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Inotheralternative news: Trump accuses Twitter of favoring to show his "bad" tweets.
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@chozang said in In other news today...:
When I was a correctional officer, every few months the schedules were such that all of the officers were present on a day. On that day, we would systematically shake down the prison, or as much of it as we had time for. All of the inmates were locked in their cells until the shake-down team got to their cell. A team was shaking down one tier systematically. So it was not a surprise - everyone except for the first cell could see the progress of the team. They got to one guy's cell and he had a barrel full of jumpsteady (homemade prison wine). So this guy had at least an hour to flush his barrel in order to avoid certain lockup. But he just couldn't bear to do it.
Of course the real question is, did the illegal booze get flushed?
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
What a whiner.
Why, you'd like to work in such a shit show?
I'd like to work while having my every need taken care of by concubines. I'd be okay with working in such a shit show.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
I wouldn't doubt it, honestly. Google is hard left most of the time and the YouTube censorship has been proving it.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Pony painting parties
I'm opposed to cruelty to animals (I'm vegetarian), but, in this case, I don't see any cruelty. PETA is TRWTF.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
What a whiner.
Why, you'd like to work in such a shit show?
I'd like to work while having my every need taken care of by concubines. I'd be okay with working in such a shit show.
Maybe it goes with no longer being a teenager (or early 20s?), but I'd prefer my work environment to be professional. Maybe you don't mind @Lorne-Kates' your-mom-jokes directed at you, or maybe they annoy you. But that's on an internet forum, not at work.
You can tell me to go eat a bag of dicks on here and I won't care, but do that at work everyday and I won't stand it. [Might be different if we're friends who just happen to be coworkers and it's one on one, but only then] In fact, do that at work once and shit hits the fan.
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@topspin I work well in a banterous environment.
go eat a bag of dicks
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@pie_flavor Yes, funny how Free Speech is only convenient when you're allowed to do it.
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@tharpa said in In other news today...:
I'm opposed to cruelty to animals (I'm vegetarian)
There is, of course, no causal relationship between being opposed to cruelty to animals and being a vegetarian, or the other way around.
Just a correlation, maybe.
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@tharpa said in In other news today...:
PETA is TRWTF.
One example out of a million. They're completely bonkers.
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@Zecc said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
I'm opposed to cruelty to animals (I'm vegetarian)
There is, of course, no causal relationship between being opposed to cruelty to animals and being a vegetarian, or the other way around.
Just a correlation, maybe.
Absolutely incorrect. If you wish an intelligent discussion on the matter, please DM.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
PETA is TRWTF.
One example out of a million. They're completely bonkers.
Not completely. Only 50%, at most.
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Birdsall pointed out that in contrast to the long custodial sentences of both Ortega and Mason – a Hispanic and an African American woman respectively who both insist they voted mistakenly – a white male judge in Tarrant county that includes Fort Worth pleaded guilty in April to forging many signatures as he sought re-election. Russ Casey’s was a conscious act by his own admission, yet he was punished with only probation.
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@Rhywden Sorry, whose votes are being suppressed? Non-citizens, convicted felons, or people who are too stupid to figure out whether they might fall into one of those categories?
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
convicted felons
In Canada, inmates can vote
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/inmates-have-right-to-vote-supreme-court-rules-1.306843
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
In Canada, inmates can vote
Sure but I bet you also let moose vote. And @Lorne-Kates.
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@TimeBandit In the US, whether felons can vote (and how and when their voting rights can be reinstated, if they cannot vote) varies from state to state. Also, inmates are not necessarily felons; a "felony" is the most severe category of criminal conviction that's typically punishable by >1 year incarceration. Lesser crimes are classified as misdemeanors (and don't result in the loss of voting rights).
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
In Canada, inmates can vote
Sure but I bet you also let moose vote. And @Lorne-Kates.
@Lorne-Kates isn't an inmate???
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Sure but I bet you also let moose vote.
I don't think so, but it's possible.
And @Lorne-Kates.
He votes multiple times using identity of missing
trans-hookerspersons
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
In Canada, inmates can vote
Sure but I bet you also let moose vote. And @Lorne-Kates.
@Lorne-Kates isn't an inmate???
Not until they find the bodies.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor Yes, funny how Free Speech is only convenient when you're allowed to do it.
I'm struggling to figure out what the fuck you're talking about.
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@pie_flavor There's no requirement that someone making use of their free speech make sense.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor There's no requirement that someone making use of their free speech make sense.
Proof
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor Yes, funny how Free Speech is only convenient when you're allowed to do it.
