Search Engine Shennanigans
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@Aaron said:
As long as we're doing clever analogies, your trolling skills are the equivalent of a 72-year-old man without his little blue pills. Most of the time, they don't work at all, and when they do work, they seem to fizzle out before it can really get interesting.
Gosh, you sure do seem to know a great deal about that sort of thing. I mean, I guess I've always assumed that things probably slow down a bit with age. But you really seem to have explored this topic quite thoroughly, with all your speculation about the duration of the act, etcetera! I really must applaud your open-mindedness. Broad though my sexual palette may be, yours is clearly still broader.
@savar said:
@bridget99 said:
I propose a clean room effort to recreate the functionality of IE6 and deliver its wholesome goodness to the world in public domain form.I further propose that the resultant product should be unencumbered by copyleft restrictions, so that businesses can customize, repackage, and redistribute the product on a for-profit basis. That's where the future lies.
If I thought that there was any legitimate chance -- not matter how small -- that you could pull this off, I would murder you.
I'm not even joking. I would hunt you down and murder you.
It would be easier than a career change at this point in my life and I would be guaranteed instant martyr status among down-trodden web developers everywhere.
I got threatened! Lulz!
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@joe.edwards said:
@bridget99 said:
Give me a cogent reason of why IE8 is better...
IE6 is the standard. All those effeminate little CSS and XHTML standards were composed by Microsoft-haters to muddy the waters after IE won the browser wars. IE shouldn't have to comply with those standards because 1) IE is much older than those standards and 2) rank-and-file developers target IE first, and only later (if at all) think about the exact standards.
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@bridget99 said:
I think that had they defaulted to Bing but left an easy way to use Google, people would have found this to be an acceptable, even democratic, approach. Even then, they would have succeeded in their goal of getting Bing some visibility. The way they've implemented this is just heavy-handed and offensive.
Microsoft made something heavy-handed and offensive? Those paragons of corporate virtue would never do scuh a thing. I'm sure each element of the 'select search engine' process went through several minutes of usibility lab testing, just like each and every one of the other 95 steps (give or take a few) IE 8 demands you complete.
You should apologize.
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@TheTXI said:
Happy nightmares:I like ponies.
Also, this thread is now about posting funny pony-related pics. [inb4 "No you can't have a pony. Not yours"]
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Thats not a search engine.
[url=http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/13186.aspx]THIS is a search engine.[/url]
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@Aaron said:
Apparently he's out of date in more than just browsers, because it hasn't been called the Winston Cup since 2003.@morbiuswilters said:
Maybe bing isn't giving him any good results for "obscure Communist revolutionaries".
Based on his most recent post, I'd wager that he was frenetically searching for "semi-popular sporting event championships".
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@rdamiani said:
Sorry, pal, we have a one-inept-troll-per-thread limit. You'll have to move on.@bridget99 said:
I think that had they defaulted to Bing but left an easy way to use Google, people would have found this to be an acceptable, even democratic, approach. Even then, they would have succeeded in their goal of getting Bing some visibility. The way they've implemented this is just heavy-handed and offensive.
Microsoft made something heavy-handed and offensive? Those paragons of corporate virtue would never do scuh a thing. I'm sure each element of the 'select search engine' process went through several minutes of usibility lab testing, just like each and every one of the other 95 steps (give or take a few) IE 8 demands you complete.
You should apologize.
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Hmm. I just checked (I don't use IE8, but have it installed), going to "find other providers" does not list google on first page! You must find the tiny "2" button to go to the second page, where it is listed first. What I really liked though: bing, listed first, has 5/5 stars, based on 168 ratings, and google has only 4/5, based on 150. Certainly the first must be better, then.
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@ounos said:
Hmm. I just checked (I don't use IE8, but have it installed), going to "find other providers" does not list google on first page! You must find the tiny "2" button to go to the second page, where it is listed first. What I really liked though: bing, listed first, has 5/5 stars, based on 168 ratings, and google has only 4/5, based on 150. Certainly the first must be better, then.
