Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Modern US homes have 240V/200A services as general standard for new homes.
Mine's 100A. But then I don't think I qualify as modern. House was built in 1941. I replaced a bunch of knob&tube aluminum wiring when I moved in in 95.
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@Atazhaia said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Three-phase is usually 480V, IIRC. Our services are 240V. So their 16A is the equivalent of 32A here.
As I said, a normal house would have a larger fuse. I, however, have a small house, so it doesn't need anything larger really. (3 rooms and kitchen counting the local way, 2 bedroom 1 bathroom counting the US way.)
Just don't run the microwave and hair dryer at same time, right?
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@dcon said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Modern US homes have 240V/200A services as general standard for new homes.
Mine's 100A. But then I don't think I qualify as modern. House was built in 1941. I replaced a bunch of knob&tube aluminum wiring when I moved in in 95.
Ours is 100A also, but built in the 60's. Adequate for our usage, but it would be nice to have 200A even if for nothing more than more spaces for breakers. Ours is completely full and I would like to add on some circuits.
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@acrow said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
'Course, the real joke is that the government's goal for EV-only is 2024 or thereabouts.
That gives your complex a few more years before they have to worry about it!
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@boomzilla said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Ahhhhh...we don't have an extra charge like that to my knowledge.
I'm sure we do - it's just buried in the "fine print" each month!
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Ours is completely full and I would like to add on some circuits.
You can get Tandem breakers that take a single space but supply 2 circuits
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@TimeBandit said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Ours is completely full and I would like to add on some circuits.
You can get Tandem breakers that take a single space but supply 2 circuits
They are not available for our 1960's breaker box. In fact I cannot buy any breakers for it.
I have an open 220V breaker since I replaced the electric cooktop with gas. If I ever have to add on breakers I will run a subpanel from there.
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
They are not available for our 1960's breaker box. In fact I cannot buy any breakers for it.
The cellar in my mom's house still had a very old porcelain fuse i.e. a piece of wire help in a porcelain holder, with no other protection. Of course, the thing was somewhat loose so every now and then the light wouldn't work any more so we had to tap the holder to put it back in place, which always produced some nice sparks. Given how long my parents lived in that house and the amount of work they did (or rather, did not), I'm pretty sure that fuse is older than any member of this forum, and perhaps even older than most forum members' parents.
When she moved recently, while emptying up cupboards, we found a nice spool of spare fuse wire, complete with its neat decades-old packaging. "Uh, do you think I'll need that in the new house?" "... no, not really." (maybe we should have left that for the new buyer!)
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@remi the Nope! Thread is
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Ours is 100A also, but built in the 60's. Adequate for our usage, but it would be nice to have 200A
My parents' house was built in the 50s (?) and 100A. All the big appliances (stove, oven, furnace, water heater, clothes dryer) were gas, so 100A was plenty, even for my dad's workshop. They upgraded to 200A when my mom bought a big new ceramic kiln. AFAIK, it wasn't too expensive to have the utility company do that, as they were just bringing it up to modern standards, and they could expect to recoup some of the cost by selling more power. Adding circuits to use the extra current available was, of course, entirely my parents' responsibility and paid out of their own pocket.
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@HardwareGeek said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
They upgraded to 200A when my mom bought a big new ceramic kiln. AFAIK, it wasn't too expensive to have the utility company do that, as they were just bringing it up to modern standards, and they could expect to recoup some of the cost by selling more power.
Our local utility doesn't see it that way. I posted about it a while back. They wanted to rake me over the coals for it.
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@Polygeekery In Germany, the default connection for a single home is 30 kW. You pay once for the setup (about 1,000€) and after that only for what you actually use.
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@Atazhaia said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@cvi said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
According to the numbers there, most can charge fully in 8-9 hours or less from a standard outlet.
