UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...
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@PJH No doubt it's been posted somewhere here before, but what's the implementation plan? I'm assuming that most adult websites that Briton's access aren't hosted in the UK. Is this going to be another GDPR thing where they all start blocking UK addresses to prevent harassment from the UK? Is there some kind of MITM attack the the government will make against known adult sites?
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@boomzilla said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@PJH No doubt it's been posted somewhere here before, but what's the implementation plan?
I'm interested in this too, so far it doesn't seem like there is one. Except for requiring UK companies to comply. They'd have to completely ban Bing Images for a start...
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@boomzilla said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
but what's the implementation plan?
I'm assuming that most adult websites that Briton's access aren't hosted in the UK.
Oh, you meant the real-life bits that they haven't considered, and thought the rest of the world will fall into line with?
Haven't a scooby.
(I suspect, from what little I've seen of it, it'll be along the lines of a "enforce registration with UK users or we'll go Great Firewall of China with you.")
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Ok - I bothered looking. Here's one interpretation:
Under the Act, websites hosting pornography will be required to stop UK users from accessing pictures, video and text unless they can prove they are over 18. [...]
When a UK IP address attempts to access a website with pornographic content, the person browsing the web will have to verify themselves. It's up to each individual porn website to implement the technology that allows people to prove they're old enough to view the material.[...]
Nothing there about what happens, if the above doesn't....
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@PJH said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Nothing there about what happens, if the above doesn't....
Found it.
"The legislation can be used to compel ISPs to block access to non-compliant websites," added Mr Brown.
So not too far off what I postulated.
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@PJH said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
It's up to each individual porn website to implement the technology that allows people to prove they're old enough to view the material.[...]
No bet on how many porn websites will use the good'ol "please enter your credit card details and oh btw you've been automatically enrolled into our GBP 99/month membership plan and no it's not illegal because actually you've got 24 hours to go and cancel your membership for free if you only read the tiny print, and also we pinky swear your CC number is not going to end up sold to anyone who ask for it"...
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@remi Probably violates GDPR in some fashion, but the UK will conveniently no longer be in the EU by then.
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Finally, the Greatest of Britains will be free of this whole pesky EU thing and porn. The children will grow up pure and courageous. The teens will honor their ancestors and help those in needs.
His heart knows only virtue. His blade defends the helpless. His might upholds the weak. His word speaks only truth. His wrath undoes the wicked.
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What is it with the anglo-saxon countries and puritanism.
Didn't they already have a porn filter in the ISPs? Where you had to explicitly enable access? Doesn't that make this redundant?
And why do porn sites never fight back against this sort of thing? Most people don't realize it but they're almost as big as Facebook or Google in terms of visits. A big message on PornHub.com might have raised some awareness.
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@anonymous234 said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Didn't they already have a porn filter in the ISPs? Where you had to explicitly enable access? Doesn't that make this redundant?
The UK? Nope, think you could ask for filtering if you wanted though on most services. My last ISP made it a point of mentioning they couldn't filter anything, and that they didn't do DPI or keep beyond the bare-minimum of any logs etc...
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@Cursorkeys said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
My last ISP made it a point of mentioning they couldn't filter anything, and that they didn't do DP
What about other types of porn?
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@TimeBandit Needs a "Yes, but I don't act like one on the Internet" also.
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I can't find the article now but didn't they try this in Russia but it ended educating the populace about vpns and lo and behold web filtering by the government became next to useless. I wonder if the same thing will happen here.
I think searching for this at work would raise some alarms.
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@DogsB I don't think Russia ever tried a porn ban but they do have a blacklist for drug stuff, child porn, "extremist" material, etc.
Roskomnadzor, along with several other agencies such as the Federal Drug Control Service, the Federal Consumer Protection Service, and the office of the Prosecutor General, can block certain classes of content without a court order: Calls for unsanctioned public actions, content deemed extremist, materials that violate copyright, information about juvenile victims of crime, child abuse imagery, information encouraging the use of drugs, and descriptions of suicide.[16] Other content can be blocked with a court order.[16]
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@blek Ah yes, I remember a funny case
https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/3grpdf/tifu_by_getting_reddit_banned_in_russia/Edit: incidentally, that's exactly what will happen in the UK if reddit doesn't implement some verification scheme too.
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@boomzilla said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
implementation plan
you know we are talking about the UK, right?
They'll just ask to post-pone first and then ...
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@kt_ said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
His blade defends the helpless.
Uh ... do you a permit for that butter knife?
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@dcon said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
"Yes, but I don't act like one on the Internet"
Is there any other way?
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@Luhmann said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@boomzilla said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
implementation plan
you know we are talking about the UK, right?
They'll just ask to post-pone first and then ...
They tried to build the Great Firewall of UK, but couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil.
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@Cursorkeys I don't know what happened to it but it was definitely a thing.
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@anonymous234 said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
I don't know what happened to it but it was definitely a thing.
I know what probably happened...
Every home in the UK is to have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless the householder choose to receive it
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@anonymous234 said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@Cursorkeys I don't know what happened to it but it was definitely a thing.
Huh, TIL. I've never done that and my connection is unfiltered to this day, so I've been told...by other people
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AgeID, has been developed by MindGeek, a company that also owns several pornographic websites including Pornhub, RedTube and YouPorn.
Oh, so that's why they don't seem to mind. Less competition I guess.
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@kt_ said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
His blade defends the helpless.
Bzzzt! We're banning/GPS enabling* blades next month as well.
* Delete as appropriate. Also, .
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@anonymous234 said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Didn't they already have a porn filter in the ISPs? Where you had to explicitly enable access? Doesn't that make this redundant?
