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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
I didn't really expect to find something on which I agree 100% with Justice RBG.
Once in a while, even the people who are most consistently wrong see some common sense.
That's why he agreed with RBG.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
And the licensing shitshow with 11
Well, OpenJDK seems to be GPL+linking exception, which should be fine for most purposes. And builds for Windows do exist.
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
Why bother with the upgrade hassle when there's no compelling reason?
Security support?
It has ended for âcommercial usersâ, but surprisingly it should continue for more than another year for âpersonal usersâš. Strange.
Also, at least RedHat promises at least 4 more years support for OpenJDK 8 (and 5 for OpenJDK 11)².
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@Captain said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla I haven't paid any attention to Java for like the last 15 years. Is anything interesting happening?
Oracle is being Oracle. Completely expected and boring.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
Lambdas get used to implement interfaces with a single unimplemented method like Runnable instead of introducing function types like Kotlin or function type types like C#.
Well, they have to implement interfaces like this for backward compati(de)bility reasonsâotherwise it wouldn't be usable with legacy APIsâand base class for functions would not really work with the way Java type-erases generics.
But it makes more sense to use Kotlin for new code, which has all the features too, a bit nicer, and can compile them down to JVM 1.6 as a bonus (since that is needed for Android).
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@Benjamin-Hall They've been mandatory on trucks for ages. My suspicion is that they've never gone there for cars mainly because speeding tickets are so lucrative. With the war on COâ emissions not going as easily as many would hope, mandating them for cars is an obvious move.
British "truck" = American "semi", "big-rig", or "18-wheeler"; not a pickup
Yes, as @PleegWat said, speed limiters are already mandatory on those not pickups.
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@PJH The driver in this case is the one who's supposed to have the stick up his ass, not the pedestrian.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Any one with any morality (which does not include everyone) agrees that murder, the intentional killing of an innocent human, is wrong.
Who decides that they are innocent? What even classifies as innocence?
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@Dragoon said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Any one with any morality (which does not include everyone) agrees that murder, the intentional killing of an innocent human, is wrong.
Who decides that they are innocent? What even classifies as innocence?
Yay, a discussion about basic principles! You must be fun at meetings!
"So, we covered all the topics, any last comments before we break this meeting up?"
"Yeah, we need to talk on how we're using underscores versus CamelCase naming conventions in classes and variables!
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@Dragoon said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Any one with any morality (which does not include everyone) agrees that murder, the intentional killing of an innocent human, is wrong.
Who decides that they are innocent? What even classifies as innocence?
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@Dragoon said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Any one with any morality (which does not include everyone) agrees that murder, the intentional killing of an innocent human, is wrong.
Who decides that they are innocent? What even classifies as innocence?
Yay, a discussion about basic principles! You must be fun at meetings!
"So, we covered all the topics, any last comments before we break this meeting up?"
"Yeah, we need to talk on how we're using underscores versus CamelCase naming conventions in classes and variables!Take it to another thread guys.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
Could you even get up to the speed limit on the highway?
2am is a thing.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
The module system breaks reflection, breaks explicit classloading, has no concept of versions, and still requires explicit classpath declaration instead of auto-loading neighboring jars.
The module system is what has caused us most problems when supporting 11 (and 8 at the same time). We're essentially not interested in it for our application â it's deploying in situations where the saving in disk is a total non-issue because the datasets being handled range into the terabyte-scale â but it thrusts its ugly nose in anyway, causing weird breakage and far too many irritating warnings. That's the sort of feature that is noxious.
The lambda and type inference issues you mention don't cause problems for us in practice.
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@DoctorJones That's kind of what I was implying.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
I didn't really expect to find something on which I agree 100% with Justice RBG.
Once in a while, even the people who are most consistently wrong see some common sense.
Ginsburg and Scalia were good friends. They liked to point out that most SCOTUS decisions were unanimous or close to it. It's just a (relatively) few controversial things that really divide the court. But I admit that I kind of expected asset forfeiture to be one of those, especially after eminent domain (Kelo). In any event, they left out details so it's possible that nothing much will change due to this decision.
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Honorary pet mayor.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
Honorary pet mayor.
The goat did not beat out humans. Humans were not eligible.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Jesus Christ, Peru needs to be glassed.
