In other news today...
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
Let me translate that: "Oh, the school hasn't had an outbreak. Better make sure it has one!"
Sorry to rehash this yet again, but I'm trying to understand the mindset that says that absolutely everyone must be vaccinated. What about herd immunity? I would think that once a critical mass has been vaccinated, the rest would be generally safe enough.
- If their kid doesn't have measles, then he couldn't communicate it to the rest of the school.
- If their kid does have measles, then why would his parents make him go to school and risk infecting others?
- If their kid is the only one (or one of only a few) at the school who hasn't had a vaccine, then why would his going to school be an issue? Even if he was infectious, the vaccinated kids would be fine, right?
tables of situations
Parents send unvaccinated kid to school kid has measles kid doesn't have measles most or all of school is vaccinated kid might infect few or none kid can't infect anyone; kid is very unlikely to get infected few or none of school is vaccinated kid could infect a lot kid can't infect anyone; kit might get infected Parents keep unvaccinated kid home kid has measles kid doesn't have measles most or all of school is vaccinated kid can't infect anyone kid can't infect anyone; kid can't get infected few or none of school is vaccinated kid can't infect anyone kid can't infect anyone; kid can't get infected Parents send vaccinated kid to school kid has measles kid doesn't have measles most or all of school is vaccinated impossible? kid can't infect anyone; kid can't get infected? few or none of school is vaccinated impossible? kid can't infect anyone; kid can't get infected? Parents keep vaccinated kid home kid has measles kid doesn't have measles most or all of school is vaccinated impossible? kid can't infect anyone; kid can't get infected few or none of school is vaccinated impossible? kid can't infect anyone; kid can't get infected
It seems like the only dangerous situation would be if the kid was communicable, went to school, and most or all of the other kids were not vaccinated. But that would require the parents of the sick kid sending him to a school full of unvaccinated classmates.
If sending an kid with measles to school is a risk regardless of other kids' measles vaccinations, then what is the point of vaccinating against measles?
Edit: Or, for an uncharitable take: why not just let natural selection run its course?
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
Even if he was infectious, the vaccinated kids would be fine, right?
Unfortunately not, the vaccine is 95% effective. That's why you need basically everyone that can be vaccinated to be so, or the gaps start to line up.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
- If their kid does have measles, then why would his parents make him go to school and risk infecting others?
Because they are stupid and/or indifferent to harm of other kids.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
They didn't reverse time. They simply gave an appropriate impulse to cause the state to change to a value they had previously recorded.
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@djls45 That's like one time when I walked into a room and turned on the light, then reversed time by walking out and turning the light back off.
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
@djls45 That's like one time when I walked into a room and turned on the light, then reversed time by walking out and turning the light back off.
I once walked into a room and the light was already on.
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@MrL Was there a time traveler in the room? If you didn't see him he was probably hiding.
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
@MrL Was there a time traveler in the room? If you didn't see him he was probably hiding.
That's the best part, it was me, an hour earlier! Time travel!
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@MrL You better be careful, you can't just go around leaving lights on willy-nilly. It could create a time paradox, the results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe.
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
You better be careful, you can't just go around leaving lights on willy-nilly.
Someone should tell women that
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
@MrL You better be careful, you can't just go around leaving lights on willy-nilly. It could create a time paradox, the results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe.
Well, I did reach for the switch, expecting lights to be off, so there's that.
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@MrL said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
- If their kid does have measles, then why would his parents make him go to school and risk infecting others?
Because they are stupid and/or indifferent to harm of other kids.
Also because some diseases are communicable without the infected person having any noticeable symptoms. AIUI, when you get a cold, you are typically contagious for a day or two before you know you have a cold. Influenza and HIV are also commonly known to be contagious before symptoms develop. Typhoid Mary is believed to have infected 51 people over a period of years without ever having symptoms herself.
