How to deal with a dishonest co-worker
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@Carnage said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
same time by a mass coronal ejection event in Sol.
Do we have ballpark estimates as to when this might happen so I can sync my notice period with the event?
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@Carnage said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
same time by a mass coronal ejection event in Sol.
Do we have ballpark estimates as to when this might happen so I can sync my notice period with the event?
Soon's I can get this fucker to work right. I'll let you know.
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@Gribnit hurry up pretty please I've been in IT for 5 years and I think I'm done. I am tired of this shit
No homo but I'll suck dick for free if people with 20 years experience and such can tell me how they did it
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@stillwater I think complacency is the key to it. Pro bono unqualified advice.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
No homo but I'll suck dick for free if people with 20 years experience and such can tell me how they did it
I don't see how anyone could suck someone's dick for 20 years continuously.
Also, working a long time in IT is really about managing to end up with colleagues you respect and who respect you back. You don't have to agree with them, but you do need to be able to feel that when they make a decision on something they've got a good reason and have taken into account what the various constraints on solutions are. Also vice versa; no way you get real respect from others if your own decisions aren't worthy of it.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Where in the fuck do people have the energy and time to behave like assholes and play office politics?
Less work, more politics.
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@loopback0 said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Where in the fuck do people have the energy and time to behave like assholes and play office politics?
Less work, more politics.
Yep. If your job doesn't involve working it leaves all the time in the world for politics.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@Gribnit said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
The downturn is just part of the world gearing up for the next World War.
Oh okay... Wait there s a war coming too? I hope there s some sort of war where nobody gets killed and all the computers go down. We can finally go outdoors and do physical work and not have to look at screens all the fucking time
I have dug a few small-scale ditches by hand and I can tell you that it's no fun at all. Be careful what you wish for.
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@JBert if all the computers were borked, a good ol' backhoe would still function just fine
More seriously, I do often note that people who wish for such a technological apocalypse haven't actually done all the "honest work" they claim they would do, and don't realise how good they already have it.
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@kazitor said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@JBert if all the computers were borked, a good ol' backhoe would still function just fine
It's not the backhoe I'm worried about, it's wartime shortages or price hikes of the gas powering it.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@Carnage said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
same time by a mass coronal ejection event in Sol.
Do we have ballpark estimates as to when this might happen so I can sync my notice period with the event?
I think it averages out to one every 100 years or so, and we had one late 1800s so we're about due for one.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Where in the fuck do people have the energy and time to behave like assholes and play office politics?
Well one of the things they probably aren't doing is:
busy [working] from morning till evening.
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@kazitor said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
don't realise how good they already have it
I agree. If I was born 20 years sooner than I did, I don't think I would survive.
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@stillwater I hated it.
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@Zecc said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Honestly, the feeling I got from reading your post is that you're under a lot of pressure and just needed to vent.
I hope you've had a good rest and have cleared your thoughts in the mean time.Well I had lets say a very successful meet-up with a young lady I met in the bar.
Also I dunno if this is your or other people saying to keep him at arms length. That is just how it is going to have to be from now on.
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@sweaty_gammon why would you say that in jest. Web development IS a pain in the ass.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@sweaty_gammon why would you say that in jest. Web development IS a pain in the ass.
All development is. Anything that isn't trivial is full of hardships, total wtfs, dealing with horrible people. It is character building.
I was actually enjoying writing code today. It was totally 100% hackery but I was loving it. it was difficult nasty legacy code and I was managing through pushing the limits of C# and javascript make this pile of crap deliver stuff.
To paraphrase Kennedy "We do it because it is hard, not because it is easy."
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This is like a graph of me with JavaScript over the years
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@sweaty_gammon said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
It was totally 100% hackery
Is there another kind?!
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My path to JS Zen.
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@sweaty_gammon You endured too long. I gave up when I reached the first dip in the curve. This shit ain't for me.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@sweaty_gammon You endured too long. I gave up when I reached the first dip in the curve. This shit ain't for me.
