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@LaoC said in In other news today...:
@JBert said in In other news today...:
Quality reporting there.
Deposit boxes? That's nothing. The Trump junta does that with children.
Oh, yeah, real quality reporting by the ACLU there. </sarcasm>
In reality, what happened was that the government was legally obliged to release the kids, so it placed them with relatives (which may have even been the kids' own parents after the parents were done with the legal processing). It can't put trackers on them, so when the government tries to use its last known contact information to follow up on them after a month or two or several, often either the contact info has changed, so the government doesn't have current contact info, or the people refuse to answer the government's questions. And because the USA is not a police state, that is all perfectly legal and the authorities, with no cause for suspicion of criminal activity, have no jurisdiction any more.
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
Probably paywalled, but the salient part is here...
Hoteliers in the Scottish Highlands are being urged to learn Mandarin and provide chopsticks to capitalise on growing numbers of Chinese tourists.
The Highlands are becoming increasingly fashionable among Chinaâs burgeoning middle classes and super-rich and the Highland and Islands Enterprise development agency is organising China Ready workshops to help restaurateurs and businesses to cater for them.
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Monica Lee-Macpherson, chairwoman of the Scottish Highlands and Islands and Moray Chinese Association, said B&B owners should provide Pot Noodles and disposable chopsticks in rooms and urged restaurants to create picture menus.
But isn't one of the main reasons to tour abroad to try the native local cuisine?
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat Based solely on those two tweets, one of the two twits seems much more rational than the other.
Today I had a Brexshiteer tell me this gem:
If you think we will step back from the abyss I think and hope you are greatly mistaken.
When I told him that this wasn't the best way to phrase it he didn't understand me. Quelle surprise.
He was saying that he thought and hoped that you were greatly mistaken about it being an abyss to step back from, in addition to his stated resolve that they won't step back.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@PJH said in In other news today...:
Probably paywalled, but the salient part is here...
Hoteliers in the Scottish Highlands are being urged to learn Mandarin and provide chopsticks to capitalise on growing numbers of Chinese tourists.
The Highlands are becoming increasingly fashionable among Chinaâs burgeoning middle classes and super-rich and the Highland and Islands Enterprise development agency is organising China Ready workshops to help restaurateurs and businesses to cater for them.
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Monica Lee-Macpherson, chairwoman of the Scottish Highlands and Islands and Moray Chinese Association, said B&B owners should provide Pot Noodles and disposable chopsticks in rooms and urged restaurants to create picture menus.
But isn't one of the main reasons to tour abroad to try the native local cuisine?
I had that some years ago when my boss, knowing that I was taking Japanese classes in community college, asked for recommendations to take some Japanese colleagues for sushi when they visited Phoenix.
I told him that if I were actually Japanese, I wouldn't be all that impressed by what sushi from Phoenix is like, and suggested instead taking them to a big homestyle Mexican restaurant, or a cowboy-type western steakhouse, so they could say they'd experienced the Arizona lifestyle.
I think he accepted my logic and went for the steakhouse.
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@anonymous234 said in In other news today...:
What happens when a terrible director tries to intentionally make a terrible movie? We'll probably find out.
At least it's not a baby one.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@JBert Well, here's the thing: Someone complained so the authorities are required to act on that complaint.
And it also might very well turn out that the ultimate conclusion will be: "No need to do something about it."
Also applicable:
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@PJH said in In other news today...:
Darwin in action...
So, let me get this straight, African elephants are losing genetic information (no more tusks), thereby narrowing their DNA pool, and this is somehow an example of Darwinian evolution (i.e. "molecules to man")? It sounds more like "devolution" to me.
Natural selection? Sure. Evolution? Hardly.Evolution basically means that organisms adapt to their environment via natural selection, and continue to adapt when the environment changes. They're not necessarily losing genetic information - the information is simply changing. It is probable that if poaching was eliminated that their tusks would come back.
Only if tusks don't get completely eliminated from the gene pool.
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
@lolwhat said in In other news today...:
No, that's teton.
German crusaders?
No, those were Teutons.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
youâd still find reasons to dismiss all evidence.
Exactly what evidence did I dismiss?
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@anonymous234 said in In other news today...:
What happens when a terrible director tries to intentionally make a terrible movie? We'll probably find out.