And of course, as you would have expect, I can't add a rating!!! I guess only microsoft employees are allowed to modify them. Gee...
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@ounos said:
Hmm. I just checked (I don't use IE8, but have it installed), going to "find other providers" does *not* list google on first page! You must find the tiny "2" button to go to the second page, where it is listed first. What I really liked though: bing, listed first, has 5/5 stars, based on 168 ratings, and google has only 4/5, based on 150. Certainly the first must be better, then.
[img]http://i38.tinypic.com/zv3pys.png[/img]
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@DescentJS said:
@ounos said:
Hmm. I just checked (I don't use IE8, but have it installed), going to "find other providers" does *not* list google on first page! You must find the tiny "2" button to go to the second page, where it is listed first. What I really liked though: bing, listed first, has 5/5 stars, based on 168 ratings, and google has only 4/5, based on 150. Certainly the first must be better, then.
That's clearly been photoshopped. Yahoo went out of business a decade ago.
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@dhromed said:
@DaveK said:
Happy nightmares:
I love this PA strip.
Select the pistol, and then, select this thread.
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@morbiuswilters said:
And what the hell is a "Lycos"?That's clearly been photoshopped. Yahoo went out of business a decade ago.
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I totally agree with everything bridget99 says. As a rank-and-file developer, it's nice to see somebody sticking up for the issues that we care about. I always make sure to check my sites in all the major browsers, but that's mainly to be polite. I mean, yeah... I'm running IE8 here, but I checked the site in compatibility mode and it looks great!
Oh, wait. "Compatibility mode" isn't a "make it work like 6" button.
I had a lot more to say, but it looks like I'm going to be spending the next two weeks tracking down all the rendering bugs in IE6 and rewriting my templates to compensate.
This is why developers can't have nice things...
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@DescentJS said:
[image of search providers with eloquent calligraphy across its surface]
Huh. I don't get that page. Here's what happens with me:
- IE8
- next to the search box (default Live Search) is a blue shiny button with a magnifying glass. It is a combo button, and has a dropdown-section. Clicking this will display a context-style menu with the options:- Live search
- Search this page...
- Find more providers... (loose translation from Dutch)
- Manage search engines (loose translation from Dutch)
What do you do or click to locate Google so quickly?
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@dhromed said:
@DescentJS said:
[image of search providers with eloquent calligraphy across its surface]
Huh. I don't get that page. Here's what happens with me:
- IE8
- next to the search box (default Live Search) is a blue shiny button with a magnifying glass. It is a combo button, and has a dropdown-section. Clicking this will display a context-style menu with the options:- Live search
- Search this page...
- Find more providers... (loose translation from Dutch)
- Manage search engines (loose translation from Dutch)
- Selecting "find more providers" takes you to a ugly pale-blue page. Google cannot be found there.
What do you do or click to locate Google so quickly?Didn't live in stupid, crappy Dutchland?
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Frankly, I'm not surewhere he got it either - I get the same hideous abomination that you seem to. And to make it even more shit, I can't even find ACTUAL GOOGLE SEARCH in there - I can find direct search providers for Google's various localized sites and other features, but not plain old Google.com search. However, this does not make IE8 horrible. It just makes the supporting wobsites horrible (just as Firefox's supporting wobsites are horrible - but Firefox comes with a Google search provider). And anyone who doesn't understand why Microsoft doesn't include one is a goddamned imbecile.
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@DescentJS said:
@ounos said:
Hmm. I just checked (I don't use IE8, but have it installed), going to "find other providers" does not list google on first page! You must find the tiny "2" button to go to the second page, where it is listed first. What I really liked though: bing, listed first, has 5/5 stars, based on 168 ratings, and google has only 4/5, based on 150. Certainly the first must be better, then.
I don't know what you clicked to go to that screen, here is what I get when I go to "Find more providers" on the drop-down menu right next to the search box.
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@ounos said:
I don't know what you clicked to go to that screen, here is what I get when I go to "Find more providers"
... I get a completely different selection of items.