Charging from a standard outlet is
and may lead to 
. Sure, electric cars comes with such a cord but it's really only for use if there's no other options and need charge now. You want a dedicated high-amp charging station, because otherwise you put too much strain on the socket. A family had their house burn down because they used a normal socket and the load got too much.Probably more from dodgy self-made wiring than anything else. A properly installed line will support the designated load over long periods of time. I suspect that they used the wrong wire diameter.
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Polygeekery In Germany, the default connection for a single home is 30 kW. You pay once for the setup (about 1,000€) and after that only for what you actually use.
Our utility company did not see it that way.
https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1392346
Is it just me or is search working better lately?
Also possible that I have learned to work around its retardery.
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Is it just me or is search working better lately?
It comes and goes...
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@kazitor said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@lolwhat said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Luhmann I'd Photoshop out the girl and paste in @Polygeekery's avatar, but sure.
Fiiiiine
Thanks for the new avatar.
Suppose I'll have to do a better job now.
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Atazhaia said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@cvi said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
According to the numbers there, most can charge fully in 8-9 hours or less from a standard outlet.
Charging from a standard outlet is
and may lead to . Sure, electric cars comes with such a cord but it's really only for use if there's no other options and need charge now. You want a dedicated high-amp charging station, because otherwise you put too much strain on the socket. A family had their house burn down because they used a normal socket and the load got too much.Probably more from dodgy self-made wiring than anything else. A properly installed line will support the designated load over long periods of time. I suspect that they used the wrong wire diameter.
Not necessarily. A loose connection is enough, apparently:
Karmivat kuvat todistavat - kotoasi voi löytyä yleinen sähköriski: ”Pitäähän näistä ihmisille tiedottaa”
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Asiantuntija esitteli Iltalehdelle omakotitalojen sähköriskit, jollaisiin hän törmää työssään aivan liian usein.
For those of you that don't read Finnish, the article warns about old loose connections heating up. Examples are shown of both screw-connections and regular sockets that are so old that the contacts have lost their elasticity.
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@acrow said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Not necessarily. A loose connection is enough, apparently:
Yes, the fallacy of @Rhywden's post was "self-made" because "professional" jobs are vulnerable to that sort of thing, too. Also, wiring of the appropriate age to have aluminum wires, which end up loosening themselves over time due to stuff like different rates of thermal expansion.
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@boomzilla said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@acrow said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Not necessarily. A loose connection is enough, apparently:
Yes, the fallacy of @Rhywden's post was "self-made" because "professional" jobs are vulnerable to that sort of thing, too. Also, wiring of the appropriate age to have aluminum wires, which end up loosening themselves over time due to stuff like different rates of thermal expansion.
Yeah, but a professional likely knows about this sort of stuff. With a layman's job you can already be glad that he doesn't mix up the leads.
By that logic, we don't need professional developers at all. Isn't that the kind of stuff you guys here are regularly griping about?
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
By that logic, we don't need professional developers at all. Isn't that the kind of stuff you guys here are regularly griping about?
For short-term fix-it-now jobs? The analogy is more appropriate than your sarcasm indicates you think...
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@boomzilla said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@acrow said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Not necessarily. A loose connection is enough, apparently:
Yes, the fallacy of @Rhywden's post was "self-made" because "professional" jobs are vulnerable to that sort of thing, too. Also, wiring of the appropriate age to have aluminum wires, which end up loosening themselves over time due to stuff like different rates of thermal expansion.
Yeah, but a professional likely knows about this sort of stuff. With a layman's job you can already be glad that he doesn't mix up the leads.
I don't assume either one necessarily knows
is going on. The professional will be long gone when the crap hits the fan. DIYers come in many forms.By that logic, we don't need professional developers at all. Isn't that the kind of stuff you guys here are regularly griping about?
Yeah, sure, no one here ever complains about software written by people paid to write it.
Did you even read what you wrote? Pretending that "professional" means good is seriously dumb for anyone who has spent any amount of time around here.