At least it's not a baby one.
Fuck you very much, now I have that song in my head, and must make others suffer:
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
Only if tusks don't get completely eliminated from the gene pool.
That's highly unlikely; complete gene silencing may occur, but elimination of the gene will take quite a lot longer.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@PJH said in In other news today...:
Darwin in action...
So, let me get this straight, African elephants are losing genetic information (no more tusks), thereby narrowing their DNA pool, and this is somehow an example of Darwinian evolution (i.e. "molecules to man")? It sounds more like "devolution" to me.
Natural selection? Sure. Evolution? Hardly.Evolution basically means that organisms adapt to their environment via natural selection, and continue to adapt when the environment changes. They're not necessarily losing genetic information - the information is simply changing. It is probable that if poaching was eliminated that their tusks would come back.
Only if tusks don't get completely eliminated from the gene pool.
Mutations tend to do things in the simplest way possible. Think of it like a lazy programmer. I would bet that the relevant DNA would be turned off (cff. an exclamation point in C-based languages) rather than all of the relevant code being removed completely.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
cff. an exclamation point in C-based languages
Gene silencing is more like commenting out. And yes, with all the implications that comments drift from their original useâŚ
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@dkf If you comment it back in it probably won't compile?
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@dkf If you comment it back in it probably won't compile?
That could explain the current generation of teenagers
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
youâd still find reasons to dismiss all evidence.
Exactly what evidence did I dismiss?
Generally speaking, the complete, broad body of evidence for evolution.
In this case, just the evidence that something is happening (assuming itâs correct) you dismissed as no-true-scotsmanevolution.
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@M_Adams said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@anonymous234 said in In other news today...:
What happens when a terrible director tries to intentionally make a terrible movie? We'll probably find out.
At least it's not a baby one.
Fuck you very much, now I have that song in my head, and must make others suffer:
I see your baby shark and raise you scary flying shark:
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From sharks back to lawyers:
"The judge said, 'Mr. Dinetz you have been sentenced to life'. [...]"
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@M_Adams said in In other news today...:
@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@anonymous234 said in In other news today...:
What happens when a terrible director tries to intentionally make a terrible movie? We'll probably find out.
At least it's not a baby one.
Fuck you very much, now I have that song in my head, and must make others suffer:
doo doo doo doo
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Having driven a lot of tractors, those motorbike riders must be pretty shit at takeoffs if there's gonna be anything close to a race.That said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yHl24QynOM
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Women gets stuck in air vent, "did not remember how she ended up in the vent".
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@JBert said in In other news today...:
Women gets stuck in air vent, "did not remember how she ended up in the vent".
Drugs. I'm guessing drugs.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
@JBert said in In other news today...:
Women gets stuck in air vent, "did not remember how she ended up in the vent".
Drugs. I'm guessing drugs.
I'm guessing she was robbing the place and chose not to self-incriminate. If TFA makes any claim she lived there it's not something I have taken into account. I think sufficient alcohol could do this, too.
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Really no idea what was going on here:
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
@JBert said in In other news today...:
Women gets stuck in air vent, "did not remember how she ended up in the vent".
Drugs. I'm guessing drugs.
I'm guessing she was robbing the place and chose not to self-incriminate. If TFA makes any claim she lived there it's not something I have taken into account. I think sufficient alcohol could do this, too.
That works too.
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Kansas
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
Two bills introduced in the Kansas House on Wednesday generate funding for human trafficking programs
Um, phrasing?
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
The line break before the last word in the heading made me wonder for a moment if I'd missed some cultural revolution that would have changed the Chinese preference for opium.
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@djls45 said in In other news today...:
@LaoC said in In other news today...:
@JBert said in In other news today...:
Quality reporting there.
Deposit boxes? That's nothing. The Trump junta does that with children.
Oh, yeah, real quality reporting by the ACLU there. </sarcasm>
My quote isn't from their reporting. The wording "it is likely that the Government separated thousands more families than it previously reported" is verbatim from the Inspector General; the "delta" expression is from an ORR witness statement.
