Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@dkf honestly, might as well.
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Online vs in person results for our school district:
https://www.fcps.edu/enroll2020
Students
As of July 15 at 11:59 p.m., responses for 189,000 students:
- In-person: 112,712 (60%) (includes 31,289 who did not respond and by default were given the in-person option).
- Online: 76,288 (40%)
Teachers and School Based Technology Specialists (SBTS)
As of July 15 at 11:59 p.m. responses for 14,505 staff members:
- In-person: 6,946 (48%) (includes 1,093 who did not respond and by default were given the in-person option).
- Online: 7,456 (52%)
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
In-person: 6,946 (48%) (includes 1,093 who did not respond and by default were given the in-person option)
The real numbers are
In Person: 5,853 (40%)
No response: 1,093 (8%)
Online: 7,456 (52%)Also, were parents polled? That seems like it would be a more relevant number.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear yes, they sent the requests to parents of students, so the parents should have been involved in this. They also announced that you would get in person if you didn't respond so it's impossible to know how many decided not to respond because they knew they'd be getting the option they wanted.
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Ok, now I clicked on your link.
Your post looks like it's two preference surveys, not actually the kids getting enrolled in school.
The staff one still looks like a survey. Is there any word on how they plan to handle the discrepancy between how many students versus teachers will be in school?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear it was more than a preference survey since what you chose determines what your kid gets. I have no idea how they're dealing with staff. They pushed the start of school back two weeks from its original start date to September 8th in order to give them more time to figure it all out and getting these numbers was part of it. Since you could respond by mail I'm sure they've only just gotten the final numbers and haven't had much time to act on them yet.
Some of it depends on which age groups. You probably can't substitute a Kindergarten teacher for a High School teacher. I don't envy them this planning task but I'm glad that they didn't throw up their hands and go all in for online only like so many places have.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't envy them this planning task but I'm glad that they didn't throw up their hands and go all in for online only like so many places have
Yeah, in my region the rule is "Fuck it, back to zoom."
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
You probably can't substitute a Kindergarten teacher for a High School teacher. I don't envy them this planning task but I'm glad that they didn't throw up their hands and go all in for online only like so many places have.
Probably? Probably? You can barely substitute one high school science teacher for another. And most HS teachers I know would...not do well with elementary students.
Plus, the union would have kittens.
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@Benjamin-Hall sorry, humor by understatement.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall sorry, humor by understatement.
I figured. But wanted to amplify just how absurd that whole thing is.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
You probably can't substitute a Kindergarten teacher for a High School teacher. I don't envy them this planning task but I'm glad that they didn't throw up their hands and go all in for online only like so many places have.
Probably? Probably? You can barely substitute one high school science teacher for another. And most HS teachers I know would...not do well with elementary students.
While true, there is video evidence of a Police officer doing very well at teaching Kindergarten. With the recent defund the police stance, this is a prime time to start recruiting from this largely untapped pool.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
the union would have kittens.
Would be the best thing the union ever did.
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union kittens {
k1;
k2;
k3;
};
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@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
You probably can't substitute a Kindergarten teacher for a High School teacher. I don't envy them this planning task but I'm glad that they didn't throw up their hands and go all in for online only like so many places have.
Probably? Probably? You can barely substitute one high school science teacher for another. And most HS teachers I know would...not do well with elementary students.
While true, there is video evidence of a Police officer doing very well at teaching Kindergarten.
Did he sh... oh wait, wrong topic.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
You probably can't substitute a Kindergarten teacher for a High School teacher. I don't envy them this planning task but I'm glad that they didn't throw up their hands and go all in for online only like so many places have.
Probably? Probably? You can barely substitute one high school science teacher for another. And most HS teachers I know would...not do well with elementary students.
While true, there is video evidence of a Police officer doing very well at teaching Kindergarten.
Did he sh... oh wait, wrong topic.
Did he shield his face so the kids don't catch coronavirus?
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@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
While true, there is video evidence of a Police officer doing very well at teaching Kindergarten.
this?