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@boomzilla said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@boomzilla said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@acrow said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Not necessarily. A loose connection is enough, apparently:
Yes, the fallacy of @Rhywden's post was "self-made" because "professional" jobs are vulnerable to that sort of thing, too. Also, wiring of the appropriate age to have aluminum wires, which end up loosening themselves over time due to stuff like different rates of thermal expansion.
Yeah, but a professional likely knows about this sort of stuff. With a layman's job you can already be glad that he doesn't mix up the leads.
I don't assume either one necessarily knows
is going on. The professional will be long gone when the crap hits the fan. DIYers come in many forms.By that logic, we don't need professional developers at all. Isn't that the kind of stuff you guys here are regularly griping about?
Yeah, sure, no one here ever complains about software written by people paid to write it.
Did you even read what you wrote? Pretending that "professional" means good is seriously dumb for anyone who has spent any amount of time around here.
I'm with Boomzilla here. Folks who do electrical installation in new buildings for a living (production electricians, if you will) generally are under quite a bit of pressure to get stuff done quickly, and that leads to shortcuts and/or "use whatever you have on the back of the truck to get the job done" work, as well as cost-cutting on parts in order to let more of the overall house-price go to 1) location 2) shiny features. This is before you get into any greasy-palm action involving the inspector...
(Generally, this is most commonly seen in cookie-cutter production homebuilding, but even high-end custom homes are not immune to this: I have seen brand-new, "builder showpiece" houses with electrical code violations in them.)
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@tarunik Ah, I see, you're using the US'ian level of quality provided.
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@Polygeekery Can you post pictures of said 1960s breaker box here, especially ones showing the labeling on the box clearly? (Or PM them to me if you aren't comfortable posting them here.) The era it's from combined with the lack of new-build breakers tells me that it's either
in the kind of way that can start a , or it's in the kind of way that drives folks insane beyond not being able to get parts for the thing.
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@Rhywden Check out John Ward's Youtube channel sometime if you want to see the UK version of the kind of
I am speaking of -- he has several vids of him going in and cleaning up turkey-work.
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@tarunik said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Rhywden Check out John Ward's Youtube channel sometime if you want to see the UK version of the kind of
I am speaking of -- he has several vids of him going in and cleaning up turkey-work.Well, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, that much is clear. Also, if you don't hire a supervisor when building a house you'll have a bad time, that is clear as well.
However, I really don't get your attitudes of "oh, the professionals are incapable of doing anything right!" And how exactly are we to know that this John Ward knows what he's talking about? Clearly we can't trust anyone.
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
I really don't get your attitudes of "oh, the professionals are incapable of doing anything right!"
It's part of the complex.
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@tarunik said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Rhywden Check out John Ward's Youtube channel sometime if you want to see the UK version of the kind of
I am speaking of -- he has several vids of him going in and cleaning up turkey-work.Well, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, that much is clear. Also, if you don't hire a supervisor when building a house you'll have a bad time, that is clear as well.
However, I really don't get your attitudes of "oh, the professionals are incapable of doing anything right!" And how exactly are we to know that this John Ward knows what he's talking about? Clearly we can't trust anyone.
What I'm saying is "just because the work was done by somebody who does it for a living, or even has a license to do it, doesn't mean it's auto-magically good." While @Atazhaia's off on your side of the pond, and thus doesn't have to worry about some things that have stuck around longer than they should have thanks to the builders' lobby (cough back-stabs hack), I am sure there are still shortcuts that get taken over there because they "work" at first, but create a risk of failure down the road, after everyone involved in the installation is long gone, and they are taken no matter what the electrical regs have to say about them.
Filed under: licensure is no substitute for doing one's homework
P.S. be glad that electrical work is taken as seriously as it is (on both sides of the pond -- while the US is somewhat more liberal about who does the work in many cases, we can be as strict/conservative or more so about how it is done). HVAC often isn't taken so seriously, especially when it comes to ducts, and some of the messes that get made in that world (by people who do it for a living!) are legendary in their awfulness. (Look up the word "ductopus" if you want to get an idea.)