According to the interwebs (including the CDC, so I'm reasonably confident in the reliability), measles is contagious 4 days before the rash starts, so it's very likely that a parent will send an infected child to school because they don't know he/she is infected.
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@loopback0 I believe they explored the consequences of that in this documentary:
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@Zemm said in In other news today...:
Good old Gizmodo
It sort of makes sense—if you were getting seats to a football game, you’d prefer one near the 45.72m line rather than one of the end zones in order to see the most action, even if you’d occasionally be much closer to the players from the end zone. That’s sort of what’s going on here.
What kind of football has a "45.72m line"?
American football.
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@brie
Hand Egg?
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Most actions that are legal for authorized public personnel (such as ambulance drivers) are also legal for private citizens. It's just that certified, sworn or licensed professionals are given the benefit of the doubt more than private citizens doing the same thing.
No. Not in the US, anyway. Marked emergency vehicles are pretty much always allowed to run red lights at least while they have their lights and siren on, and depending on local laws they are often also allowed to exceed the posted speed limit and possibly to ignore other driving laws as well (like one-way streets).
You don't get the same privileges in a private vehicle, even if someone's life is in danger. (That said, police officers have broad discretion as to whether or not they issue a citation. They are not required to write a ticket for every violation that they witness.)
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@hungrier
What if it's a dimmer switch?
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
Let me translate that: "Oh, the school hasn't had an outbreak. Better make sure it has one!"
Sorry to rehash this yet again, but I'm trying to understand the mindset that says that absolutely everyone must be vaccinated. What about herd immunity? I would think that once a critical mass has been vaccinated, the rest would be generally safe enough.
Yes. Which part of "only 33% of the school's pupils had been vaccinated" was too difficult to understand, in light of the fact that measles need a fucking 95% vaccination rate? Measles is one of the most infectious diseases there is - every infected person is responsible for about 12 to 18 other infected people (if they aren't vaccinated, of course).
Just as a reference: Ebola has a rate of 1.5 to 2.5.
This 95% rate is needed because:
a) Not everyone can be vaccinated - immunocompromised people, children with allergies specific to the vaccine and others come to mind.
b) The vaccine itself is not a 100% guarantee. The first vaccination is about 93% effective, the second dose raises that to 95%.
c) There's also a minimum age before the first vaccination.And lastly: Measles has this fucking twist that you may get a deadly form of encephalitis up to ten(10) years after the illness. There is no known cure for that condition.
That one's a real fucker: Your child got measles when it was two years old and then you have to bury your child when it is 12.Granted, the rate is low (about 1 in 100,000) but it exists. And the chance to contract that condition is higher than the complication rate for the measles vaccination.
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@Rhywden Bottom line is that even if all the scaremongering were true, the benefits of vaccination may still outweigh the downsides. And if not now, then certainly in the past when diseases like smallpox were still around - a disease which kills over half of the infected, and permanently scars the rest.
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@PleegWat Polio is also nice. A hospital near my hometown had an iron lung on display in their reception hall. That thing was terrifiying.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
Let me translate that: "Oh, the school hasn't had an outbreak. Better make sure it has one!"
Sorry to rehash this yet again, but I'm trying to understand the mindset that says that absolutely everyone must be vaccinated. What about herd immunity? I would think that once a critical mass has been vaccinated, the rest would be generally safe enough.
Edit: Or, for an uncharitable take: why not just let natural selection run its course?
I’d be all for that, but unfortunately they don’t exist in isolation. Besides the already mentioned people relying on herd immunity because they cannot be vaccinated or because it was ineffective, there’s also the extremely capitalistic take: these idiots cost society a truckload of money.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@hungrier said in In other news today...:
You better be careful, you can't just go around leaving lights on willy-nilly.
Someone should tell women that
This a thousand! Or, at least, a very specific young woman who leaves on all the non-automated non-timer-attached lights without fail every morning. And since there is only one light in the house that doesn't match the prior criteria...
