I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire
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@sockpuppet7 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I still think the kid sub was cool.
Not really.
@sockpuppet7 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
It's a good thing it wasn't needed.
It wouldn't work.
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@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
somehow he still has rabid followers
One of which is on the forums!!
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
It wouldn't work.
It got more testing than NodeBB and Discourse combined.
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@sockpuppet7 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
It wouldn't work.
It got more testing than NodeBB and Discourse combined.
In a pool. In LA. Not anywhere close to production conditions. It also was entirely unsuited for the task at hand. It was too large to fit through the choke point. Totally useless for this. By that measure even Discourse is markedly better than the sub.
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@onyx said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
Filed under: INB4 HardwareGeek's son is older than me
I don't know how old you are, but we have at least a couple of college students on here, so it's possible, though the odds are almost everyone here is older than him.
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@hardwaregeek dunno, you always talk about how ancient you are
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@blakeyrat said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
And Elon Musk is, I think, starting to go insane.
That Twitter thread is amazing.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
Elon Musk is exactly like Iron Man
I was just thinking he acts an incompetent Tony Stark.
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@onyx said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@hardwaregeek dunno, you always talk about how ancient you are
I was in my mid- to late-30s when he was born, and if he'd gotten his act together instead of goofing off, he'd probably have graduated from college this year. I think there are a few people here with more s on their :belt:s than I do, but not many.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
It was too large to fit through the choke point.
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@sockpuppet7 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
It was too large to fit through the choke point.
Horseshit. The boys are between 11 and 16 years of age. I will measure my six year old when he gets home but I don't think he could fit in a 12" diameter tube.
There is nothing that does not make this idea dumb.
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@sockpuppet7 It looked bigger than that in the pictures, but if it's only 31, it's at least not absurdly stupid. I still wonder about getting through the bends, though, and over the not-submerged section, since the sub is rigid and won't bend to go around curves like an unenclosed person can, and the kids would have been unable to crawl/walk/climb through the dry section, but would have required at least two rescuers to carry/push/pull the sub over the rocks/mud/whatever.
Edit: And what @Polygeekery wrote about the diameter.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I will measure my six year old when he gets home but I don't think he could fit in a 12" diameter tube.
My best friend in high school once crawled through a 12" macrame [sp?] ring in art class. He was about 6' 3" at the time, and insanely skinny until he was about 25.
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@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
insanely skinny
These are soccer players. I would assume lean but muscular, not skinny.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@sockpuppet7 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
It was too large to fit through the choke point.
Horseshit. The boys are between 11 and 16 years of age. I will measure my six year old when he gets home but I don't think he could fit in a 12" diameter tube.
There is nothing that does not make this idea dumb.
Not to mention, the tube is presumably rigid and incapable of bending. It would more likely get wedged while trying to navigate the narrow cave the same way one's snake shit would get wedged in the elbow bend of a toilet.
Frankly, I think if he at all helped in the situation, it was that the device Elon Musk was about to foist on them was going to make a dire situation far worse and the Thai officials decided they had to do something before he went too far in the plans. Kinda like how I once quickly worked on a solution to a software engineering problem to prevent our idiot colleague from taking initiative and "fixing" it himself.
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Oh BTW, Iron Man would probably do it much worse. Think Stark Industries branded cluster bombs.
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Also, his Muskiness contraption is more of a diving bell than a submarine.
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@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I will measure my six year old when he gets home but I don't think he could fit in a 12" diameter tube.
My best friend in high school once crawled through a 12" macrame [sp?] ring in art class. He was about 6' 3" at the time, and insanely skinny until he was about 25.
Back in the construction days we had a directional drilling crew drill right through the center of some storm pipe we had installed. We gave them a price to repair the damage they caused that involved us moving out an excavator and a loader and a 5 man crew for a day. They accepted and then one of the superintendents under me got the bright idea that he would take his son's skateboard and a bucket of concrete in to the pipe and patch it up from the inside, saving money and making it all almost pure profit. So we pulled a rope through, hooked it on to the front of the skateboard and he just barely fit down the pipe. To his credit it all worked, the pipe was patched up well enough to pass inspection and we made really good money on that repair.