In reality, what happened was that the government was legally obliged to release the kids, so it placed them with relatives (which may have even been the kids' own parents after the parents were done with the legal processing). It can't put trackers on them, so when the government tries to use its last known contact information to follow up on them after a month or two or several, often either the contact info has changed, so the government doesn't have current contact info, or the people refuse to answer the government's questions. And because the USA is not a police state, that is all perfectly legal and the authorities, with no cause for suspicion of criminal activity, have no jurisdiction any more.
You'd think in that case they would have a clear and unambiguous record that "child X was discharged based on legal provision A, to person Y, related to hir in this and that way, last known address Z". At least that's how it would work in the Latin American shithole where I adopted my son. In the US, the data is apparently sometimes "ambiguous and open to different interpretations"
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@JBert said in In other news today...:
From sharks back to lawyers:
"The judge said, 'Mr. Dinetz you have been sentenced to life'. [...]"
I hope it lasts. The guy sounds like a keeper.
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@LaoC said in In other news today...:
@PJH said in In other news today...:
The line break before the last word in the heading made me wonder for a moment if I'd missed some cultural revolution that would have changed the Chinese preference for opium.
I'm sure I'm ing here, but just in case:
It was the British who imposed opium on China. It was illegal in Britain, and the Chinese wanted it to be illegal in China too, and the British waged war on China to get them to submit so they would have a market for opium. (In case anyone has ever doubted that the British Empire could be pure evil.)
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The line break before the last word in the heading made me wonder for a moment if I'd missed some cultural revolution that would have changed the Chinese preference for opium.
I'm sure I'm ing here, but just in case:
It was the British who imposed opium on China. It was illegal in Britain, and the Chinese wanted it to be illegal in China too, and the British waged war on China to get them to submit so they would have a market for opium.
Sure, but at least nowadays it has more of a culture here than in the West. Much more than pot anyway.
(In case anyone has ever doubted that the British Empire could be pure evil.)
Certainly - a similar thing happened with homosexuality in Muslim countries BTW. Their usual rabid anti-gay attitude is just well-learned Victorian morals.
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@LaoC said in In other news today...:
@jinpa said in In other news today...:
The line break before the last word in the heading made me wonder for a moment if I'd missed some cultural revolution that would have changed the Chinese preference for opium.
I'm sure I'm ing here, but just in case:
It was the British who imposed opium on China. It was illegal in Britain, and the Chinese wanted it to be illegal in China too, and the British waged war on China to get them to submit so they would have a market for opium.
Sure, but at least nowadays it has more of a culture here than in the West. Much more than pot anyway.
(In case anyone has ever doubted that the British Empire could be pure evil.)
Certainly - a similar thing happened with homosexuality in Muslim countries BTW. Their usual rabid anti-gay attitude is just well-learned Victorian morals.
Hah, no. Islam started about 1000 years before the Victorian era. Indeed, I would be surprised if homosexual actions were openly tolerated in China at any point until the recent liberalization, if even then.
Adjectives like "rabid" reflect more on the speaker than the subject. They are buzz words used to shut down intelligent discussion.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
Certainly - a similar thing happened with homosexuality in Muslim countries BTW. Their usual rabid anti-gay attitude is just well-learned Victorian morals.
Hah, no. Islam started about 1000 years before the Victorian era.
Obviously. Its adherents' anti-gay attitude however did not.
Indeed, I would be surprised if homosexual actions were openly tolerated in China at any point until the recent liberalization, if even then.
Adjectives like "rabid" reflect more on the speaker than the subject. They are buzz words used to shut down intelligent discussion.
Yeah, it's kinda like "pure evil".
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@LaoC said in In other news today...:
Obviously. Its adherents' anti-gay attitude however did not.
Your link does not support your argument at all. This is often the case when someone replies with a Wikipedia link rather than a more specific argument. From the link you gave: "Homosexual acts are forbidden in traditional Islamic jurisprudence and are liable to different punishments, including the death penalty, depending on the situation and legal school. "
Indeed, I would be surprised if homosexual actions were openly tolerated in China at any point until the recent liberalization, if even then.
I would have been surprised if your link had supported your point. It does not. If you're intellectually capable of presenting specific points, then please go ahead. If not, then please just continue pasting Wikipedia links that don't support your points.
Adjectives like "rabid" reflect more on the speaker than the subject. They are buzz words used to shut down intelligent discussion.
Yeah, it's kinda like "pure evil".
