Nobody shares knowledge better than this
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Sony quit hiding the GPS info Damn-It
@Xyro said:
Stupid and Not so Stupid Sony.This way, you don't have to have TWO files (the video and the metadata file) when you copy them to your "USB chip".
Therefore, keep it simple, stupid, and use a pre-existing library if you want to extract metadata.
Further, keep it simple, stupid, and use the pre-existing metadata INSIDE the file rather than OUTSIDE the file.
Finally, keep it simple, stupid, and do a little research into your task before writing bad code. This is true for all of us.
For Jpeg picture files the GPS information is stuffed in the picture file somewhere?
For mpeg video; it is in an external (TEXT) file of a matching name yyyymmmddhhmmss.modd So I guess the data is "EXTERNAL" metadata. Or is there such a thing.
Come on Sony do something smart and dump the GPS location in the file name like the Swampies want.
For a GPS of Lat=49.123456 Long=-119.123456
With this info I can manually change the video file names to reflect their GPS location 20101220094559GPS49.123456_-119.123456.mpg
NOW I can start working on the Video Drive about demonstrations..... Truly a winner in the making. The "Digital Video ShowDown" is going to be an easy whip for SSDS.
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huh?
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Sharing Knowledge by GPS location
@Xyro said:
huh?
Video Knowledge now has a GPS location.Every file and transaction will have a GPS location and maybe even a "TO" location indicating a move or transfer etc... With SSDS to play it all back Visually for you. How incredible this Swamp Video is.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Come on Sony do something smart and dump the GPS location in the file name like the Swampies want.
You didn't answer Xyro's question. Suppose I take a half-hour long video while on a roadtrip and so I've moved 35 miles or so during that time. Which GPS location should go in the name?
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Sorry if this is already common knowledge, but did anyone know about SS' half dozen blogs? (with each having about one or two posts, naturally...)
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Come on Sony do something smart and dump the GPS location in the file name like the
SwampiesSwampy and his imaginary friends, want.TBFU: FTFY
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@PSWorx said:
Sorry if this is already common knowledge, but did anyone know about SS' half dozen blogs? (with each having about one or two posts, naturally...)
*facepalm*
Wow, it almost looks like he thinks you create a new blog for each post you write. Spectate, is there anything you do like a normal human being? What you're doing on blogger is the equivalent of publishing a new magazine brand for each issue. Imagine if you went to the supermarket and had to know you had to look for "Jodie Foster Magazine" instead of People or "Mark Zuckerburg Person of the Year" instead of the latest issue of TIME. If you put all of your posts into the same blog (just like you do with these threads, which is a good thing) then you would have better luck.
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Putting GPS info in the FILENAME is the Answer
@mott555 said:
Obviously both Mott555Swamp and XyroSwamp don't do video. Shoot a number of short videos along the way. The GPS location for each video is available. I'd rename the video to include that Lat-Long (49.123456,-119.123456) information.@SpectateSwamp said:
Come on Sony do something smart and dump the GPS location in the file name like the Swampies want.
You didn't answer Xyro's question. Suppose I take a half-hour long video while on a roadtrip and so I've moved 35 miles or so during that time. Which GPS location should go in the name?
If the manufacturers refuse to do it. Do it yourself. They can't stop us Swampies from sharing the GPS info.
I was sort of hoping somebody would have come up with the coding changes I need for this Video Drive About Feature. Where are all the big big gunners. How come none are at the Digital Video Showdown. Swamp Video is just too good already. And getting better and better...
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I was sort of hoping somebody would have come up with the coding changes I need for this Video Drive About Feature. Where are all the big big gunners. How come none are at the Digital Video Showdown. Swamp Video is just too good already. And getting better and better...
Yo, Spectate,
Check this out, it'll blow your mind:
See all those little thumbnails of videos? They all represent videos people have already shared. And there is GPS info embedded right in them! Imagine that! And guess what? I guarantee you they didn't need to put any of the GPS info into the filename in order for that to happen! And to sum it all up, it's all reprsented as little thumbnails on a map! Can your crappy app do that? SSDS can't touch this map feature Google has. There's my part of the showdown. Google just keeps getting better and better...
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@RHuckster said:
See all those little thumbnails of videos?
No, he won't. Your link is wrong. He should try this instead:
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Swamp Video: Where Video Duration is Measured in Feet
@SpectateSwamp said:
Obviously both Mott555Swamp and XyroSwamp don't do video. Shoot a number of short videos along the way. The GPS location for each video is available. I'd rename the video to include that Lat-Long (49.123456,-119.123456) information.