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Indeed
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@antiquarian said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
coughs and sneezes and so on are the main transmission mechanism
I wouldn't be so sure about that given that the virus has been found in untreated sewage:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/sanitation-wastewater-workers.html
It's possible that people are coughing into their toilets, but consider what normally goes into untreated sewage and how polio, for example, is transmitted.
As I've said in my lounge post, the Hong Kong University have published that they found large amount of SAR-COV-2 virus on patients of COVID-19, possibly because ACE2 protein is highly expressed in cells of small intestine, so that is normal.
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Damn. And I've had such a high opinion of this guy:
Fuck him. Hopefully the board doesn't vote along with his recommendation but I doubt it.
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@boomzilla Hopefully their IT infra is better than it was when I was there, with launch-day Blackboard five years later, and the county-wide domain administrator password -- a five-letter dictionary word -- in a share all students can see by default.
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@TwelveBaud yeah, they claim that they've fixed all of that. I'll believe it when I see it.
Supposedly they were going to ditch Blackboard Collaborate entirely. No idea what they've switched to, or if they even did.
A guy I work with says he knew one of the founders (or super early employees) of Blackboard who said that Blackboard's motto was always "Over-promise and under-deliver." Still, when you go from 0 to 100% virtual all at once it's not surprising that you're not provisioned to support that.
I seriously cannot believe that he caved like that after everything they've done. It looks like the teacher's union (spit) probably strong armed him.
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@boomzilla Nope, their instance of Collaborate (rebranded as "FCPS 24/7 Learning") is the #3 hit on Google for Blackboard.
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@TwelveBaud yep. Just logged in and the url is still fcps.blackboard.com. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they lied in previous communications about it.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they lied
"They" refers to a government agency (school district). Duh.
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After four months of lockdown our government has finally given up on the whole lockdown thing and will gradually open up everything, despite the virus spreading everywhere, because people didn't respect lockdown at all. The government authorities are confident that when hospitals begin to collapse people will just stay at home and the magic R value will drop. Gee I wonder why they didn't come up with that first?
It will take a few more months before lockdown is over though, because unlike USA or Europe, even when business reopen people will still have to get a permit to travel between neighborhoods and public transport will be restricted to essential workers.
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Not that you could tell by the way the teachers unions have been crying after seeing their own shadows...
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
crying after seeing their own shadows
Does that mean the Corona winter is going to last another 6 weeks (only)? Or worse, that we're going to have to relive this goddamn year over and over and over again?
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@topspin it means I want to punch them is what it means.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin it means I want to punch them is what it means.
Oh, you're that far in already?
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Not that you could tell by the way the teachers unions have been crying after seeing their own shadows...
NYC school system has had teacher
s die but no word that they were spread by students.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
While true, there is video evidence of a Police officer doing very well at teaching Kindergarten.
this?
Has the
emote ever been more appropriate?
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Not that you could tell by the way the teachers unions have been crying after seeing their own shadows...
Sounds like one of these things where there's “no known cases” because nobody has a policy of testing children to see if they have the disease. There's no evidence because it was never collected in the first place…
Also, UK schools mostly locked down sufficiently early that I'd not expect them to have been major factors here anyway, and the government's had a hell of a time persuading teachers (including headmasters) to open up again. The people actually running the schools on the ground are not complete idiots; they know how kids spread respiratory diseases like wildfire, as it only happens a few times every single winter.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Not that you could tell by the way the teachers unions have been crying after seeing their own shadows...
Sounds like one of these things where there's “no known cases” because nobody has a policy of testing children to see if they have the disease. There's no evidence because it was never collected in the first place…
I wonder if it was done out of
or on purpose. If on purpose, I wonder if it was done to lower case numbers, or to increase fatality rates.
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@dkf
Or it’s also possible that there really haven’t been that many children that were even symptomatic enough to warrant possible testing.And it does seem a little bit of a stretch to classify people who have the COVID-19 virus present in their body but have no negative symptoms as being “infected” with the disease. I have E.Coli bacteria in my gut, and a host of other bacteria and probably viruses, but am I sick with any of them? No, because they’re not out of balance or they’re being controlled by my immune system such that my body is within normal parameters. So why are we counting people who have tested positive with no symptoms at all just because they’re getting “enhanced scrutiny” tests due to proximity with someone who was infected (see: Jimmie Johnson) or are being tested because of sports?