Your prayer will be granted, eventually.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@izzion said in In other news today...:
I guess that explains why my brothers went into programming and I'm just a lowly systems admin... I can't work without music
I wonder what style(s) of music they used for their tests. I would expect Baroque to have different results than screamo.
If Davinci had access to trap music we would've colonized Mars centuries ago
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
Could you even get up to the speed limit on the highway?
I swear you have seen our traffic!
I read this just after the tank one above and thought "why wouldn't they?"
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ZTE patent folding.
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@TimeBandit They were also ahead of the game on foldable tablets:
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
ZTE patent folding.
I'm tune in when they start patenting buttons.
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The new Skype for Web does not support Safari, Firefox, and Opera browsers.
Only Chrome and Edge
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@TimeBandit So they support Chromium and Chromium, but not
Chromiumanother Webkit, Firefox or Chromium.
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@izzion LOL!
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-amazon.html
Antitrust accusations? In 2019? I suddenly like Elizabeth Warren.
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@pie_flavor Some good comments in the comment section...
Can we also charge Brendan Eich for inventing JavaScript in the first place?
Does that mean I can get criminal charges filed against Web developers that make unresponsive web pages?
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Plus an $800000+ hospital bill. And they still won't let their kid(s) be vaccinated. Many suggestions in the comments that CPS should take the kids.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
As for my Wikipedia link, did you read it? I, for one, and unlike certain other denizens here, make sure my links actually relate to the discussion at hand.
I read enough to confirm that you use it in exactly the same as others who throw Wikipedia articles at me in response to my clear and specific points and questions. I read enough to see that it had nothing to do with the points at hand. People are trained in school to get credit for rambling in papers- but often the best responses are short and precise. Specific one or two sentence quotes from a Wikipedia article is fine. A whole article is almost always an obscuring tactic (or a genuine failure to understand the points), and it certainly appeared to be in this case.
My apologies, then. Such was not my intention.
To address your post again, but more directly:@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Did Darwin make it clear that:
- If it's just natural selection without progressive mutations, it's not evolution;
- If it's just progressive mutations without natural selection, is it evolution? (I assume the answer to this question is no.)
It seems to me that he would not have specifically excluded the first case, but a reference could convince me otherwise.
I doubt that Charles Darwin himself made such a carefully restricted definition of the term "evolution" in On the Origin of Species, so I was a little confused at your request. Most people today (including myself and, I'm sure, the article's author) don't usually mean Darwin's own ideas of evolution (which included pangenesis) when they talk about "Darwinian evolution," but rather they tend to mean the modern synthesis. Other types of evolutionary theory include Lamarckism, mutationism, orthogenesis, and saltationism.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Plus an $800000+ hospital bill. And they still won't let their kid(s) be vaccinated. Many suggestions in the comments that CPS should take the kids.
If the parents were so adamant against getting him medical treatment, why'd they even take him to the hospital in the first place? Or maybe they were just against any sort of injection and wanted some sort of oral or topical medication instead...?
OTOH, AFAIK, a tetanus vaccine seems less useful because if you get a potentially infected wound, they'll still want to give you another shot as part of the treatment even if you've already had the vaccination.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
If the parents were so adamant against getting him medical treatment,
AFAICT, they weren't against medical treatment, just vaccination. One of the comments notes that they were probably not opposed on religious grounds, as they allowed other treatment, including a vaccination while he was in the hospital (although they may not have been asked about that).
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The difference is less of a moral one and more of a difference in beliefs about facts.Disagree entirely.
The morality of both omnivores and herbivores says that it is wrong to kill a person.
"Person" is a vague word which is usually used to indicate humans. Any one with any morality (which does not include everyone) agrees that murder, the intentional killing of an innocent human, is wrong.
The difference in belief is that omnivores do not believe that animals are persons,
but herbivores believe that animals, if not persons,This reeks of a straw-man. If by "person" you mean human animals, then I'm not sure why you would have even insinuated that regarding non-human animals as human animals is something anyone would do.
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are at least very close to being persons, and so should be treated as nearly like persons as they can be.
Again, "person" is a very vague and intentionally ambiguous word in this context. Non-human animals are not human animals. But all animals, whether human, bovine, porcine, etc., share the ability to perceive, to experience pleasure and pain, and value their own lives and seek to maximize their happiness and minimize their suffering. But there is certainly a difference in magnitude, which I mentioned earlier.