That doesn't help anything. You're right about me not doing video, but breaking a half-hour interview into one-minute segments because we happen to be on a moving vehicle and you want to accomodate your insane "metadata" requirements would just leave me with a mess of short videos that I would never want to watch. On the plus side, when someone asks me "Hey do you remember this part? Skip to it" I can reply "Oh, yeah, that was right after the big pothole that I magically know is at 35.345, -92.9438!! I'll search by the GPS!"
How short would the videos have to be? As short as the GPS receiver's sensitivity? Most consumer-grade GPS devices can detect a change in location of around ten or fifteen feet. Do I need to stop the camera and restart it every fifteen feet while going seventy miles per hour on the interstate? Or what if you're some kind of GPS enthusiast and you're using a survey-grade locator that is accurate to within an inch?
Maybe you need to do some research on use case scenarios. How would the typical user of your software (other than you as the developer, since you want others to use it as well) react to this idea? If I had to hack my camera to include GPS data in the name instead of in metadata and then had to cycle my camera on and off every fifteen feet to have accurate GPS readings, well the truth is I wouldn't. I'd use other software to manage my video.
@SpectateSwamp said:
If the manufacturers refuse to do it. Do it yourself. They can't stop us Swampies from sharing the GPS info.
They aren't stopping you from sharing GPS info. You're just doing it wrong.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I was sort of hoping somebody would have come up with the coding changes I need for this Video Drive About Feature. Where are all the big big gunners. How come none are at the Digital Video Showdown. Swamp Video is just too good already. And getting better and better...
Swamp Video is too good already and getting better and better, even though you're too lazy to work on it and expect others to do it for you, which they won't? How is it getting better and better then?
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@derula said:
No, he won't. Your link is wrong. He should try this instead:
Odd. Your link looks identical to mine, yet yours indeed works and mine doesn't. Wtf?
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No MetaData in Mpeg video files - Sony at least
@mott555 said:
How short would the videos have to be? As short as the GPS receiver's sensitivity? Most consumer-grade GPS devices can detect a change in location of around ten or fifteen feet. Do I need to stop the camera and restart it every fifteen feet while going seventy miles per hour on the interstate? Or what if you're some kind of GPS enthusiast and you're using a survey-grade locator that is accurate to within an inch?
They aren't stopping you from sharing GPS info. You're just doing it wrong.
Search out "gps data cannot be embedded" and you'll find the reference. Like I said the GPS info is in a MODD file and not the Mpeg video file. It's far better to put the GPS into the video file name. Rather than keep this otherwise useless file.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Video Knowledge now has a GPS location.
No one but you calls it 'Video Knowledge'.
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@RHuckster said:
@derula said:
No, he won't. Your link is wrong. He should try this instead:
Odd. Your link looks identical to mine, yet yours indeed works and mine doesn't. Wtf?
Your link:
<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.631891,-90.259552&spn=0.304669,0.837021&z=11&lci=com.youtube.all ">http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.631891,-90.259552&spn=0.304669,0.837021&z=11&lci=com.youtube.all</a>
My link:<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.631891,-90.259552&spn=0.304669,0.837021&z=11&lci=com.youtube.all">http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.631891,-90.259552&spn=0.304669,0.837021&z=11&lci=com.youtube.all</a>
Spot the difference.
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*smacks head*
I'll take my turn in the corner of shame. Spectate, step aside.
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If GPS information is truly valuable, then embedding the GPS info in the filename is not the way to go. It would be bettert to have a new video file format/container that allowed for the GPS information to be embedded directly in the video stream, in order to allow for a single video file that contains multiple clips with different locations. Of course you'd also need new video player software that can read that information. Store the GPS Lat/Long on each frame.
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@Medezark said:
It would be better to have a new video file format/container
I took a look at the current formats, and I wasn't very impressed. EXIF looks like
TRWTFa suboptimal solution:The Exif standard has no provision for video files.
amongst many other issues. There doesn't seem to be an accepted standard; Sony's Modd files don't really appeal to me (or anyone besides Sony); Mpeg-7 is the new standard that might solve it, but we all know what happens to standards, especially with so muchpornexisting home videos in older formats.Disclaimer: I have absolutely no clue about any of this.
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@b-redeker said:
@Medezark said:
It would be better to have a new video file format/container
I took a look at the current formats, and I wasn't very impressed. EXIF looks like
TRWTFa suboptimal solution:The Exif standard has no provision for video files.
amongst many other issues. There doesn't seem to be an accepted standard; Sony's Modd files don't really appeal to me (or anyone besides Sony); Mpeg-7 is the new standard that might solve it, but we all know what happens to standards, especially with so muchpornexisting home videos in older formats.Disclaimer: I have absolutely no clue about any of this.