I'm struggling to figure out what the fuck you're talking about.
I'll try to help you out:
You're complaining about YouTube censoring (the "when free speech is convenient" part) while defending Trump ranting about the free press (the "when it's not" part).
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@tharpa said in In other news today...:
@Zecc said in In other news today...:
@tharpa said in In other news today...:
I'm opposed to cruelty to animals (I'm vegetarian)
There is, of course, no causal relationship between being opposed to cruelty to animals and being a vegetarian, or the other way around.
Just a correlation, maybe.
Absolutely incorrect. If you wish an intelligent discussion on the matter, please DM.
I'm not looking for any discussion on the matter, so let's just each keep their opinion.
Not the downvoter, by the way.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor Yes, funny how Free Speech is only convenient when you're allowed to do it.
I'm struggling to figure out what the fuck you're talking about.
I'll try to help you out:
You're complaining about YouTube censoring (the "when free speech is convenient" part) while defending Trump ranting about the free press (the "when it's not" part).He rants about the free press. He doesn't censor the free press.
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- YouTube can censor whoever they want to.
- Trump's tweet: "This is a very serious situation-will be addressed!" suggests he wants to more than just rant about the free press. Besides, he's the president. Ranting about the free press is a really piss poor show.
- I was just translating the complaints for you.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
- YouTube can censor whoever they want to.
Yes. Hence the complaint.
- Trump's tweet: "This is a very serious situation-will be addressed!" suggests he wants to more than just rant about the free press. Besides, he's the president. Ranting about the free press is a really piss poor show.
Unless the free press is for the most part fake news.
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@pie_flavor That is either going to turn out to be a really good idea, or a really bad idea. I'm not sure which yet, though I'm leaning towards the latter...
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
Unless the free press is for the most part fake news.
It reports what he's saying and doing. With quotes and videos.
If that makes him look bad, guess what, that's not the press's fault.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
Unless the free press is for the most part fake news.
It reports what he's saying and doing. With quotes and videos.
If that makes him look bad, guess what, that's not the press's fault.A sizable chunk of the press are not exactly reluctant to select and edit those quotes and videos to make him look as bad as possible. OTOH, he doesn't really need a lot of help to look bad; he does a remarkably good job of that all by himself.
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@chozang said in In other news today...:
When I was a correctional officer, every few months the schedules were such that all of the officers were present on a day. On that day, we would systematically shake down the prison, or as much of it as we had time for. All of the inmates were locked in their cells until the shake-down team got to their cell. A team was shaking down one tier systematically. So it was not a surprise - everyone except for the first cell could see the progress of the team. They got to one guy's cell and he had a barrel full of jumpsteady (homemade prison wine). So this guy had at least an hour to flush his barrel in order to avoid certain lockup. But he just couldn't bear to do it.
Of course the real question is, did the illegal booze get flushed?
Yes, not much concern about that. Though there were some alcoholic officers, they could afford to buy the factory-made stuff.
Though I did have an officer say to me that if he ever found some cocaine, he would only turn in about 1/4 of it. This guy was big enough (built like The Rock) to shake down cells and even the annex room by himself, so he could do it without other officers witnessing it if the opportunity ever arose.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
In Canada, inmates can vote
Sure but I bet you also let moose vote. And @Lorne-Kates.
@Lorne-Kates isn't an inmate???
No, but he's in his mate.
Filed under: too soon?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
In Canada, inmates can vote
Sure but I bet you also let moose vote. And @Lorne-Kates.
@Lorne-Kates isn't an inmate???
No, but he's in his mate.
Filed under: too soon?
She hasn't even given birth, yet; she isn't due until November.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Sure but I bet you also let moose vote.
I don't think so, but it's possible.
And @Lorne-Kates.
He votes multiple times using identity of "missing"
trans-hookerspersonsFixed for missing scare quotes
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
convicted felons
In Canada, inmates can vote
I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, I think that inmates who did vote would be more likely to vote liberal (though inmates in general regard both parties as composed of squares), but on the other hand it seems that if you have so many people in prison that their votes are likely to swing elections, then maybe you have too many people in prison.
If your crime falls under common law, then that means that people have always known it was wrong. If your crime falls under statuary law, then maybe your opinion should count.
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@chozang said in In other news today...:
if you have so many people in prison that their votes are likely to swing elections, then maybe you have too many people in prison.
If prisoners vote for the area they're currently residing (i.e. prison) then a large prison might have a noticeable affect on the district. If they vote in their normal residency then the effect would be smaller
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden Sorry, whose votes are being suppressed? Non-citizens, convicted felons, or people who are too stupid to figure out whether they might fall into one of those categories?
