Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh)
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@parody said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
If you mean "up until this week": I meant that they recently changed calendar.google.com to match the mobile versions.
And oddly enough, as I was just looking at this so I could put copies of my scheduled PTO onto my personal calendar so I don't forget about them...my webview one doesn't have a "5 day" option, but it does have a "4 day" option for...some reason.
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@hungrier said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@parody I see. I had somehow missed those changes, or forgot about them.
I do a lot of things where I need to know (for example) which Saturdays I can be available in the next few weeks, so month view was pretty important to me. Sadly, they never restored free scrolling months. (Previously you could scroll the month view vertically freely; now you can only scroll it horizontally and it moves a full month at a time.)
@e4tmyl33t said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@parody said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
If you mean "up until this week": I meant that they recently changed calendar.google.com to match the mobile versions.
And oddly enough, as I was just looking at this so I could put copies of my scheduled PTO onto my personal calendar so I don't forget about them...my webview one doesn't have a "5 day" option, but it does have a "4 day" option for...some reason.
The current version has three days and (seven day) weeks in portrait phone mode. I don't know what it does for tablets in landscape, which is what I'd expect the website to have copied. (Phones in landscape are locked to weeks.)
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Outlook lost its credentials somehow, and since my password is one of those 20-character ASCII monstrosities that takes about 37 tries to type correctly on a fucking phone keyboard, I'm not going to bother entering it again. Just going back to the Gmail app. Which, I'm sure, will lose my credentials about 37 nanoseconds after I successfully type the password.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
and since my password is one of those 20-character ASCII monstrosities that takes about 37 tries to type correctly on a fucking phone keyboard,
I mean, I can enter my 70 or so character passwords first try every time. Maybe seek out Lorne; he can sympathize with your inability to use the easily usable interface, and talk for hours about how hard it is to select text sometimes.
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@pie_flavor Fuck you, I have dyslexia. It's hard enough to type those passwords on a normal keyboard for me-- I usually copy-and-paste from my password manager.
And if you think "[" is easy to type on the Android keyboard, you could not possibly be more wrong.
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@blakeyrat Which password manager do you use? There are a couple of good KeePass ones for Android.
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@jaloopa KeePass is shit. So no, I don't use it. I try not to use shitty software.
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@blakeyrat well, in that case I can't recommend any password manager apps, but someone here might use whatever you do and be able to suggest something if you say what you use.
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@jaloopa No password manager app helps you to type passwords into a phone or an Xbox or a Roku or other non-keyboard devices, which is the basically the FIRST feature they should have implemented. They're all shitty.
Not as shitty as pie_flavor though. What an asshole.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
No password manager app helps you to type passwords into a phone
KeePass2Droid lets you open an entry, go to the app you wanted to enter it in to, and either copy and paste the username and password or enable the KeePass keyboard which has buttons for username and password.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Not as shitty as pie_flavor though. What an asshole.
Seems like a bit of a masochist if he's genuinely typing in 70 character, randomly generated passwords on a phone keyboard regularly. But he also thinks Discourse is pretty good software so we knew that already
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@jaloopa That's one device out of like 7 if my house taken care of, if I run that shitty software with the terrible UI. Great. We're 16% or whatever the math works out to there.
Look when I want a recommendation on a password manager, I'll ask for one.
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@blakeyrat so you don't use a password manager? When you said password manager upthread, did you mean a piece of paper with all of your passwords written on it?
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@jaloopa I have a homemade thing I made with several cloud services, if I described it I'd just be made fun of by people here for weeks on end so I'm not, now fuck off about the password managers.
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@blakeyrat fair enough. Sorry for the misunderstanding
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@blakeyrat Actually, KeePass2Android is amazing. If you don't mind exporting whatever password manager you use to a kdbx I highly recommend it.
You can set it to autofill passwords for the current app you are using (though it can't detect the URL you are at in Chrome, so it's slightly less useful for websites)
EDIT: Oh, this isn't possible. Oh well.
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@jazzyjosh Stop giving advice to people who didn't ask you for advice. Jesus FUCK, didn't your parents teach you how rude that is? Goddamned. Do you assholes go into gyms and start running your mouth like "the reason you're so fat, person I've hardly met, is because you eat too many trans fats and..." because if you did at least you'd be physically punched in the face for this horrible behavior and maybe you'd fucking learn something about politeness.
Look, I've tried KeePass 2. It's shitty. It barely works on PCs. Go away. Forever.
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@blakeyrat I'm lazy as fuck and reply as I see posts. Your "Fuck off about password managers" post hadn't popped up yet.
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@jazzyjosh What about the preceding posts gave you the impression I was soliciting advice about what password manager I should be using? And with an "uh, actually" response too.
Because I sure as fuck wasn't.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@jazzyjosh Stop giving advice to people who didn't ask you for advice. Jesus FUCK, didn't your parents teach you how rude that is? Goddamned. Do you assholes go into gyms and start running your mouth like "the reason you're so fat, person I've hardly met, is because you eat too many trans fats and..."