It is like the heroes Journey. Don't give up. You must become indifferent to the suffering.
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@sweaty_gammon said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
To paraphrase Kennedy "We do it because it is hard, not because it is easy."
I'd settle for "doesn't make me want to shout at the computer".
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@loopback0 I always find people more of a problem than the code itself.
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@sweaty_gammon said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@loopback0 I always find people more of a problem than the code itself.
Same here.
I'm glad computers aren't mind-controlled because like 50% of my Sent Items would be emails along the lines of "Go away you fucking cockwomble".
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@dkf said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Also, working a long time in IT is really about managing to end up with colleagues you respect and who respect you back.
I get the rather strong impression that there's not much of that to be found in India.
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@HardwareGeek said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@dkf said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Also, working a long time in IT is really about managing to end up with colleagues you respect and who respect you back.
I get the rather strong impression that there's not much of that to be found in India.
The entire Indian IT industry should be fired into space.
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@HardwareGeek said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@dkf said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Also, working a long time in IT is really about managing to end up with colleagues you respect and who respect you back.
I get the rather strong impression that there's not much of that to be found in India.
Not much of that to be found in US corporates, either. Maybe privately helds are better, dunno, they generally can't afford me.
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@JBert said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@Gribnit said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
The downturn is just part of the world gearing up for the next World War.
Oh okay... Wait there s a war coming too? I hope there s some sort of war where nobody gets killed and all the computers go down. We can finally go outdoors and do physical work and not have to look at screens all the fucking time
I have dug a few small-scale ditches by hand and I can tell you that it's no fun at all. Be careful what you wish for.
Especially if you accidentally punch a hole in a water pipe or cable TV cable. BTDT. Water pipe, twice. Cable TV, fortunately I only broke the PVC conduit the cable was in, not the cable itself.
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@loopback0 said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@sweaty_gammon said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
To paraphrase Kennedy "We do it because it is hard, not because it is easy."
I'd settle for "doesn't make me want to shout at the computer".
I don't think that's possible.
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@sweaty_gammon said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
I am thinking if I have a conversation with him again, I will be recording it.
Communicate by email.
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@Carnage said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
But man, he was a complete ass the whole fucking time he tried to break me. He'd stand right in from of me and the whole team and loudly double check every last fucking thing I said I did, calling people up and asking, he'd require me to give him completely fucking useless reports, and he'd complain to every other manager for the slightest infraction, real or imaginary.
And he'd involve management about 3 layers up in every email where he questioned or accused me of anything. I guess it was to scare me into submission or something, but fuck that. I don't do submission, nor do I suffer fools.I'm surprised Boss +1, +2, and +3 didn't eventually respond with a "Why the fuck am I being cc'ed on this conversation?" after enough instances of this behavior.
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@Gribnit said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
All in all, 90% of your coworkers are utter crap. Since Sturgeon's applies to everything, this means that about 9% of them will be politics-playing shitweasels (since all the crap incompetents on merit will try to, but most will be crap incompetents at politics). These 9% will always become the management.
The odds of being good at merit and good at politics (that is, your chance of having a good manager) are 1 in a 100. So, you see that Sturgeons has predicted the ratio of good to terrible managers as well. If you think that means that the 1 good manager will be in any way advantaged vs the 9 terrible managers - no, this is not the case, there are more of them.
The only problem here is that you are treating political aptitude as an independent variable. I have found that programming aptitude and mastery of office politics are negatively correlated.
Seriously, it's time for licensure and a professional organization. Then all you have to worry about are the people playing politics with the licensing board - and they'll be at C-level.
If we actually y'know, worked like any other profession that requires the knowledge and skill level we use, there'd be an ethics board for shit like this.
This seems like a good idea on the surface, but I think a Programming Licenseā¢ will make things worse than they currently are. Without going too deep into the issue, I'll just begin by posing the rhetorical question of how certifications would work (given that existing certifications aren't really worth the paper they're printed on, and only relevant for perhaps a couple years before technologies change and the industry shifts).
