Alternatives to CMDER?
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I've just done a reinstall of windows and I am installing git. Is there an alternative to CMDER that isn't based on CMDER. Anything Cygwin based is out of the question.
CMDER recently just stopped working with NPM properly and I am not sure why. The basic bash with git works great but I can't have command line tabs.
VSCode's integrated command line is still really flakey and just seems to lose the node process every so often when trying to kill it.
Any suggestions?
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
CMDER
TIL.
I apparently don't use the terminal enough to have sought out an enhancer.
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@Tsaukpaetra I mainly use it for git. I worked at a few companies in the 2009-2010ish that used it and .NET. The Git tooling just didn't exist back then and the plugins for VS were very flakey and cost a few hundred a year. I ended up just learning it on the terminal. I am sure the modern tools are better than the one I used, but I've got used to the command line version.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
@Tsaukpaetra I mainly use it for git. I worked at a few companies in the 2009-2010ish that used it and .NET. The Git tooling just didn't exist back then and the plugins for VS were very flakey and cost a few hundred a year. I ended up just learning it on the terminal. I am sure the modern tools are better than the one I used, but I've got used to the command line version.
I guess my question is then, with regards to using git, what does cmder give you that the standard command prompt does not?
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@Tsaukpaetra Tabs basically.
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I have no experience with, but have heard good things about, Console2.
Googling it I see it's been unmaintained for a while, but there's a fork called ConsoleZ.
ConsoleZ 1.19.0.19104
This is a modified version of Console 2 for a better experience under Windows Vista/7/8/10 and a better visual rendering.
This isn't so much a recommendation as it is a "you want names? Here's a name". Like I said, I have no experience with it.
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I've been using MSYS2 for a few years and I am fairly satisfied with it.
It uses mintty as its terminal emulator, which is fine. I also like to have my nix environment inherit ENV from windows and to use the same HOME directory as Windows (c:\Users<username>), so that everything is integrated. Last time I was setting it up, these had to be configured manually.
Times are changing though, as WSL is getting better and better, and MS is finally adding proper support for consoles. So maybe my next install will switch to a more native toolset.
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@cartman82 That is basically the git terminal I get when installing git.
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@Zecc said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
I have no experience with, but have heard good things about, Console2.
Googling it I see it's been unmaintained for a while, but there's a fork called ConsoleZ.
ConsoleZ 1.19.0.19104
This is a modified version of Console 2 for a better experience under Windows Vista/7/8/10 and a better visual rendering.
This isn't so much a recommendation as it is a "you want names? Here's a name". Like I said, I have no experience with it.
I've been using it for a few years, it seems to work fine for your regular Command Prompt or Powershell.
Launching Git Bash or Windows Subsystem for Linux is not something I've really tried though.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
@cartman82 That is basically the git terminal I get when installing git.
Similar. You can install more stuff with pacman, though.
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@cartman82 I am not that interested in that though. I've got WSL and Babun if I want a Linux like environment.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
@cartman82 I am not that interested in that though. I've got WSL and Babun if I want a Linux like environment.
Ah so you just want a terminal emulator program that runs cmd? Can't help you there, mintty is probably the best you can get.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
CMDER recently just stopped working with NPM properly and I am not sure why. The basic bash with git works great but I can't have command line tabs.
VSCode's integrated command line is still really flakey and just seems to lose the node process every so often when trying to kill it.I just really want tabs and something that doesn't crash when I CTRL+C when quitting running an angular-cli app. It works fine in the standard git bash that it uses minitty.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
I just really want tabs and something that doesn't crash when I CTRL+C when quitting running an angular-cli app. It works fine in the standard git bash that it uses minitty.
Hard to get cli stuff working nicely on Windows. That's why web devs are all on Linux or Mac. It's a world of difference in ergonomics.
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@cartman82 said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
or Mac. It's a world of difference in ergonomics.
Yeah. That Mac keyboard can die in a pit-o-fire. So can that tiny mouse.
(mac) ergonomics
(gasps for breath)
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@cartman82 The problem isn't with windows. The problem is that cmder and conemu don't work properly with how node works. It works fine in Git bash but not in conemu. It must be a problem with how it is wrapping the minitty instance.
I will just put up with separate minitty windows for now.
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@sweaty_gammon never had problems with cmder myself, but Scott Hanselman had a post on shell replacements recently terminus etc. . Maybe there is one for you there.
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@robo2 Thanks will check it out.
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Umm Terminus doesn't seem to work very well.
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@robo2 I tried that flutter terminal as well. It wasn't very good IMHO.
I think I am just going to keep with basic git bash and just live with having 7 or 8 windows and just stick them in their own desktop grouping.
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@sweaty_gammon you could look into
screenmaybe
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@Gribnit That not a bad idea. I've used
tmuxon WSL. I will see if there is a version of tmux for windows and see if it works.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
Umm Terminus doesn't seem to work very well.
Well, it is in alpha. So I'm not too surprised.
Edit: It seems to work fine now. But it is on Alpha 71.
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@SlackerD you're responding to a dead alt
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@pie_flavor @1 is also a dead alt.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
I've just done a reinstall of windows and I am installing git. Is there an alternative to CMDER that isn't based on CMDER. Anything Cygwin based is out of the question.
CMDER recently just stopped working with NPM properly and I am not sure why. The basic bash with git works great but I can't have command line tabs.
What do you mean by "recently"? A 2 months old release seems to work just fine with npm (under powershell).
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@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
Umm Terminus doesn't seem to work very well.
You must be running it on Linux hardware.
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@kt_ said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
I've just done a reinstall of windows and I am installing git. Is there an alternative to CMDER that isn't based on CMDER. Anything Cygwin based is out of the question.
CMDER recently just stopped working with NPM properly and I am not sure why. The basic bash with git works great but I can't have command line tabs.
What do you mean by "recently"? A 2 months old release seems to work just fine with npm (under powershell).
2 months old is newer than the post.
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@Carnage said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
@kt_ said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
@sweaty_gammon said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
I've just done a reinstall of windows and I am installing git. Is there an alternative to CMDER that isn't based on CMDER. Anything Cygwin based is out of the question.
CMDER recently just stopped working with NPM properly and I am not sure why. The basic bash with git works great but I can't have command line tabs.
What do you mean by "recently"? A 2 months old release seems to work just fine with npm (under powershell).
2 months old is newer than the post.
That's right. Are you one of those that get off by stating obvious facts on the Internet.
It's the "recently" that's ambiguous.
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@kt_ said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
Are you one of those that get off by stating obvious facts on the Internet.
YMBNH.
@kt_ said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
It's the "recently" that's ambiguous.
You may be waiting a while for the answer.
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@loopback0 said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
@kt_ said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
Are you one of those that get off by stating obvious facts on the Internet.
YMBNH.
@kt_ said in Alternatives to CMDER?:
It's the "recently" that's ambiguous.
You may be waiting a while for the answer.
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