Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does
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Why all new product launched on the market have a useless website, that won't give you any clue what the product does?
Knative | Google Cloud
Knative is a Google-sponsored industry-wide project to establish the best building blocks for creating modern, Kubernetes-native cloud-based software
Knative provides a set of middleware components that are essential to build modern, source-centric, and container-based applications that can run anywhere: on premises, in the cloud, or even in a third-party data center.
We provide components that are essential for you but we won't tell what are these components or what they do.
Knative offers a set of reusable components that focuses on solving many mundane but difficult tasks such as orchestrating source-to-container workflows, routing and managing traffic during deployment, auto-scaling your workloads, or binding running services to eventing ecosystems
That is slightly be better but not much.
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Click link, click cookie warning, eats oreo
say what?
Select ... google ...
So it docker written in Go?
I'm out.
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There's a link at the bottom to a Github readme. Surely that will shed more light
Knative (pronounced kay-nay-tiv)
No. If you need to tell people how to pronounce your new product, you have named your new product badly and you should feel bad. It's clearly either a silent K, so "native", or pointlessly adding the K sound for a kind of "kuh-nay-tiv"
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I have just recently began to dive into Docker. It's cool, I see the benefit. So I'm not entirely sure what Kubernetes does, let alone this... Kuhnatif thingy.
AFAIUnderstand it, kubernetes is sort of an automatic load balancer. You just throw in your Docker images, configure it a bit and it will run them, restart them, scale them to your config.
(Please someone with more XP correct me if I'm off)
How Kuhnatif ties into this... no clue (yet)
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@Jaloopa said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
"kuh-nay-tiv"
Or just "knay-tiv".
Vowels are for babies.
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@ApoY2k said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
AFAIUnderstand it, kubernetes is sort of an automatic load balancer. You just throw in your Docker images, configure it a bit and it will run them, restart them, scale them to your config.
Oh, like Azure Service Fabric then?
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There's a KDE joke in here somewhere but I can't quite figure out where.
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@boomzilla said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
I can't
qKuite figure out whereFound it
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@Jaloopa said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@ApoY2k said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
AFAIUnderstand it, kubernetes is sort of an automatic load balancer. You just throw in your Docker images, configure it a bit and it will run them, restart them, scale them to your config.
Oh, like Azure Service Fabric then?
Yeah that reads pretty much the same to me. Still no clue what Kaynaytyave does...
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@boomzilla said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
There's a KDE joke in here somewhere but I can't quite figure out where.
It's just https://doc-snapshots.qt.io/qtfordevicecreation-5.11/qtb2-index.html with a fancier name
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@Luhmann said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
So it docker written in Go?
Docker is already written in Go.
WHAT IS THIS THING?
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@Jaloopa said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
There's a link at the bottom to a Github readme. Surely that will shed more light
Knative (pronounced kay-nay-tiv)
No. If you need to tell people how to pronounce your new product, you have named your new product badly and you should feel bad. It's clearly either a silent K, so "native", or pointlessly adding the K sound for a kind of "kuh-nay-tiv"
How do you pronounce GTalk?
Or GMail?
Or iPad?
It's exactly the same idea: name of letter + real word.
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@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@Jaloopa said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
There's a link at the bottom to a Github readme. Surely that will shed more light
Knative (pronounced kay-nay-tiv)
No. If you need to tell people how to pronounce your new product, you have named your new product badly and you should feel bad. It's clearly either a silent K, so "native", or pointlessly adding the K sound for a kind of "kuh-nay-tiv"
How do you pronounce GTalk?
Or GMail?
Or iPad?
It's exactly the same idea: name of letter + real word.
Duh.
Monty Python - Kniggits – 03:09
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@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
GTalk
Jih-Tock
@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
GMail
Guh-Mah-ill
@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
iPad
Eh-pad
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@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
How do you pronounce GTalk?
GNNNNNNNNNtalk
@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
Or GMail?
Gum Ale
@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
Or iPad?
ippad
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@Jaloopa said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@ApoY2k said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
AFAIUnderstand it, kubernetes is sort of an automatic load balancer. You just throw in your Docker images, configure it a bit and it will run them, restart them, scale them to your config.
Oh, like Azure Service Fabric then?
Not really. For example here is a link for using Kubernetes on Azure.... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/container-service/kubernetes/container-service-intro-kubernetes
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@jaloopa said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
Oh, like Azure Service Fabric then?
Yeah or the AWS auto-scaling whatchamacallit.
This is problem Google Cloud Platform trying to whip themselves into shape so they can pretend they have half as many features as their competition. (To bad they don't even have half as much reliability.)