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@Groaner eh, certifications is optional, licensure is to basics and professional ethics
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@Groaner said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@Carnage said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
But man, he was a complete ass the whole fucking time he tried to break me. He'd stand right in from of me and the whole team and loudly double check every last fucking thing I said I did, calling people up and asking, he'd require me to give him completely fucking useless reports, and he'd complain to every other manager for the slightest infraction, real or imaginary.
And he'd involve management about 3 layers up in every email where he questioned or accused me of anything. I guess it was to scare me into submission or something, but fuck that. I don't do submission, nor do I suffer fools.I'm surprised Boss +1, +2, and +3 didn't eventually respond with a "Why the fuck am I being cc'ed on this conversation?" after enough instances of this behavior.
It got drowned out in the deluge of mails that managers got at that company. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they pretty much just dumped all the mails from him that they didn't initiate into the junk folders. When I went to manager+2 or +3 and asked WTF is going on they were all very clear about them not having anything to do with it.
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@sweaty_gammon You endured too long. I gave up when I reached the first dip in the curve. This shit ain't for me.
The only times I really use Javascript are:
- Popup confirmations before deleting a record instead of a postback/callback to do the same within the page
- Select All button to toggle select/unselect every checkbox in a checkbox list
- Callbacks for Devexpress controls (e.g. refreshing a child grid based on a parameter change in a parent grid, or handling custom edit/save gridview events for custom-template edit controls)
I believe this means my skillset is outdated for 2019, as I still work on ASP.NET Webforms applications when everyone's supposed to be using ASP.NET Marvel vs. Capcom and writing their application in jQuery to talk to a webservice backend. Or something.
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@Groaner Your frontend is not cool unless it is Angular, React, or Ember, afaik. Although if you go hard-retro enough with VanillaJS you can hipster your way in.
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@Gribnit The entire thing must be built from npm packages with zero original thought on your part.
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@kazitor said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@Gribnit The entire thing must be built from npm packages with zero original thought on your part.
well duh
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@Gribnit said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@HardwareGeek said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@dkf said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Also, working a long time in IT is really about managing to end up with colleagues you respect and who respect you back.
I get the rather strong impression that there's not much of that to be found in India.
The entire Indian IT industry should be fired into space.
Hey.. I don't wanna be fired into space with the rest of em :(
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@stillwater said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@Gribnit said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@HardwareGeek said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
@dkf said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
Also, working a long time in IT is really about managing to end up with colleagues you respect and who respect you back.
I get the rather strong impression that there's not much of that to be found in India.
The entire Indian IT industry should be fired into space.
Hey.. I don't wanna be fired into space with the rest of em :(
Let me rephrase this... You get to go to space!
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@Gribnit For what it's worth I try to not be THAT Indian software developer as much as possible. I usually stay out of you guys' way and don't work on any outsourced projects.
BUT the Indian IT industry is going to stay and things are getting so fucked. There are so many things wrong happening here if you come and actually visit the offices and see firsthand you will be appalled. I am not talking about firms that are doing work for the biggest companies in the US and UK. The amount of shit developers have gone up due to certain lower barriers to entry and they are just gonna keep coming.
So yeah wishful thinking firing into space but the Indian IT industry is gonna spread like a virus and we are all gonna suffer.
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@stillwater I've noticed a trend in western companies where they stopped sending important stuff to india, and mostly just ship off shit thats on life support and have a fairly soonish kill off date.
Not all of them though...
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The answer was staring us in the
faceback of the head
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@Jaloopa said in How to deal with a dishonest co-worker:
The answer was staring us in the
faceback of the headAnd breathe heavily.
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@Luhmann Water? Disappointed.
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@stillwater
Add a just a bit of orange juice to make people freak out
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@Luhmann I was gonna suggest something far more disgusting but yeah orange juice would be okay I guess
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@stillwater
If you are spraying regularly you'll need a lot of wanks to keep the bottle filled.