In Germany, anyone can vote regardless of imprisonment or not. This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
I also pointed out the hipocrisy: A judge actively falsifying votes to increase his own chances merely gets probation while those two were sentenced to several years.
Hell, one of them even only had a "probationary vote".
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
In Canada, inmates can vote
Once upon a time, in the US you could be drafted into the Army before you reached voting age. Therefore, you could he asked to fight and kill for your country without any ability to vote for the politicians sending you off to war. We fixed that.
I don't see any difference with inmates, frankly. On the contrary; if inmates were a voting bloc maybe we'd have some sensible sentencing laws which is something that badly needs reformed in the US.
The idea that "criminals broke the social contract and therefore should no longer be able to participate in elections" assumes that laws and the enforcement of them are fair. Just like the idea that "men should able to be drafted into the Army before they reach voting age" assumes that politicians aren't heartless warhawks. In both cases, the assumption is wrong.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
Yes, we're really a constitutional republic that happens to use democracy for choosing some leaders.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
Yes, we're really a constitutional republic that happens to use democracy for choosing some leaders.
We've been over this: You are a democracy. An indirect democracy. A "constitutional republic" like yours is a subset of the various forms democracy can take.
It does not matter what you actually label yourself - after all, China has a constitution and is a republic.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
Yes, we're really a constitutional republic that happens to use democracy for choosing some leaders.
We've been over this: You are a democracy. An indirect democracy. A "constitutional republic" like yours is a subset of the various forms democracy can take.
Yes, we have, and you continue to say dumb stuff like the above and the cover yourself later with pedantic dickweedery.
"It does not matter what you actually label yourself - after all, China has a constitution and is a republic."
It does not matter that you dismiss things as labels and ignore the deeper meaning, either.
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@boomzilla Well, that's the way you do things though: "Oh, we're not a democracy, we're a republic!"
As if that term had ever had any real meaning. Or as if "republic" and "democracy" are somehow contradictory terms. They're not. That's like saying that the colour orange is not like the sound of a violin.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla Well, that's the way you do things though: "Oh, we're not a democracy, we're a republic!"
As if that term had ever had any real meaning. Or as if "republic" and "democracy" are somehow contradictory terms. They're not. That's like saying that the colour orange is not like the sound of a violin.
Your ignorance of history and forms of government is no longer shocking, alas. But it's still kinda funny how sometimes you yell at people for not understanding nuance in other things you think you know about and then want to throw that all out the window when convenient.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
This "banned from voting for life" is not exactly an example of a shining beacon of democracy.
Yes, we're really a constitutional republic that happens to use democracy for choosing some leaders.
We've been over this: You are a democracy. An indirect democracy. A "constitutional republic" like yours is a subset of the various forms democracy can take.
It does not matter what you actually label yourself - after all, China has a constitution and is a republic.
Besides people here being as pedantic as possible and/or talking past each other, I think the main problem is the way "democracy" is used in English. At least in American English. It can refer to the category of government types (which includes republics and direct democracy). It can also be used as a synonym of "direct democracy". In my experience, if you hear an American say "democracy" they usually mean the high level category or are being lazy/ignorant and really mean "republic".
I try to use "direct democracy" when I mean the specific form of government.
Yay English, more or less. Who would have thought that using the same word for a general and specific concept in the same space would be confusing?!
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@mikehurley Not my problem if he doesn't deign to educate himself. "Democracy" is a type of citizen participation. "Republic" is a denotation for the organization of the government.
Two very different terms. Again, not my problem if the US education is too stupid to explain the difference.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@mikehurley Not my problem if he doesn't deign to educate himself. "Democracy" is a type of citizen participation. "Republic" is a denotation for the organization of the government.
Two very different terms. Again, not my problem if the US education is too stupid to explain the difference.
Maybe this is an ESL thing, but I wouldn't say that "republic" implies any particular organization. I'd say it's a specific type of participation. As in, I don't participate in the day to day government. Instead I vote for a representative who does that day to day stuff for me.
When I hear "organization of the government" I think things like separation of powers, president vs. prime minister vs. having both, presence or lack of federalism, etc.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@mikehurley Not my problem if he doesn't deign to educate himself. "Democracy" is a type of citizen participation. "Republic" is a denotation for the organization of the government.
Ah, but what kind of participation? A republic means that citizens already have a limited role what sort of participation they'll be having. But of course that's not important when you're on an anti-American rant.
Two very different terms. Again, not my problem if the US education is too stupid to explain the difference.
Common ground! I agree this isn't your problem.