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So why are we counting people who have tested positive with no symptoms at all
Because they can spread the disease and are therefore statistically relevant. It's as simple as that.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Sounds like one of these things where there's “no known cases” because nobody has a policy of testing children to see if they have the disease. There's no evidence because it was never collected in the first place…
Like at the start of the pandemic here, when they were only finding import cases because the testing requirements included 'you, or someone you have had close physical contact to, has been in a known hotspot'.
And then some hospital started doing tests on transferred patients who didn't meet those guidelines and lo and behold.
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Like at the start of the pandemic here, when they were only finding import cases because the testing requirements included 'you, or someone you have had close physical contact to, has been in a known hotspot'.
We had a lot of fun with that policy over here, especially after we had become a known hotspot (but the guidance wasn't altered to acknowledge this).
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@dfdub
And yet the US National Institute of Health studied a group of asymptomatic carries and found 0 transmissions out of 455 extended contacts.
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dfdub
And yet the US National Institute of Health studied a group of asymptomatic carries and found 0 transmissions out of 455 extended contacts.As discussed before when this article
finally appears on August 1stfirst got mentioned here, it's not a group but a single patient. That 455 number is completely meaningless, as it proves nothing more than this one asymptomatic patient is not infectious.Unless of course their abstract is just using terrible language :who_nose:.
E: That's not completely unlikely, but I'm tooto read all of it.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So why are we counting people who have tested positive with no symptoms at all
Because they can spread the disease and are therefore statistically relevant. It's as simple as that.
Not necessarily. The window for being infectious is still not completely known (and won't be well defined between individuals anyways), but has been observed to be somewhat limited even for people with significant symptoms. I remember reading a study about that. Basically, people were still sick but weren't shedding enough virus to be considered contagious (it was likely posted upthread, but might also be in the garage).
Search results are completely polluted for asymptomatic transmission, and I had to beat google just to accept that I didn't want
asymptomatic
in my search terms. Ugh.
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Like at the start of the pandemic here, when they were only finding import cases because the testing requirements included 'you, or someone you have had close physical contact to, has been in a known hotspot'.
And then some hospital started doing tests on transferred patients who didn't meet those guidelines and lo and behold.
Selection bias?
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
union kittens {
k1;
k2;
k3;
};
Oh no, what have you done?
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dfdub
And yet the US National Institute of Health studied a group of asymptomatic carries and found 0 transmissions out of 455 extended contacts.Guangdong Provincial People's Hospital had known to go very far to undermine the COVID-19 pandemic.
You're advised to just ignore the claims from China and learn from countries where government don't exert heavy-handed control on discussion of medical topics.
With global pandemic, every country have their own sample of patients to learn from, no need to consult from source possibly deceptive.
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@error said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
union kittens {
k1;
k2;
k3;
};
Oh no, what have you done?
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Spotted at a local petrol station.
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@loopback0 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Spotted at a local petrol station.
Interesting … they’ve managed to create analog compression artifacts in that image.
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I got a notification that @antiquarian mentioned me here, but when I click it, I get an "access denied" error. Did someone move some posts to the garage or is NodeBB just being weird again?
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I got a notification that @antiquarian mentioned me here, but when I click it, I get an "access denied" error. Did someone move some posts to the garage or is NodeBB just being weird again?
Yeah, there was some jeffing by Our Great Leader when things turned garagey.
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https://wnyt.com/health/review-into-englands-coronavirus-death-total-amid-questions/5797254/?cat=656
Yoon Loke and Carl Heneghan, professors at the University of East Anglia and the University of Oxford, respectively, said in a blog that the methodology used by Public Health England has led to a "statistical flaw" that ends up with England recording disproportionately higher deaths.
"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later," they said.
"By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness."