Windows 10 on ARM official support
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Do you think this will be long term?
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If they've already done most of the hard work, i don't see why not.
They've given up on phones, but tablets are very much a good market to have and they'll be running ARM for a long time.
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I just dunno whether it is worth developing for.
I've had some ideas about small apps but I dunno whether it worth investing in getting something like a Windows Tablet.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
I dunno whether it worth investing in getting something like a Windows Tablet
If it's a UWA, you don't need a tablet, you can test it on a laptop with a touchscreen, it should be the same I guess
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@TimeBandit I used to do a lot of mobile development (various versions of android, blackberry OS and iOS). It is not the same emulating. Emulating is fine for the majority of development, but to make sure it is right you need to run it on a real device. There is no substitute unfortunately.
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@sweaty_gammon Windows treats a tablet the same as a laptop with a touchscreen. It just switches to a different default mode depending on the device but you can easily toggle the other mode.
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@Rhywden I appreciate that but you have to actually run the code on a real device if you are doing a thorough job of it.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Rhywden I appreciate that but you have to actually run the code on a real device is you are doing a thorough job of it.
And you have just such a device if you have something with a touchscreen. Hell, you can even attach a touchscreen to a desktop PC and get the same results.
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@Rhywden Each device is different in terms of performance, screensize and a number of other things.
You need to have the device or at least run your code on the device to make sure that the application works as intended. There is no substitute.
I am sure it is good enough for the majority of development. But for release you really need to make sure you run in on real hardware.
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@sweaty_gammon Good luck with that approach, considering the billions of possible device permutations.
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@Rhywden
It has worked rather well for me actually for the last 6 years.Well there is quite a number of device labs where you can rent out for several hours different devices (tablets etc).
Also you can buy and expense them as business assets the most popular devices e.g. iPhones, Samsung phones etc.
It feasible to support a large number of devices despite naysayers like yourself.
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@sweaty_gammon I'm not sure you have looked at the tooling MS provides.
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@Rhywden It is irrelevant what tooling they provide. There is no equivalent to testing on real hardware.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Rhywden It is irrelevant what tooling they provide. There is no equivalent to testing on real hardware.
Again: There's a billion of permutations out there. You cannot test on all of them.
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@Rhywden You seemed to ignore my previous statement.
- Firstly there isn't a billion permutations.
- I can rent out odd hardware from businesses that recognise that people need to test app cross platform. There are a few in almost every major city.
- Worst case scenario I can buy it.
It isn't about supporting every device, it is about supporting the most popular devices and if there are a large number of people using weird devices, then you can notice that if through analysis and change tact if necessary.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Rhywden You seemed to ignore my previous statement.
- Firstly there isn't a billion permutations.
You're right. There are more.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
it is about supporting the most popular devices
Than you can stick to Android and iPad
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@Rhywden it is quite clear you are contrarian of the sake of it. I am not really interested in talking to you if you continue to be difficult for the sake of it.
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@TimeBandit Even in those spaces there are quite a few options however you can normally whittle them down to whether they are HiDPi or not
Something our friend @Rhywden doesn't seem to understand.
It is worth making sure your code works on a number devices even if it is web code.
I remember a specific problem with iPhone 3gs and Z-transform property. It would look fine on an emulator. On the real device if you didn't apply the Z-transform properly on all elements in the correct order (I forget the order now) it would flicker.
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Something I would like the add. Especially with android devices is that they normally have hacked versions of the OS that is manufacturer specific.
The keyboard, the browser might work slightly differently depending on how they have changed it.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Rhywden it is quite clear you are contrarian of the sake of it.
You figured that out in less than 70 posts on the forums. This amuses me.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
I am not really interested in talking to you if you continue to be difficult for the sake of it.
You'll not be talking much here then.
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@loopback0 So be it.
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@Polygeekery I had a couple of interactions with him before this thread and it was obvious he was wilfully ignoring the nuance of what I was trying to convey.
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@sweaty_gammon If you're doing a normal, high level application, you won't hit any technical differences between devices.
You should still do touchscreen usability testing, but that's all.
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@anonymous234 You would think. But you do have problems all the time.
It sounds dumb but we had a problem recently with the orientation of a picture taken for Id being different for devices. We had to write our own routines (which cost processing power on the cloud) as we had to do a facial match request to a third party 4 times instead on one.
We've got a better fix in the works but the API was the same between most devices (in JS) but the results were kinda quite different.
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@Polygeekery said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Rhywden it is quite clear you are contrarian of the sake of it.
You figured that out in less than 70 posts on the forums. This amuses me.
So, let's get a bet going: Less or more than 70 more posts before he figures you out?
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@Rhywden can you guys have your argument elsewhere please. I am not particularly interested in it.
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@sweaty_gammon Oh, you'll be having fun in this forum then.
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@Rhywden I am sure there are quite a few losers that want to upset people. They are on every internet forum. You are not unique, clever or original. In fact I find you quite predictable.
Do your best friend.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Rhywden can you guys have your argument elsewhere please. I am not particularly interested in it.
Aaand that's the other thing about this forum.
You'll learn especially that @Polygeekery is a tremendous asshole.
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@sloosecannon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
You'll learn especially that @Polygeekery is a tremendous asshole.
HEY! (We all are)
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@sloosecannon He didn't attack me or try to twist my words. So I am pretty neutral on him.
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@sloosecannon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
You'll learn especially that @Polygeekery
ishas a tremendous asshole.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@sloosecannon He didn't attack me or try to twist my words. So I am pretty neutral on him.
For now. I am not one that people have neutral opinions about for long.
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@Polygeekery I will make my own mind up.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
Do you think this will be long term?
Dunno. Do you consider a resurrected project (You know, back in the introduction of Windows
8 on ARMRT) long term?
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@Tsaukpaetra I dunno that is why I asked :)
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Tsaukpaetra I dunno that is why I asked :)
Well that's rather refreshing. Typically when people ask questions here it's an attempt to confirm bias.
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@Tsaukpaetra I was hoping for a discussion about these devices but it devolved into nonsense.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Tsaukpaetra I was hoping for a discussion about these devices but it devolved into nonsense.
YMBNH
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Tsaukpaetra I was hoping for a discussion about these devices but it devolved into nonsense.
Ah, YMBNH.
Usually it's a contest to see how quickly topics get derailed around here. Very few maintain a solid flow...
Edit: . Curse my explaining things out.
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@Tsaukpaetra I don't mind some left turns, but people just flat out arguing with me about that you having to actually test on real hardware was a bit surreal.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Tsaukpaetra I don't mind some left turns, but people just flat out arguing with me about that you having to actually test on real hardware was a bit surreal.
Welcome to the forums! If you ever wander into the Garage I'm sure you'll find the above practically tame in comparison...
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@Tsaukpaetra I can take it. I just find it silly.
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I am up for the garage BTW. Sounds like fun!!
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Tsaukpaetra I was hoping for a discussion about these devices but it devolved into nonsense.
Welcome to the forums!!
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@Polygeekery Thank you.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
@Tsaukpaetra I don't mind some left turns, but people just flat out arguing with me about that you having to actually test on real hardware was a bit surreal.
We really need a disclaimer on the sign up form.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Windows 10 on ARM official support:
I am up for the garage BTW. Sounds like fun!!
Merely join this group and let a new path of insanity open up to you.