginning to think you're a time traveler or something.
sign...
I don't think pronunciation works there at all.
Exactly.
And that counters my point about English having uniquely messed up pronunciation how?
It doesn't. It does counter your point that every other language can be easily pronounced just by looking at the
lettersglyphs.If you're going to be that ic about it, then I have no choice but to point out it's very easy to guess the pronunciation of any symbol in any sign language on Earth.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
In case the link/onebox borks up
You have to use the embed format with start and end parameters:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/{video ID}?start={start time in seconds}&end={end time in seconds}
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@djls45 you didn't see below. (I used
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to disable oneboxing so people don't comment on the video itself anymore.)
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@Zerosquare said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
https://youtu.be/UxOfDguNTXU?t=150
In case the link/onebox borks up, I mean the fragment between 2:30-2:50.
Unfortunately, the part just after that is bad advice. Factually explaining how your previous boss was an asshole won't get you the job, either. You're supposed to lie.
So now you're building a reputation for being too vague (with the associated high possibility of being overly sensitive) and a liar?
(Though, to be fair, those who are too vague with theiraccusationsdescriptions of events often tend to be liars anyways.)
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@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Zerosquare said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
https://youtu.be/UxOfDguNTXU?t=150
In case the link/onebox borks up, I mean the fragment between 2:30-2:50.
Unfortunately, the part just after that is bad advice. Factually explaining how your previous boss was an asshole won't get you the job, either. You're supposed to lie.
So now you're building a reputation for being too vague (with the associated high possibility of being overly sensitive) and a liar?
Um... what? Aren't ALL job candidates not just assumed but expected to be overly sensitive and lying? The same way it's not a problem that all job postings are pure bullshit (including salary ranges, which, when disclosed, are inaccurate by design)?
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it also epically fails to produce a pronunciation that even sounds a smidge like what it looks like it should.,.
Really? Because to me the generated pronunciation sounds exactly like what I expected.
Now that I'm slightly more conscious, I can hear that it's merely spelling it out.
That's how pronunciation works in every language that isn't English.
Chinese
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
Pictographic languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
Not entirely true from what I can tell from quick googling, at least for Chinese (but true for Japanese).
You can't take similar-looking Chinese characters (or Japanese Kanji) and try to pronounce them the same way.
Quora disagrees. 有邊念邊, 沒邊念中間, 沒有中間自己編 and shit.
Nope. They describe using supplemental information (in the form of more common word-glyphs) to guess at the proper pronunciation. Pronunciation per glyph is not well-defined.
sign...
I don't think pronunciation works there at all.
Exactly.
And that counters my point about English having uniquely messed up pronunciation how?
It doesn't. It does counter your point that every other language can be easily pronounced just by looking at the
lettersglyphs.If you're going to be that ic about it, then I have no choice but to point out it's very easy to guess the pronunciation of any symbol in any sign language on Earth.
Yeah. Silence.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 you didn't see below. (I used
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to disable oneboxing so people don't comment on the video itself anymore.)I did see it, and you'll notice that I didn't comment on the video. I was just trying to be helpful. :)
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@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it also epically fails to produce a pronunciation that even sounds a smidge like what it looks like it should.,.
Really? Because to me the generated pronunciation sounds exactly like what I expected.
Now that I'm slightly more conscious, I can hear that it's merely spelling it out.
That's how pronunciation works in every language that isn't English.
Chinese
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
Pictographic languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
Not entirely true from what I can tell from quick googling, at least for Chinese (but true for Japanese).
You can't take similar-looking Chinese characters (or Japanese Kanji) and try to pronounce them the same way.
Quora disagrees. 有邊念邊, 沒邊念中間, 沒有中間自己編 and shit.
Nope. They describe using supplemental information (in the form of more common word-glyphs) to guess at the proper pronunciation. Pronunciation per glyph is not well-defined.
You claimed there's no sound-to-glyph association of any kind. Your claim is simply false. Just accept it like a man.
sign...
I don't think pronunciation works there at all.
Exactly.
And that counters my point about English having uniquely messed up pronunciation how?
It doesn't. It does counter your point that every other language can be easily pronounced just by looking at the
lettersglyphs.If you're going to be that ic about it, then I have no choice but to point out it's very easy to guess the pronunciation of any symbol in any sign language on Earth.
Yeah. Silence.
Exactly. If you're gonna , I'm gonna . It's much easier to learn ASL pronunciation than American English pronunciation. Trivially easy (in mathematical sense).
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@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I was just trying to be helpful.
Is this a help thread? No, it is not. Did he ask for help? No, he did not. Don't help when it's not wanted.
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@HardwareGeek your kermits gave me a very evil idea of :meatspin: emoji.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@HardwareGeek your kermits gave me a very evil idea of :meatspin: emoji.
I'm rather surprised nobody has made :boobspin: a thing. Or maybe it is a thing and double standards means it's not hated like meatspin is...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Or maybe it is a thing and double standards means it's not hated like meatspin is...
This. Also, not being hosted on a site that pretends to be about Warhammer 40k and uses JS to prevent closing the window.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Or maybe it is a thing and double standards means it's not hated like meatspin is...
This. Also, not being hosted on a site that pretends to be about Warhammer 40k and uses JS to prevent closing the window.
Does something like that still work in this day and age? Sounds like late 90s pranks.