Yes. Yes. Apparently not.
The 2013 online child-protection initiative meant new broadband customers were shown an opt-out screen during setup that asked if they wanted filters switched on. The “yes” option was ticked by default, meaning those who barrelled through setup missed their opportunity to decide. Depending on the ISP, it wasn’t just porn that was blocked, but also other adult topics like gambling or violence.
Internet service provider TalkTalk has followed in the footsteps of Sky to filter adult content by default. Many ISPs have already implemented the filters, with disastrous results, which leaves BT and Virgin Media as the only major service providers to not have the filter option on by default.
Over the past few years all of the country’s largest ISPs (BT, Virgin Media, Sky Broadband, TalkTalk etc.), under pressure from the Government, have introduced new network-level filtering systems that can optionally be enabled by subscribers. Some providers, such as Sky Broadband, even enable these by default.
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Sadly such filters can be unreliable and often catch legitimate websites through errors, such as incorrect categorisation.
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@Lorne-Kates said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
They tried to build the Great Firewall of UK, but couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil.
Should've just asked Jaguar Land Rover. They're experts.
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@Cursorkeys said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Huh, TIL. I've never done that and my connection is unfiltered to this day, so I've been told...by other people
"Someone" turned mine off...
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@loopback0 said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
"Someone" turned mine off...
They ought to block access to UK tabloid newspapers too, which seem to be all too keen on peddling (low-quality) filth.
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@dkf said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@loopback0 said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
"Someone" turned mine off...
They ought to block access to UK tabloid newspapers too, which seem to be all too keen on peddling (low-quality) filth.
Or all newspapers really:
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
look it up in your Oxford dictionary
FileUnder: my training to become an admin is on the right track
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Shower thought: at least Tumblr won't have to worry about this now!
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@anonymous234 said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Shower thought: at least Tumblr won't have to worry about this now!
So you were "having a toss" in the shower, eh? TMI.
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Remember kids, stabbing 17 year old girl with your penis is not OK, only do it with your knife!
(disclaimer: I am not actually advocating for any of that -- it's called sarcasm, look it up in your Oxford dictionary)
Explaining a joke makes it not a joke.
(You see, because a joke is made of two or more concepts conflict or defy expectation, which triggers a condition in the brain where it deals with the dissonant information with treating it as "funny". However, should those concepts be normalized, expected or otherwise have the conflict resolved, then it loses the potential to be 'surprising' or 'unexpected', and cannot trigger that dissonant reaction in the brain. Explaining a joke does the job of removing the surprising/unexpected/conflicting information. This is especially true if explaining immediately after telling the joke, since the concept-conflict might not have fully registered in the brain yet, so by the time the 'joke' is registered, the underlying concept will already bee resolved. Overall, once the 'joke' is understood or explain, the 'joke' is prevented from being funny, and since it is no longer funny, it can no longer be a joke. Also, your mom gives messy blowjobs to kangaroos)
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@Lorne-Kates said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
A bunch of gibberish...
-- I wrote "disclaimer" not a "joke explanation". Also, can you stop with personal insults? Or is that your definition of a "joke"?
But it kinda ruined the joke at the same time. It wasn't an explicit explanation but close enough.
@boomzilla Can you please tell me what is considered over the line here when it comes to personal insults? Should I respond in kind to everyone's amusement of should I flag the post for moderation?
What do you hope to accomplish with the flag? Do you think someone here personally insulted you? Are your mom's kangaroo blowjobs actually very neat? Or was that actually an obviously hyperbolic mom joke?
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@Cursorkeys I find myself shocked at the couple of times I agreed with Sir Humphries over Hacker.
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@Captain said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@Cursorkeys I find myself shocked at the couple of times I agreed with Sir Humphries over Hacker.
"Well, somebody's got to..."
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@levicki You poor dear.
No, people don't get banned for hurting your fee-fees.
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Or is that your definition of a "joke"?
It's kind of his thing.
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
I'd hate to have to resort to dropping myself to their level and beating them with experience.
I see where he got the idea of Kangaroo blowjobs from...
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
same person, twice so far in short time span
Don't mind him, he's just frustrated because he's stuck in the cold and snow in Canada
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@TimeBandit said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
same person, twice so far in short time span
Don't mind him, he's just frustrated because he's stuck in the cold and snow in Canada
But he has a wife...
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@levicki said in [UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...]
which I also flagged for moderation?
You're adorable.
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Point is that such "jokes" don't add anything to the discussion -- they are outright baiting and trolling.
And they seem to work.
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@boomzilla said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
Are your mom's kangaroo blowjobs actually very neat?
Are you asking for a friend?
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
How about removing the offending post, and giving the offender a verbal warning first time, and a 2 day chill out ban second time, 7 day ban third time and then permaban if they persist?
Haaaaave you met ?
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@levicki said in UK `Tossing Tax` to be a surprise to most of the UK in two weeks...:
@boomzilla Can you please tell me what is considered over the line here when it comes to personal insults? Should I respond in kind (to everyone's amusement), or should I flag the post for moderation?
You seem to be relatively new, so just so you know, people come here to avoid working, or to relieve the stress of working. Being IT professionals most lack social skills and don't know how to relate to others without being offensive. You can search for posts by a user Fox if you want to know what kind of behavior is 'over the line', but generally the line is pretty high up. As in, you could be an astronaut in the ISS and you'd be comfortably below it.
Feel free to react however you want, I don't think anyone is going to care much either way. Particularly contentious topics generally go in the garage, but that's just so they don't take over every topic since they just go around in circles. The salon has stricter rules of behavior specifically forbidding personal attacks but it doesn't get much use.