That actually looks like the way to go -- develop a video system that, simultaneously with recording the video is concurrently creating an MPEG-7 file stamping every change in GPS location (and only changes). And if the camera's GPS system is set up correctly the time/date stamps on the video would also be accurate*.
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Perlies please call Exif for Swamp Video
@b-redeker said:
@Medezark said:
It would be better to have a new video file format/container
I took a look at the current formats, and I wasn't very impressed. EXIF looks like
TRWTFa suboptimal solution:The Exif standard has no provision for video files.
amongst many other issues. There doesn't seem to be an accepted standard; Sony's Modd files don't really appeal to me (or anyone besides Sony); Mpeg-7 is the new standard that might solve it, but we all know what happens to standards, especially with so muchpornexisting home videos in older formats.Disclaimer: I have absolutely no clue about any of this.
Are there any Perlies out there. I need a simple app that will read in my text file with the file details in it (Call Exif for GPS info) and output the same matching pairs of lines with the GPS info appended to the first of the 2 lines. Maybe even put the GPS out in a couple of formats or 3.
With this simple app I can start make use of the GPS in SSDS. Then look out.
Something along the lines of DmpMp3_metadata program would be most most appreciated PerlSwampies
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Good-bye "Hello World" hello "Hello SpectateSwamp"
@derula said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Are there any Perlies out there. I need a simple app
Not your private army.I was hoping people would be more giving, caring and helpful during the Season.
Come on DerulaSwamp. Do the DmpJpeg_metadata in your favorite language. You can you know.
Swampers of every stripe working together; building these 'Stuped-Up' Dmp* Apps. Whooo Hooo.
Useful simple apps for every language. See the Mp3 (artist, song, album..) and Jpg (gps date-time photographer) dumped to the screen. All done with code that the man on the street can understand...
Forget the Hello World example as a starter program. These are REAL world useful apps done as simple as possible. Every ETL needs Dmp* programs. Come on Swampies. Build'Em
P.S. Seasons Greetings
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Come on DerulaSwamp. Do the DmpJpeg_metadata in your favorite language. You can you know.
http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/
http://www.holmessoft.co.uk/homepage/Software/ExifUsage.htm
There are two tools that work with Exif data to get you started.
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C dumbed down is OK
@spenk said:
Thanks@SpectateSwamp said:
Come on DerulaSwamp. Do the DmpJpeg_metadata in your favorite language. You can you know.
http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/
http://www.holmessoft.co.uk/homepage/Software/ExifUsage.htm
There are two tools that work with Exif data to get you started.
I had that first link already and downloaded the Exif stuff. I've seen some examples of Perl and Exif so I was going to try them. I followed this site and downloaded a copy of Perl called Strawberry.
http://www.webbasedprogramming.com/Perl-5-By-Example/ch1.htm#GettingandInstallingPerl
I'll try the C - Exif method next. My examples will just deal with GPS and other "important" data. Skipping 95% of the details
The low lever examples are very helpful thanks.
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You guys aren't seriously trying to teach him Perl?
This should be amusing...
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A Guy Walks Into A Bar
@DaveK said:
"Please god no, not another 45-page thread full of the lamest flames known to mankind." A massive group clusterfuck where everyone beats up on some poor sad mentally ill nobody is not really very illuminating even at the best of times. There's Usenet for that.
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@PSWorx said:
You guys aren't seriously trying to teach him Perl? This should be amusing...
We are a positive force in his life.
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@dhromed said:
We are a positive force in his life.
Even CS tries to help, forcing him to be concise.
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@b-redeker said:
concise
I believe that will be beneficial to spenk as well.
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PerlSwamp, a mad scientist experiment gone wrong.
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@Xyro said:
beneficial
TRWTF is that your way-too-large/unfunny sigline still survives. Can we have a 187 char limit on that?
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@b-redeker said:
way-too-large/unfunny sigline
I used to have a Ruby implementation of the Brillant Paula Bean in my sig.
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@b-redeker said:
way-too-large/unfunny sigline
:'(
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A Guy Walks Into a Bar
and says "You aren't seriously trying to teach him Perl, are you?"
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With posts Twitterfied to 187 chars, Perl will be the only language we can write!
perl -ne 'print if /$searchterm/o' mergefile.txt
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Also, to say that we're teaching him is a bit of a stretch, but as he does seem responsive to cargo cult programming, it may at least be an interesting experiment.
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Camcorder's Best Feature - Remote Control by Far
Buy the cheapest camcorder that comes with a Remote Control. Without a doubt it is the most important feature any camcorder can have. Believe me.
Every thread with "best camcorder" or "camcorder to buy" better look out. Because it all boils down to the Remote Control. Wise up Manufacturers and include RC's in the low end models or else! You competition will and you will be history
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Buy the cheapest camcorder that comes with a Remote Control. Without a doubt it is the most important feature any camcorder can have. Believe me.