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@thecpuwizard said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
Not really. For example here is a link for using Kubernetes on Azure.... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/container-service/kubernetes/container-service-intro-kubernetes
Just because you can use Kuberererererrernerer on Azure doesn't mean you should or need to.
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@blakeyrat said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
Just because you can use Kuberererererrernerer on Azure doesn't mean you should or need to.
If you have not tried it, then don't knock it. Heck there are very few things you have to do [death being the primary exception].
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@TheCPUWizard I guess it could be useful if you have to go across multiple clouds, but I'm also guessing the interface to it is confusing and God-awful and probably involves lots of manual API calls and JavaScript.
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@blakeyrat said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
To bad they don't even have half as much reliability.
Nine fives uptime SLA?
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@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
Nine fives uptime SLA?
EDIT: oh I just got the joke I be dum
The only time I ever seen it mentioned for any reason ever is when it goes down. Which is a lot.
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@ben_lubar said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
How do you pronounce GTalk?
Or GMail?
Or iPad?
It's exactly the same idea: name of letter + real word.
Both of those indicate it with slightly different capitalisation of the first two letters of the word though.
Knative doesn't have that to distinguish it, which makes it look closer to a normal word rather than a product. The problem is that words starting with kn are not uncommon and every single one of them has a silent k: knee, kneed, knife, knit, knock, knot, know, knuckle (among others).
It's a bad name and they should feel bad for naming it.
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@ApoY2k said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
(Please someone with more XP correct me if I'm off)
That sounds much like my understanding of it when I researched it and found it unsuitable for our purposes.
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@blakeyrat said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@TheCPUWizard I guess it could be useful if you have to go across multiple clouds, but I'm also guessing the interface to it is confusing and God-awful and probably involves lots of manual API calls and JavaScript.
Here is a side by side comparison of different approaches completely with Visual Studio and VSTS for a full automated deployment/release. Primarily make some selections when you create the project and configure a few simple tasks via a UI.
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@Luhmann Ah, serverless, the marketing word of the year.
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@loopback0 said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
serverless
If I guess that this is an other way of saying in the
buttcloud, would I be right?
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@cvi said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@loopback0 said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
serverless
If I guess that this is an other way of saying in the
buttcloud, would I be right?NO.
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Y'all need to start zoning out hard when you see kubernetes anywhere. Half the products' websites don't tell what they do.
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@loopback0 said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
serverless
So ... It's only Cliëntside?
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@Luhmann said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@loopback0 said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
serverless
So ... It's only Cliëntside?
NOPE
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@thecpuwizard said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
NO.
CPU WIZARD HAS SPOKEN.
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@TheCPUWizard said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
NOPE
So ... it's vaporware?
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@cvi it has servers in the cloud, but what server will run your code, that you upload as separated functions, is abstracted away
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@blakeyrat said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@thecpuwizard said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
NO.
CPU WIZARD HAS SPOKEN.
Merely being succinct and providing a direct answer. Explanations/Details/etc. were not asked for, so not provided.... [plus I was deliberately being a PITA for raisins].
More than happy to provide more information to support either or both of my previous responses. :)
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@sockpuppet7 said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
@cvi it has servers in the cloud, but what server will run your code, that you upload as separated functions, is abstracted away
That is sort of close (proximity is dependent on interpretation of "abstracted").
Consider that when you run a simple VM you your not necessarily aware what PHYSICAL server your VM is running on, but you are acutely aware of what Server Operating System is in play, because you actually have it installed in the VM.
With Containers [I am going to be a little loose there to prevent this from being pages long] the OS itself is external to the containers, but still has significant impact on what is inside the container.
With "Serverless" that is (or at least should be) completely gone. There is just your code along with a set of "libraries and services" (usually represented as some type of API) to consider.
Clearly the code is executing on some physical computer [server] somewhere, and that machine is running (directly or indirectly) some type of system to operate, but [when done correctly] there is zero exposure to what is typically considered OS or Server capabilities.
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@ApoY2k said in Google launched something called knative, but it's website won't tell you what it does:
AFAIUnderstand it, kubernetes is sort of an automatic load balancer. You just throw in your Docker images, configure it a bit and it will run them, restart them, scale them to your config.
Kubernetes has a load balancing component, but it has much larger scope.
Kubernetes is about orchestration. You install into it "resource definitions," YAML files describing the state of things you want to be. Programs called "controllers" notice these and work toward bringing reality in line with the desired state. It has a base set of resource definition types and corresponding controllers, in addition to some low level stuff to get things working.
Knative appears to be some higher level resource types and corresponding controllers. It also appears to have an events system.