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@topspin said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Or maybe it is a thing and double standards means it's not hated like meatspin is...
This. Also, not being hosted on a site that pretends to be about Warhammer 40k and uses JS to prevent closing the window.
Does something like that still work in this day and age?
Not since Chrome added "prevent additional popups" in 2009. But it still worked in IE7 and FF3.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it still worked in IE7 and FF3.
@Zenith's going to be so glad when he finally upgrades
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@dcon I quit reading at the third phrase.
I guess @HardwareGeek fainted.
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@cabrito It's been posted before, specifically to annoy me. I just gave the poster a and moved on.
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Goddammit @fbmac!
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
Goddammit @fbmac!
What we have here? An anti-@Tsaukpaetra ?
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@cabrito said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
anti-@Tsaukpaetra
Lousy alcoholic with anger management issues, who will hate and downvote the fuck out of you?
Hey, isn't it @DogsB?
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@Zerosquare said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
(but true for Japanese).
Only half-true for Japanese. Katakana and hiragana do have direct glyph-to-sound associations (with a few exceptions, IIRC).
Thing is, they're the ones that are not pictographic.
However, Logogram is the more precise term for wring systems like hanzi or kanji, and:All known logographies have some phonetic component, generally based on the rebus principle.
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@loopback0 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
"But it still worked in IE7 and FF3."@Zenith's going to be so glad when he finally upgrades
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@HardwareGeek said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@cabrito It's been posted before, specifically to annoy me. I just gave the poster a and moved on.
Just admit it, you love the attention. Irregardless of what you say.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@boomzilla said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I can't wait!
They say there is a strength to endure everything.
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@Zerosquare said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
That would be even funnier if he was holding a tray of Jiffy-Pop. (We used to pop that over a campfire - have to be careful tho - very easy to burn...)
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I can't wait!
Don't work in a diner then.
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@Benjamin-Hall "Quite easily, I work for a living."
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@Arantor said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Benjamin-Hall "Quite easily, I work for a living."
"Those" people have no concept of what that 4 letter word is or what it means.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
But it also epically fails to produce a pronunciation that even sounds a smidge like what it looks like it should.,.
Really? Because to me the generated pronunciation sounds exactly like what I expected.
Now that I'm slightly more conscious, I can hear that it's merely spelling it out.
That's how pronunciation works in every language that isn't English.
Chinese
I don't know Chinese but I'm pretty sure every glyph is always pronounced the same (or very close).
Pictographic languages do not have any kind of sound-to-glyph association.
Not entirely true from what I can tell from quick googling, at least for Chinese (but true for Japanese).
You can't take similar-looking Chinese characters (or Japanese Kanji) and try to pronounce them the same way.
Quora disagrees. 有邊念邊, 沒邊念中間, 沒有中間自己編 and shit.
Nope. They describe using supplemental information (in the form of more common word-glyphs) to guess at the proper pronunciation. Pronunciation per glyph is not well-defined.
You claimed there's no sound-to-glyph association of any kind.
Each glyph does not have a particular sound, because instead, each glyph stands for a whole word, which could be pronounced multiple different ways depending on dialect or even spoken language – Japanese Kanji uses many of the same glyphs as Chinese, but the pronunciation is different, meaning that there is not a sound-to-glyph association.
Yes, there may be such an association if you restrict yourself to one particular dialect of one particular language, but that's not what the discussion was about:
The Latin letters have generally the same or very similar sounds across most of the languages and dialects that use them, which is why learning spelling via phonetics is so useful and successful. English is weird and difficult on this because it takes pronunciation rules from multiple languages, so in order to spell a word correctly in English, you may have to know which rules to follow. But even if you fail to spell a word correctly, the word is still generally recognizable via phonetic pronunciation of the letters.
Contrastingly, you cannot learn Chinese "spelling" via phonetics.Your claim is simply false.
No, it might be false, depending on one's interpretation of the statement, its nuances, its context, and the author's (my) intentions.
Just accept it like a man.
No, don't wanna!
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@LaoC said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
However, Logogram is the more precise term for wring systems like hanzi or kanji,
Ah, TILOWR.
and:
All known logographies have some phonetic component, generally based on the rebus principle.
That's not quite correct. They started out with some phonetic component, but as the written and spoken languages changed, they diverged such that the "phonetic component" rarely (if ever) any longer applies.
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@djls45 said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
depending on dialect or even spoken language
I refuse to read the rest of your post because of this part. I thought I explained in sufficient detail why talking about different dialects - and especially different languages - is missing the point.
Case in point: И. Is there a particular sound for it? Isn't there? Why yes, why no? Why yes for И but no for 妈?
EOT from my side, unless you have a really good answer for the above (ie. one that doesn't conclude "there's no sound-to-glyph association in Cyrillic either") - but if you do please post it as a new topic as to not upset any more people with unfunny bickering. But I doubt you do, given what you said so far.
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@Gąska easy Colonel. We know that these are trying times in the industry. But we must not appear nekulturny.
Already is such hurtful stereotype, as with is fighting bears while drunk on vodka... I only do once!
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I'm not reading that post either.
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@Gąska said in Things that remind you of WDTWTF members:
I'm not reading that post either.
He'll crack eventually. Maybe iterativelypossibly recursively
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I won't.
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@Gąska At least you're 100% on topic, this very much reminds me of WTDWTF members.