I do not agree. The most important feature of a camcorder is to be able to film stuff. What am I to do with a camcorder that has a remote control but doesn't film?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Without a doubt it is the most important feature any camcorder can have. Believe me.
While I can on my own imagine its usefulness, are you going to at least give us a hint as to why you believe this and posted about it?@SpectateSwamp said:Every thread with "best camcorder" or "camcorder to buy" better look out.
...for what?
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Remotes eliminate Jigglies at beginning and end of each clip
@derula said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Buy the cheapest camcorder that comes with a Remote Control. Without a doubt it is the most important feature any camcorder can have. Believe me.
I do not agree. The most important feature of a camcorder is to be able to film stuff. What am I to do with a camcorder that has a remote control but doesn't film?I'm talking about REAL features that you pay for. Not imaginary.
DerulaSwamp are you from another planet. Just here trying to hold back humanity for another 100 years or so? Don't want everybody making the Great Leap ahead like SpectateSwamp?
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Use your Remote or else
@Xyro said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Without a doubt it is the most important feature any camcorder can have. Believe me.
While I can on my own imagine its usefulness, are you going to at least give us a hint as to why you believe this and posted about it?@SpectateSwamp said:Every thread with "best camcorder" or "camcorder to buy" better look out.
...for what?Those nasty jigglies were part of the reason I added the ability to "start" a fraction of a second into the video clips. To eliminate what was in EVERY video without having to physically edit these parts out. Then I started using the remote control instead... I use it all the time except when I'm too lazy to get it out of it's compartment.
Other video players don't have the ability of Swamp Video to "skip" the jigglies so --- USE your remote lots...
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@derula said:
What am I to do with a camcorder that has a remote control but doesn't film?
I'm talking about REAL features that you pay for. Not imaginary.
Being able to film with a camcorder is an imaginary feature?
@SpectateSwamp said:
DerulaSwamp are you from another planet.
Yes. It's called Earth.
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Okay, so, what you're saying is the remote control is the end-all be-all feature of video recorders because it prevents you from jiggling the camera when you press the play button?
If you don't want the camera jiggled, use a tripod. If you're not using a tripod, then jiggles are going to be part of the capture. If you're using a tripod AND you still jiggle the camera, tighten up the tripod constraints and press the play button with less force.
Also, edit your video to show only the good parts.
While I have no doubt a remote control is useful, it's hardly a killer feature. Crisp image quality, on the other hand, is pretty great.
... especially when holding the video recorder up to a computer monitor to re-record unedited video.
Edit: PS, Swampie, that last part was just a bit of sarcastic fun. In mentioning it, I am pointing out in a lightly humorous remark some of your egregious videoing practices to thereby demonstrate the backwardness of your priorities of features. I am only stating this explanation explicitly because in the recent past you've had trouble reading sarcasm.
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@Xyro said:
press the play button with less force.
As much as I'm loathe to say it, he does have a point.
These camera's are (supposedly) designed to be held with one hand, not on a tripod. However, on my camera (and I've seen more like it), to start recording while holding the camera, requires a second thumb, or ideally a tentacle. A well-designed camera should have a "record" button that is under your index finger, and requires no force to turn it on or off.
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Wake-up Camcorder manufacturers
@b-redeker said:
As much as I'm loathe to say it, he does have a point.
You ain't finished loathing yet.
Wake up Marketers and Manufacturers... When you add the Remotes as a feature to the low end camcorders. How about moving the sensor to the Bottom-Back of the camcorder and add a tiny light to indicate recording on the BB. At parties I often hold the camcorder way over my head using the tripod. Currently I have to lower the camcorder to stop recording. By putting the RC under and in front of the camcorder. No the manufacturers don't have a clue about doing video. None.
What is this dementia forum. Lately people have been making less sence than Me. I hate that.
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@b-redeker said:
A well-designed camera should have a "record" button that is under your index finger, and requires no force to turn it on or off.
That's ideal, but even in movie studios, with the best camera equipment money can buy, directors have a buffer where the camera starts recording a second or two before the take begins. This way any adjustments the camera might make initially due to light, sound, etc, won't be in the final cut. Obviously you don't have the "jiggly" problem you would with a hand-held, but no matter how "light" you make the button press be, there will always be some sort of jiggling problem on the camera just due to the fact your fingers have to flex to some extent in order to press it. You also want to make sure you don't make it too easy to accidentally press the button if it's in your bag or whatnot.
I'd think most videographers would agree that you want to press record a second or two before you really want to start recording, and then trim those parts out before production.
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