Later he asked what I would have done if he had become stuck in the pipe.
"Well, realistically all the profit would have been gone because we would have had to scrap several pieces of pipe to get you out of there safely and it would have taken several hours to get you out."
"It wouldn't take that long to dig up that pipe."
"You went in that pipe at 11am. We would have went to lunch first."
"You're a dick. You really would have done that wouldn't you?"
"It's not like you would have went anywhere while we were gone. Besides, I don't think it would have been a good idea to dig on pipe with a live man inside when I was hungry."
"Have a Snickers or something, you asshole."Now, back to the actual topic and enough of my funny anecdotes. Have a chart:
From here:
I have no idea how representative that is, but it seems like a 7 year old would be a tight squeeze in the cave dildo.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I have no idea how representative that is, but it seems like a 7 year old would be a tight squeeze in the cave dildo.
I'm not disagreeing with you, it just reminded me of a story. And he definitely had to do some contortions to get through the ring, it would have been impossible with a cylinder.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I will measure my six year old when he gets home but I don't think he could fit in a 12" diameter tube.
Shoulder width is a surprisingly difficult measurement to find, but an Italian clothing diagram shows a measurement of 45 cm for what appears to be an adult small or XS suit coat. I would expect an older teen athlete to be at least approaching adult dimensions.
From context, I assume 31 cm is the outside diameter, so the inside is no more than 30. Let's assume the 16 year old is smaller than the smallest adult size; let's say 40 cm. Hunch your shoulders together as much as you can — maybe 35 cm. I'd put that within "do it or die" range of fitting into a 30 cm tube, maybe, but it's going to be damned uncomfortable; even taking a breath is going to be difficult.
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@carnage said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
Also, his Muskiness contraption is more of a diving bell than a submarine.
To be fair, it is more like a cave dildo than either of those choices.
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...if you can't get it past the choke point (you may be able to), then how would you get the kids in the cave dildo for the first part of the trip?
People are idiots.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
...if you can't get it past the choke point (you may be able to), then how would you get the kids in the cave dildo for the first part of the trip?
People are idiots.
Simple, you send it to them in pieces with an allen wrench and IKEA-style instructions to assemble.
Also, here's a much better diagram of the challenge. It really shows just how immense of an effort this was.
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@polygeekery You'd also have to consider the possibility of this rigid object getting stuck. So, not only would you have failed to produce a working gadget, no, you'd also have plugged the known escape route.
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@rhywden said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery You'd also have to consider the possibility of this rigid object getting stuck. So, not only would you have failed to produce a working gadget, no, you'd also have plugged the known escape route.
You just lack vision. All hail Musk and his magnificent cave dildo!
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I read in a local news source today that the Thai probably feel a bit embarrassed at all the foreign insistence to help solve a problem they're perfectly capable of solving themselves.
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@mods can move this if it is too garagey:
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@polygeekery A smart man would have contacted those on the scene who actually understand the situation, before doing anything, in order to get recommendations on how he could help and not get in the way and look like a fool.
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@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery A smart man would have contacted those on the scene who actually understand the situation, before doing anything, in order to get recommendations on how he could help and not get in the way and look like a fool.
He was in contact with someone, but he got pretty pissy that the Thai official on the scene, and the man that lots of news outlets are hailing as a hero and saint, would dare to not bow and kiss his feet:
What a cockhole.
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@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery A smart man would have contacted those on the scene who actually understand the situation, before doing anything, in order to get recommendations on how he could help and not get in the way and look like a fool.
And apparently suggesting that engineers should gather requirements before building something, is worthy of a downvote.