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On an unrelated note, did anyone else laugh when they saw the name "freebase?"
This is why tech dweebs shouldn't be allowed to come up with product names.
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@bridget99 said:
I mostly use IE6 still. Somehow I found myself using a computer with the new IE (version 8 I guess?) this morning, and I ran into something that reminds me why I still use IE6 in spite of the haters.
When using the little "search" textbox near the top right corner of the browser window, one is directed to "Bing" instead of Google. This is the default search site (instead of Google, the obvious default choice). In fact, there are no other options unless one clicks a tiny "Find Other Providers..." link buried at the bottom of a deeply-nested settings dialog. Free-form typing of GOOGLE.COM is not allowed. The link provided instead directs to a slooooow Microsoft website where one can indeed find a "Google" selection, although even here it is buried among irrelevant listings for Lycos, AskJeeves, etc.
I hate this. Someone really trying to make a good browser would default the search to Google, or at least provide it as a real option. But Microsoft can't make a browser without allowing its ulterior motives to show.
For your information.
You're welcome. :)
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@bridget99 said:
@joe.edwards said:
@bridget99 said:
Give me a cogent reason of why IE8 is better...
IE6 is the standard. All those effeminate little CSS and XHTML standards were composed by Microsoft-haters to muddy the waters after IE won the browser wars. IE shouldn't have to comply with those standards because 1) IE is much older than those standards and 2) rank-and-file developers target IE first, and only later (if at all) think about the exact standards.
Come on, you're not even trying. You can do better than that.
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@dhromed said:
@DescentJS said:
[image of search providers with eloquent calligraphy across its surface]
Huh. I don't get that page. Here's what happens with me:
- IE8
- next to the search box (default Live Search) is a blue shiny button with a magnifying glass. It is a combo button, and has a dropdown-section. Clicking this will display a context-style menu with the options:- Live search
- Search this page...
- Find more providers... (loose translation from Dutch)
- Manage search engines (loose translation from Dutch)
What do you do or click to locate Google so quickly?I would guess he just typed 'Search Providers' into the Bing search for IE8. The shown page is the first ranked.
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@lpope187 said:
@dhromed said:
@DescentJS said:
[image of search providers with eloquent calligraphy across its surface]
Huh. I don't get that page. Here's what happens with me:
- IE8
- next to the search box (default Live Search) is a blue shiny button with a magnifying glass. It is a combo button, and has a dropdown-section. Clicking this will display a context-style menu with the options:- Live search
- Search this page...
- Find more providers... (loose translation from Dutch)
- Manage search engines (loose translation from Dutch)
What do you do or click to locate Google so quickly?I would guess he just typed 'Search Providers' into the Bing search for IE8. The shown page is the first ranked.
Precisely.
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@ounos said:
@DescentJS said:
@ounos said:
Hmm. I just checked (I don't use IE8, but have it installed), going to "find other providers" does *not* list google on first page! You must find the tiny "2" button to go to the second page, where it is listed first. What I really liked though: bing, listed first, has 5/5 stars, based on 168 ratings, and google has only 4/5, based on 150. Certainly the first must be better, then.
I don't know what you clicked to go to that screen, here is what I get when I go to "Find more providers" on the drop-down menu right next to the search box.
Hmm... interesting.What Windows versions are you guys running? I'm on Win7 x64, and I get the same page as Ounos in both the x64 and x86 versions of IE8. That said, I can distinctly remember seeing the page DescentJS got before. Maybe the simpler page is linked to in the initial setup routine? I can't remember how that worked.
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Perhaps MS changed the default search for IE8 at some point after I had alreay installed it. My default is Live Search.
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@dhromed said:
A person dedicated to IE6 is not interested in a feature-rich browser with all kinds of addons
Can I take you to Cancun and make you feel beautiful?
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@bridget99 said:
@dhromed said:
A person dedicated to IE6 is not interested in a feature-rich browser with all kinds of addons
Can I take you to Cancun and make you feel beautiful?
You rezzed the thread for this?