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@brie said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Most actions that are legal for authorized public personnel (such as ambulance drivers) are also legal for private citizens. It's just that certified, sworn or licensed professionals are given the benefit of the doubt more than private citizens doing the same thing.
No. Not in the US, anyway. Marked emergency vehicles are pretty much always allowed to run red lights at least while they have their lights and siren on, and depending on local laws they are often also allowed to exceed the posted speed limit and possibly to ignore other driving laws as well (like one-way streets).
You don't get the same privileges in a private vehicle, even if someone's life is in danger. (That said, police officers have broad discretion as to whether or not they issue a citation. They are not required to write a ticket for every violation that they witness.)
In Sweden, the police cannot break the traffic rules if they are not actively engaged in stopping ongoing crime, apart from that they are allowed to drive on walkways. The police rarely fine themselves for speeding or other traffic violations. The one exception I know of was an officer in the capital that stood in the garage of his precinct, and fined every single car that broke the parking speed limit of 20 kph.
He was not very well liked by his fellow officers, and was very well known in the motorcycle community as he was patrolling on a motorcycle. The motorcycle community sent him flowers sometimes, because why not?
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
HAh, I lol'd:
The clash between Apple and Qualcomm began two years ago, when the Federal Trade Commission, with help from Apple and Intel, accused Qualcomm of being a monopoly power in modem chips. The FTC argued that Qualcomm's royalty rates stopped competitors from entering the market and drove up phone prices.
The $31 million in damages -- or $1.41 per infringing iPhone
USD1.41 is fuck all in the price of an iPhone. This argument by FTC, Intel and Apple is complete shit.
And how does it stop competitors if it's too high? Wouldn't that rather help competitors since they'd have ample room to be cheaper?
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
And how does it stop competitors if it's too high? Wouldn't that rather help competitors since they'd have ample room to be cheaper?
They weren't talking about competing chip manufacturers. Their claim is that it's chilling to other phone vendors, since they'd have to pay the higher costs of Qualcomm chips in order to build phones.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
Their claim is that it's chilling to other phone vendors, since they'd have to pay the higher costs of Qualcomm chips in order to build phones.
Assuming those other manufacturers haven't found a different non-infringing way to achieve a similar effect, and aren't just already Qualcomm licensees.
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All in all it is a good year to short Intel.
Patches are surely inevitable and all, but they've also apparently managed to design themselves into a terrible security hole with speculative execution. Could this be the end of x86?
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
Could this be the end of x86?
Unlikely. It'll likely just make context switches much more expensive. Again.
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@pie_flavor Just how would one tell that a Hibs fan has brain damage anyway?
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
All in all it is a good year to short Intel.
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@topspin
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Another victory for the forces of anti-piracy!
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
I've always said that stuff like this will eventually make landfills very valuable property.
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
Another victory for the forces of anti-piracy!
Article I saw said the lost all content uploaded before 2016.
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@dcon Yeah, but it's MySpace. Would anybody even notice it was gone?
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Would anybody even notice it was gone?
TIL: MySpace still exist
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@dcon Yeah, but it's MySpace. Would anybody even notice it was gone?
It's the modern version of "if a tree fell in the forest..."
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How did the 737 Max was approved to fly with that flawed flight control system?
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Would anybody even notice it was gone?
TIL: MySpace still exist
TIL MySpace changed their site (again) in 2014. I can't remember the last time I logged in. My account still exists, and has only one photo - the profile picture. And I have 10 connections - all of whom are people I worked with at one of my previous jobs (yes, it was while I was in high school).
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor Just how would one tell that a Hibs fan has brain damage anyway?
Isn't brain damage the requirement for being one?
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
Isn't brain damage the requirement for being one?
I guess
I'm not sure that it's a bijective projection.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Would anybody even notice it was gone?
TIL: MySpace still exist
I vaguely remember signing up for it years ago then forgetting about it, and only being reminded of it whenever I check haveibeenpwned