If some fat guy came up to me in the gym and said "Recommend to me a workout machine", which he would then fuck around with before throwing a hissy fit about how the machine doesn't work and the whole gym sucks ass yaddayadda, I might try and give him some unsolicited advice on how to fix a few issues, yes.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
And if you think "[" is easy to type on the Android keyboard, you could not possibly be more wrong.
[ is easy to type on the Android keyboard. Symbol, Alt, [. Easy.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@pie_flavor Fuck you, I have dyslexia. It's hard enough to type those passwords on a normal keyboard for me-- I usually copy-and-paste from my password manager.
Apologies. I would never troll someone over their
legitimate mental conditionI can't actually find a qualifier that allows me to troll snowflakes, so just pretend I did intentionally.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Stop giving advice to people who didn't ask you for advice. Jesus FUCK, didn't your parents teach you how rude that is? Goddamned. Do you assholes go into gyms and start running your mouth like "the reason you're so fat, person I've hardly met, is because you eat too many trans fats and..." because if you did at least you'd be physically punched in the face for this horrible behavior and maybe you'd fucking learn something about politeness.
You complained about how hard something is to do. The natural reaction, if you know an easier way, is to say "Oh, actually you can do this, it'll make your life easier". That's the opposite of rude, and blowing up in peoples' face is... wait for it.... pretty rude.
The correct way to respond to that is "I can't do that because [insert reason here]. Thanks for the tip anyways".
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
It's shitty. It barely works on PCs.
False, but meh.
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Now ES: Legends lost it's login credentials, and it's another like 20 char password monstrosity.
How often does Android lose creds? My windows phone had no problem for 6+ months at a time.
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@blakeyrat Generally, third-party shit CBA to learn proper Android APIs other than whichever one gets them their microtransactions. So expect that to break with updates.
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This phone somehow got spam in it's calendar app.
How come none of you people warned me about shit like this?
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
This phone somehow got spam in it's calendar app.
How come none of you people warned me about shit like this?
...What?
Define spam. The only "spam" I ever got in my calendar was from the time I had Google+ and it would tack random peoples' birthdays into my calendar.
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@e4tmyl33t right; I must be making it up, Android is so great.
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@blakeyrat I wasn't doubting you, just that I've never seen that. I'd usually ascribe that to one of the more "helpful" mail apps that auto-adds calendar items for emails that are received that suggest date ranges or have an ICS file attached. I've never seen that happen with just a calendar.
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@e4tmyl33t also how do you not have Google+ anymore? I'd do anything to get rid of that turd.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@e4tmyl33t also how do you not have Google+ anymore? I'd do anything to get rid of that turd.
If you go to plus.google.com and open the Settings area, there's a link waaaaay at the bottom that says "Delete the Google Plus profile for this account".
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
How often does Android lose creds?
With non-shit apps? Very rarely.
With shitty Electron things? Ah… :(
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
How often does Android lose creds?
On TDWTF? All the time.
Oh wait, that’s the iPad.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Why should I have to download a third-party app to give me all this shit that other OSes do by default?
Ugh. I wish there was more of that, actually. Too much shovelware already. About the last thing I need cluttering up my phone is something that deals with podcasts.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Outlook lost its credentials somehow, and since my password is one of those 20-character ASCII monstrosities that takes about 37 tries to type correctly on a fucking phone keyboard, I'm not going to bother entering it again. Just going back to the Gmail app. Which, I'm sure, will lose my credentials about 37 nanoseconds after I successfully type the password.
This is where keepass really shines (except that you still have to type in your pass phrase at some point) on a phone.
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@boomzilla said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Outlook lost its credentials somehow, and since my password is one of those 20-character ASCII monstrosities that takes about 37 tries to type correctly on a fucking phone keyboard, I'm not going to bother entering it again. Just going back to the Gmail app. Which, I'm sure, will lose my credentials about 37 nanoseconds after I successfully type the password.
This is where keepass really shines (except that you still have to type in your pass phrase at some point) on a phone.
I use KeePass with a simple password and a key file that's not shared on the same service. That way I can select the key file and also have an easier password.
Ok, really, I just rely on the key file. Because I'm lazy.
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@boomzilla said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
This is where keepass really shines (except that you still have to type in your pass phrase at some point) on a phone.
Really? No way to get it to work with Touch ID or whatever the Android equivalent is called? (Only just got a phone with a fingerprint reader for the first time, so I'm not really sure.)
@benjamin-hall said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I use KeePass with a simple password and a key file that's not shared on the same service. That way I can select the key file and also have an easier password.
I use LastPass with a relatively simple master password (for me) and a keyfob. Same idea, it seems.
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@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@boomzilla said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
This is where keepass really shines (except that you still have to type in your pass phrase at some point) on a phone.
Really? No way to get it to work with Touch ID or whatever the Android equivalent is called? (Only just got a phone with a fingerprint reader for the first time, so I'm not really sure.)
Dunno. My Nexus 6 doesn't have a fingerprint reader.