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@tarunik I still don't get what your supposed solution is. Do everything yourself or what?
Also, don't put words in my mouth. Maybe read again what I actually wrote.
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@tarunik I still don't get what your supposed solution is. Do everything yourself or what?
Also, don't put words in my mouth. Maybe read again what I actually wrote.
Apologies if it sounded like I was inserting words into your mouth, that was not my intent whatsoever. The solution is to be picky about who you hire. Get referrals, look at their prior work, so on and so forth -- all the things that fall under "due diligence" but perhaps more so, instead of going with the low bid. (Also, if by "supervisor" you mean the Euro equivalent of a general contractor, that's no guarantee either.)
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@tarunik And I do not dispute that.
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@tarunik said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Polygeekery Can you post pictures of said 1960s breaker box here, especially ones showing the labeling on the box clearly? (Or PM them to me if you aren't comfortable posting them here.) The era it's from combined with the lack of new-build breakers tells me that it's either
in the kind of way that can start a , or it's in the kind of way that drives folks insane beyond not being able to get parts for the thing....you're back!! Where have you been?
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@Polygeekery Intermittently lurking. Saw your post about your breakers and it had me wondering if I could give some advice regarding that situation. Can't say much more than I already have without pics, though!
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@tarunik said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Can't say much more than I already have without pics, though!
You better be careful asking me for pics. You never know what you might get.
Seriously though, welcome back. I had intermittently wondered what happened to you.
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@boomzilla said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Hah! My house is a townhouse.
Me too!
I don't have a garage.
I do! And, a driveway in which I might park a second car. But I can understand the appeal of non-garage townhomes, especially given housing prices in your particular part of the world.
I'd have to run a cord across a sidewalk to get to my cars.
A couple of my current neighbors owned well-kept second and third generation Camaros, and they ran outside when I brought in the moving truck to make sure I didn't bump into their cars parked in the common lot in front of a row of non-garaged townhomes. While probably not the ideal first impression, their concerns were assuaged when I explained I was also a car enthusiast. I'm surprised they didn't opt for a garage.
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Seriously though, welcome back. I had intermittently wondered what happened to you.
Now we need to track down @FrostCat, @abarker, @flabdablet, and anyone else I may be forgetting....
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
You better be careful asking me for pics. You never know what you might get.
I'm hoping for a picture of a circuit breaker that's simultaneously NSFW…
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@tarunik said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Rhywden Check out John Ward's Youtube channel sometime if you want to see the UK version of the kind of
I am speaking of -- he has several vids of him going in and cleaning up turkey-work.Well, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, that much is clear.
No, this is for expensive work. Just like the software stuff. Jeez, you really are naive.
However, I really don't get your attitudes of "oh, the professionals are incapable of doing anything right!"
That's because this attitude is all in your head. The point, which is subtly different, was that you can get shoddy work from anyone.
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@Rhywden said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Also, don't put words in my mouth. Maybe read again what I actually wrote.
Now that is hilarious.
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@Groaner said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@boomzilla said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
Hah! My house is a townhouse.
Me too!
I don't have a garage.
I do! And, a driveway in which I might park a second car. But I can understand the appeal of non-garage townhomes, especially given housing prices in your particular part of the world.
I would love to have a garage but yeah, that's not what this neighborhood has. I have two reserved parking spots right in front of my house instead, which is convenient enough because I'm also not rich enough to be able to afford an electric car.
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@dkf said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
You better be careful asking me for pics. You never know what you might get.
I'm hoping for a picture of a circuit breaker that's simultaneously NSFW…
It is all a matter of what you point with.
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
It is all a matter of what you point with.
Sure, but GIS decided to go all fail on me for the search terms I used.
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@tarunik said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
it's either
in the kind of way that can start a That would be the ultimate irony
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@Polygeekery said in Apparently, charging an electric car is measured in Miles per Hour:
It is all a matter of what you point with.
Just the tip