Not really. For most of human history, with some notable exceptions (such as ancient Greece and Rome), homosexual actions have not been openly tolerated, though enforcement has varied. The idea that a view which has been the mainstream of human society for so long is "rabid" redefines "rabid" (the quality of having rabies) in a strange kind of way. By way of comparison, I believe in free speech, but I would not describe kings or other rulers who did not tolerate criticism as being "rabid".
On the other hand, there is an intelligent understanding of "evil". Evil is when you inflict things on others that you would not wish to be inflicted on yourself. Most of the time there are surrounding issues which can cloud the issue - but in the British/Chinese opium example there was no such clouding.
I think you might find Wikipedia's Random Article feature to be equally effective at supporting your arguments as what you have been doing up until this point.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@LaoC said in In other news today...:
Obviously. Its adherents' anti-gay attitude however did not.
Your link does not support your argument at all. This is often the case when someone replies with a Wikipedia link rather than a more specific argument.
If you think the following did not support it, please provide an explanation or point me to another part you think contradicted it.
Homosexual acts are forbidden in traditional Islamic jurisprudence and are liable to different punishments, including the death penalty, depending on the situation and legal school. However, homosexual relationships were generally tolerated in pre-modern Islamic societies, and historical record suggests that these laws were invoked infrequently, mainly in cases of rape or other "exceptionally blatant infringement on public morals". Homoerotic themes were cultivated in poetry and other literary genres written in major languages of the Muslim world from the eighth century into the modern era. The conceptions of homosexuality found in classical Islamic texts resemble the traditions of Graeco-Roman antiquity, rather than modern Western notions of sexual orientation. It was expected that many or most mature men would be sexually attracted to both women and male adolescents (variously defined), and men were expected to wish to play only an active role in homosexual intercourse once they reached adulthood.
Public attitudes toward homosexuality in the Ottoman empire and elsewhere in Muslim world underwent a marked change during the 19th century under the influence of the sexual notions and norms prevalent in Europe at that time, and homoeroticism began to be regarded as abnormal and shameful.Indeed, I would be surprised if homosexual actions were openly tolerated in China at any point until the recent liberalization, if even then.
I would have been surprised if your link had supported your point. It does not. If you're intellectually capable of presenting specific points, then please go ahead. If not, then please just continue pasting Wikipedia links that don't support your points.
Sigh. Here you go.
The political ideologies, philosophies, and religions of ancient China regarded homosexual relationships as a normal facet of life, and in some cases, promoted homosexual relationships as exemplary. Ming Dynasty literature, such as Bian Er Chai (ĺźčéľ/ĺźčé), portrays homosexual relationships between men as enjoyable relationships. Writings from the Liu Song Dynasty claimed that homosexuality was as common as heterosexuality in the late 3rd century
Adjectives like "rabid" reflect more on the speaker than the subject. They are buzz words used to shut down intelligent discussion.
Yeah, it's kinda like "pure evil".
Not really. For most of human history, with some notable exceptions (such as ancient Greece and Rome), homosexual actions have not been openly tolerated, though enforcement has varied.
Right. "Such as" ancient Greece and Rome, and:
The conceptions of homosexuality found in classical Islamic texts resemble the traditions of Graeco-Roman antiquity, rather than modern Western notions of sexual orientation.
The idea that a view which has been the mainstream of human society for so long
You have a rather narrow view of what is "human society". Here, I'll quote it for you so you don't have to make an effort:
Drawing on anthropological studies of the pre-colonial and colonial eras, it is possible to document a vast array of same-sex practises and diverse understandings of gender across the entire continent.
Examples include: [...]- In the late 1640s, a Dutch military attachĂŠ documented Nzinga, a warrior woman in the Ndongo kingdom of the Mbundu, who ruled as ââkingâ rather than ââqueenâ, dressed as a man and surrounded herself with a harem of young men who dressed as women and who were her ââwivesâ.[...]
*In traditional, monarchical Zande culture, anthropological records described homosexuality as ââindigenousâ. The Azande of the Northern Congo ââroutinely marriedâ younger men who functioned as temporary wives â a practise that was institutionalised to such an extent that warriors would pay ââbridepriceâ to the young manâs parents.[...] - Amongst Bantu-speaking Pouhain farmers (Bene, Bulu, Fang, Jaunde, Mokuk, Mwele, Ntum and Pangwe) in present-day Gabon and Cameroon, homosexual intercourse was known as bian nkĂťâmaâ a medicine for wealth which was transmitted through sexual activity between men.