You seem very concerned about the definition of "person" and what sorts of creatures qualify. That is an example of the difference I'm talking about.
Omnivorous humans and vegetarian humans believe that the definition of "person" allows or disallows, respectively, the eating of non-human animals.Omnivores have beliefs, even religious ones, that provide cover for their harmful actions and false views. I, on the other hand, investigate and consider carefully, and discard erroneous notions on the matter and arrive at logical and reasonable conclusions.
The harmfulness or innocuousness of an action and the falseness or truth of a view are factual issues, not moral ones.
Care and concern for accuracy and precision in the deliberation over an issue is an admirable quality (morally good), but the reasoning itself and the conclusions reached by it are themselves simply factual as well.Vegetarians do not require "beliefs". Omnivores do (even if they reject morality altogether, which requires the erroneous belief that only their happiness and suffering are important).
I'm using "beliefs" in a pretty broad sense here. Everyone has beliefs â or, if you prefer, axioms, postulates, bases, fundaments, or foundations â upon which their philosophy of reality/worldview/perspective of reality is based.
I'm also using "morality" in a fairly broad sense to mean any set of moral axioms, of which, again, everyone has such a set. You seem to be using it to mean a particular set.Note here that I'm not trying to say whether eating meat is a good or bad action. If omnivorous humans had the same beliefs of the facts as vegetarians, then they'd immediately become vegetarian. Conversely, if vegetarians had the same perspective on the facts at issue as the omnivores, they'd stop thinking it to be wrong to eat non-human animals. And in both of those cases, it would be for the same reason: they both have the same (or sufficiently similar) sense of morality. The difference is in what they believe are the facts about humans and non-human animals.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@Benjamin-Hall They've been mandatory on trucks for ages. My suspicion is that they've never gone there for cars mainly because speeding tickets are so lucrative. With the war on COâ emissions not going as easily as many would hope, mandating them for cars is an obvious move.
British "truck" = American "semi", "big-rig", or "18-wheeler"; not a pickup
Yes, as @PleegWat said, speed limiters are already mandatory on those not pickups.
Yes, but I was trying to be helpful to those who may not have known that particular difference between British and American brands of English. :)
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
how we're using underscores versus CamelCase
ITYM snake_case versus camelCase versus PascalCase.
Then there's vOwElcAsE, CoNSoNaNTCaSe, iNVERTEDpASCALcASE, finaLcasE, and the lovely chimera_Case.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@Benjamin-Hall They've been mandatory on trucks for ages. My suspicion is that they've never gone there for cars mainly because speeding tickets are so lucrative. With the war on COâ emissions not going as easily as many would hope, mandating them for cars is an obvious move.
British "truck" = American "semi", "big-rig", or "18-wheeler"; not a pickup
Yes, as @PleegWat said, speed limiters are already mandatory on those not pickups.
Yes, but I was trying to be helpful to those who may not have known that particular difference between British and American brands of English. :)
FWIW "truck" is also used to refer to pickups and some 4x4s in British English. In some areas of Britain the more common term for the American "semi" is "lorry".
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6tb of data?
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Plus an $800000+ hospital bill. And they still won't let their kid(s) be vaccinated. Many suggestions in the comments that CPS should take the kids.
I hope the insurance company is refusing to pay that.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
I remember back in the IE4 days bumping into a website which had the equivalent of:
window.oncontextmenu = function(){ alert("This page is copyrighted yada yada, don't right click, final warning, we'll crash your browser"); window.oncontextmenu = stackOverflow; } function stackOverflow() { stackOverflow(); } // Yup, this crashed the browser
Fun days.
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@Zecc and
window.location = 'http://stackoverflow.com/'
would crash your soul.
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@djls45 I do all my coding in mOcKinGSpoNgEbObCaSe
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Where's @blakeyrat to tell us how Boeing makes the best, most reliable planes?
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The MAX 8 could be grounded if a link is found
Go to your room and think about what you did.
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Trois-Rivière is competing with MontrÊal for biggest pothole
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@TimeBandit âSemi-trucks on the horizon, cap'n!â âDive! Dive! Dive!â
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