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@rhywden said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery You'd also have to consider the possibility of this rigid object getting stuck. So, not only would you have failed to produce a working gadget, no, you'd also have plugged the known escape route.
Eh, that's easily solved by bringing in a few barrels of Vaseline first!
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@deadfast And maybe put a flamethrower on the front and a used rocket on the back. That just might work.
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@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
And apparently suggesting that engineers should gather requirements before building something, is worthy of a downvote.
Elon fanboys are just as bad as SJWs.
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@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@deadfast And maybe put a flamethrower on the front and a used rocket on the back. That just might work.
Yes, a flamethrower is a brilliant idea, just evaporate all the water away!
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@deadfast said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@mott555 said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@deadfast And maybe put a flamethrower on the front and a used rocket on the back. That just might work.
Yes, a flamethrower is a brilliant idea, just evaporate all the water away!
Well, one of his first ideas was like if someone combined a condom with a bouncy castle. He suggested rolling a gigantic tube through the caves and inflating it with enough air pressure to expand it so they could just walk out.
The flamethrower idea is only marginally less useful than that.
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@xaade said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I guarantee you that the actual rescuers rolled their eyes at the presence of the world's largest paper weight.
You misspelled "dildo."
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@polygeekery That sounds like a brilliant idea. I wonder where all the water would get displaced to.
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@deadfast said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I wonder where all the water would get displaced to.
The lungs of the 13 people they were attempting to help?
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@polygeekery Well that or the inside of the inflatable turd. But I'm sure Elon would use his Hyperpoop experience here and build some sort of an overcomplicated watertight chamber at each end.
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@anotherusername said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
True to form, he'll miss all the deadlines and the sub will be completed 2 months after they've all died or been rescued some other way.
That'll be 10th September then....
Hows the prototype going?
@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@mods can move this if it is too garagey:
That post, or the whole thread?
'Yes' would probably be an acceptable answer, but may win.
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@deadfast said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery Well that or the inside of the inflatable turd. But I'm sure Elon would use his Hyperpoop experience here and build some sort of an overcomplicated watertight chamber at each end.
I assume water infiltration was too high to just pump the water out?
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@polygeekery I haven't seen any reasonable profile of the cave, but if the rock is really porous it could just be low spots that are flooded due to a high water table, and there's no way you could pump groundwater out fast enough.
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@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I assume water infiltration was too high to just pump the water out?
I heard on the news some locals volunteered their private water pumps to help drain the caves.
And then they pumped the water to a brook that drained back into the cave.
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According to the Wikipedia article, the oxygen level inside the cave had dropped to around 15%, and that was partly responsible for prompting the decision to attempt to get them out immediately, as opposed to waiting for the water to retreat further.
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@zecc said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
@polygeekery said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
I assume water infiltration was too high to just pump the water out?
I heard on the news some locals volunteered their private water pumps to help drain the caves.
And then they pumped the water to a brook that drained back into the cave.
My final years in construction I did a lot of deep sewer. We usually had to do dewatering. It is a difficult thing to get right. Recycling is unpredictable at best. When dealing with complex geologic structures it would be basically impossible to predict. I won't fault them.
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@anotherusername said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
According to the Wikipedia article, the oxygen level inside the cave had dropped to around 15%, and that was partly responsible for prompting the decision to attempt to get them out immediately, as opposed to waiting for the water to retreat further.
The cave condom bounce house was a stupid idea but it would seem that they could bring it thin tubes to replenish oxygen.
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@gurth said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
waiting until there’s no risk at all anymore
I think the general practice is to try for the quoted approach (the one in quotes, not the one I've quoted) by requesting a study of the risks. Into which no early return is built.
But, when reading the study results, if you get an intern to sort them by priority, a decision can be efficiently arrived at.
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@pjh said in I think this settles the debate for who is the coolest tech billionaire:
'Yes' would probably be an acceptable answer, but may win.
The always wins.