- In the early 17th century in present-day Angola, Portuguese priests Gaspar Azevereduc and Antonius Sequerius encountered men who spoke, sat and dressed like women, and who entered into marriage with men. Such marriages were ââhonored and even prizedâ.
Once the Spanish arrived, in the 16th century, they were astonished at the sexual practices of the natives. Viceroy Francisco de Toledo and the priests were aghast to discover that homosexuality was accepted and that the indigenous population also did not prohibit premarital sex or hold female chastity to be of any particular importance.
Historian Maximo Terrazos describes how the Spanish reconciled this native sexuality with the Catholic faith:
"Toledo ordered natives evangelized and those "caught cohabiting outside church-sanctioned wedlock would receive 100 lashes with a whip 'to persuade these Indians to remove themselves from this custom so detrimental and pernicious'. Toledo also issued several decrees aimed at creating near total segregation of the sexes in public. Violations were punishable by 100 lashes and two years' service in pestilential state hospitals. Under the Inquisition, brought to Peru in 1569, homosexuals could be burned at the stake."
ââMaximo Terrazos, historianis "rabid" redefines "rabid" (the quality of having rabies) in a strange kind of way. By way of comparison, I believe in free speech, but I would not describe kings or other rulers who did not tolerate criticism as being "rabid".
Antisemitism has at least a thousand-year history. That doesn't preclude calling people who kill others out of antisemitic motives "rabid".
On the other hand, there is an intelligent understanding of "evil". Evil is when you inflict things on others that you would not wish to be inflicted on yourself.
You mean like any kind of punishment? Or in the case of opium, "free trade"?
- In the late 1640s, a Dutch military attachĂŠ documented Nzinga, a warrior woman in the Ndongo kingdom of the Mbundu, who ruled as ââkingâ rather than ââqueenâ, dressed as a man and surrounded herself with a harem of young men who dressed as women and who were her ââwivesâ.[...]
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@LaoC said in In other news today...:
The line break before the last word in the heading
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@LaoC said in In other news today...:
Right. "Such as" ancient Greece and Rome, and:
The conceptions of homosexuality found in classical Islamic texts resemble the traditions of Graeco-Roman antiquity, rather than modern Western notions of sexual orientation.
Interesting, since the difference between Greek homosexuality and modern homosexuality is that Greek homosexuality generally involved young boys, and Islam is generally very gung-ho about child relationships.
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
@LaoC said in In other news today...:
The line break before the last word in the heading
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Dunno, both Firefox and Chromium break the line after "Pot" here. It's not my screen width.
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@LaoC Probably something related to theme, font size and
max-width
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
Having driven a lot of tractors, those motorbike riders must be pretty shit at takeoffs if there's gonna be anything close to a race.
Well, tractor racing is a very Somerset thing. Drunken tractor racing is kinda peak Somerset.
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@kazitor said in In other news today...:
@LaoC Probably something related to theme, font size and
max-width
User-specific CSS.
My point was, descriptions like 'the line break before...' are unlikely to be the same for everyone.
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A sex toy sales director was sacked after he changed the company's .org domain name without realising its closeness to 'orgasm'.
Yes Yes.org, which specialises in making natural lubricants, was founded by Susi Lennox, 73, and Sarah Brooks, 58, who chose to use '.org' in its domain name because they found it âamusingâ due to its closeness to the word âorgasmâ.
What is not explained is why the change
resulted in a significant loss of sales for the business
When (boring detail follows)
server { server_name yesyes.com; return 301 http://yesyes.org; }
or similar, shouldn't have been that difficult. Unless he simply let the ownership of the
.org
drop..In the interests of science...
- yesyes.org seems to be a placeholder for a parked domain
- yesyes.com times out.
- yesyesyes.org seems to be them
- yesyesyes.com redirects to .org above.
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
boring
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@PJH said in In other news today...:
Sarah Brooks, 58, who chose to use '.org' in its domain name because they found it âamusingâ due to its closeness to the word âorgasmâ.
.com is close to .cum
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