@benjamin-hall said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I use KeePass with a simple password and a key file that's not shared on the same service. That way I can select the key file and also have an easier password.
I use LastPass with a relatively simple master password (for me) and a keyfob. Same idea, it seems.
Yeah. If I was only using it on desktops (or was willing to carry two different OTG dongles with me) I could put the key file on a flash drive. Instead, I manually sync it to the devices and hide it among the other files.
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@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Really? No way to get it to work with Touch ID or whatever the Android equivalent is called? (Only just got a phone with a fingerprint reader for the first time, so I'm not really sure.)
Uh, maybe, but my phone doesn't have anything like that. Keepass does have a feature where after a full unlock you can set it so that you only enter the last 3 characters (but if you get it wrong then you have to enter the full thing).
@benjamin-hall said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I use KeePass with a simple password and a key file that's not shared on the same service. That way I can select the key file and also have an easier password.
Ok, really, I just rely on the key file. Because I'm lazy.I use a long passphrase because I'm lazy. Your way sounds like work, plus how would that work with a phone? I keep my keepass on my computer, in dropbox (which my phone uses) and I have a portable version with a database that I synchronize occasionally (don't need it that often in practice) on a USB drive on my key ring.
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@boomzilla said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Your way sounds like work, plus how would that work with a phone?
NFC. Enter the short password, touch the fob to the back of the phone, boom, you're in.
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@boomzilla Last X characters actually. It's configurable.
And the new update reads the URL of your chrome tab, so it can prepopulate forms based on the website.
V And this is where blakey yells at me V
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@boomzilla said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Really? No way to get it to work with Touch ID or whatever the Android equivalent is called? (Only just got a phone with a fingerprint reader for the first time, so I'm not really sure.)
Uh, maybe, but my phone doesn't have anything like that. Keepass does have a feature where after a full unlock you can set it so that you only enter the last 3 characters (but if you get it wrong then you have to enter the full thing).
@benjamin-hall said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I use KeePass with a simple password and a key file that's not shared on the same service. That way I can select the key file and also have an easier password.
Ok, really, I just rely on the key file. Because I'm lazy.I use a long passphrase because I'm lazy. Your way sounds like work, plus how would that work with a phone? I keep my keepass on my computer, in dropbox (which my phone uses) and I have a portable version with a database that I synchronize occasionally (don't need it that often in practice) on a USB drive on my key ring.
I have the key file synced manually (over usb), but otherwise keep the database in Dropbox. The newer versions of the android client can keep it up to date from there.
Edit: oh, and the key file doesn't need updates when the database changes. It's just an SHA-type (not sure of the exact method) encryption key in a text file.
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@benjamin-hall said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Edit: oh, and the key file doesn't need updates when the database changes. It's just an SHA-type (not sure of the exact method) encryption key in a text file.
If it was an encryption key, you would have to update it. As I understand it, the key file is actually just random bytes. The database key is SHA-256(SHA-256(password), key file).
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@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@benjamin-hall said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Edit: oh, and the key file doesn't need updates when the database changes. It's just an SHA-type (not sure of the exact method) encryption key in a text file.
If it was an encryption key, you would have to update it. As I understand it, the key file is actually just random bytes. The database key is SHA-256(SHA-256(password), key file).
Yeah, that's what I meant, sort of. It's like an additional part of the password, basically exponentially increasing the strength of the password by adding lots of random bytes.
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@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@boomzilla Last X characters actually. It's configurable.
And the new update reads the URL of your chrome tab, so it can prepopulate forms based on the website.
V And this is where blakey yells at me V
We're just bragging, not offering advice to him.
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I'm assuming you've done a factory reset? Even though upgrades theoretically "just work", that's a good way to fix that issue for a lot of cases.
@sloosecannon Actually, no, I haven't yet, but it's on my to-do list. Thanks for the tip!
Now to figure out how to export my FreeOTP tokens...
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Why is the PIN entry screen you get after booting up the phone totally different than the one you get if the phone is running and locked? WTF. It's like they went out of their way to make things inconsistent and confusing.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Why is the PIN entry screen you get after booting up the phone totally different than the one you get if the phone is running and locked? WTF. It's like they went out of their way to make things inconsistent and confusing.
I vaguely remember it being in different colors and simpler-looking—how exactly is yours "totally different"? I haven't seen the different one though since they switched encryption from LUKS to eCryptFS (I think that was with Android 7) so the phone can boot up to a usable state before asking for a PIN. The technical reason was probably that the first screen came from a primitive just-loaded-the-kernel stage without any of the usual GUI toolkits available. Another one may be to tell the user "don't expect to find your usual home screen behind this, we're only just booting and will probably ask you again".
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@blakeyrat Isn't there also a difference between the screen that asks for the pin of your SIM card, and the one asking for the pin of your phone? I know I was confused when I changed phone recently that I sometimes have to enter one or the other, and it's not crystal-clear at first glance which one...
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@laoc the keypad on it is arranged differently. It's not just a cosmetic change, it's reimplimented.