PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz
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Where do all you guys work, where they don't trust developers?!?
Everywhere I've ever worked at, our dev boxes have been ours in all aspects except formal ownership rights.
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@timebandit said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
Maybe your wrong in thinking nobody does that.
This is all irrelevant anyway, because the fact that it's possible to do that means this is a valid bug.
Nobody puts the full lyrics of Hakuna Matata translated to Dutch in exactly 68 folder names on their desktop, but if doing so somehow caused a bug that gave a hacker root access, you still need to fucking fix it.
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@blakeyrat OK, now I want to see this become a real bug for some reason... :P
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@masonwheeler Actually I forgot this was Linux for awhile, the world where when you point out none of their shitty programs work with spaces or international characters in file names, the response is "just don't do that shrug" and apparently users of this shitty OS have just been ok with that for about 20 years and counting.
But for normal human beings, yes, you fix all bugs.
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@timebandit said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
@wharrgarbl I do that too.
Maybe your wrong in thinking nobody does that.
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@blakeyrat said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
This is all irrelevant anyway, because the fact that it's possible to do that means this is a valid bug.
Who said it was not a bug ?
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@blakeyrat said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
none of their shitty programs work with spaces or international characters in file names
I have files on my machine that proves you are wrong.
But don't let facts get in your way !
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@masonwheeler
We're not talking about dev boxes here. Well, at least I wasn't. And trusting all developers not to do anything that might bring a shared cluster used by at least 500 people across the globe down doesn't sound like a particularly bright idea.
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@asdf said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
And trusting all developers not to do anything that might bring a shared cluster used by at least 500 people across the globe down doesn't sound like a particularly bright idea.
QFT. I have one developer in particular who keeps requesting root on certain servers that service multiple production environments (just because he doesn't know how to do things as anything other than root on Linux) and he'll get it... over my dead, dismembered body.
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@blakeyrat said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
But for normal human beings, yes, you fix all bugs.
I haven't heard of anyone who fixes all bugs.
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@masonwheeler said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
Where do all you guys work, where they don't trust developers?!?
Everywhere I've ever worked at, our dev boxes have been ours in all aspects except formal ownership rights.
It's not a trust issue. The amount of trust we are given would probably alarm you (for one thing, I didn't say anything about dev). Also, these aren't our personal boxes in my case at least, I'm talking about servers which are dedicated to running a particular set of applications. It's a question of demarcation of responsibilities. The sysadmins are responsible for the box as a whole, I'm responsible for the processes that are run using {app} and so {app} management is part of my purview.
In practice what this boils down to is that if the box itself is down, or we need to add entries into the TSNAMES file (which is owned by the "oracle" user, not {app_user}), then I get the sysadmins to do something. But for routine operation of {app} I'm fine.
Not that I usually use their scripts anyway; I usually just run the {app} start and stop commands directly if I need to. Since I'm logged in as {app_user} anyway this does the right thing.
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@blakeyrat said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
Nobody puts the full lyrics of Hakuna Matata translated to Dutch in exactly 68 folder names on their desktop,
I'm a bit disappointed:
$ mkdir "$(cat hakuna_matata)" mkdir: cannot create directory ‘Hakuna Matata\nAllez, ge hebt het of niet\nHakuna Matata\n't Is maar hoe ge 't ziet\n\nGe hebt geen zorgen\nZorg maar dat ge geniet\n't Is een theorie\nFilosofie\nHakuna Matata\n\nWant...\n- Toen hij nog een zwijntje was\n- Toen ik nog een zwijntje waaaaaaaaaaas\n- Heel schoon\n- Dank u\n- Hij vond dat zijn geur niet zo'n charme bezat\nIedereen liep weg als hij zijn eten op had\n- Heel gevoelig was ik, ook al was ik een kind\n'k Was gekwetst, ik stonk altijd een uur in de wind\n\n- Wat schaamde ik mij\n- Hij schaamde zich rot\n- Nee ik was echt niet blij\n- Hij was kapot\n- Maar men zag mijn leed niet\n- ongelukkige\n- Telkens als ik een sch...\n- Hee, Pumbaa, er zijn kinderen bij\n- Oh, pardon\n\nHakuna Matata\nAllez, ge hebt het of niet\nHakuna Matata\n't Is maar hoe ge 't ziet\n\n- Je hebt geen zorgen\nZorg maar dat ge geniet\n- Ja, allez, zing maar jong\n- 't Is een theorie\nFilosofie\nHakuna Matata\n\n- Hakuna matata\nHakuna Matata\nHakuna matata\nHakuna\n\n- Ge hebt geen zorgen\nZorg maar dat ge geniet\n- 't Is een theorie\nFilosofie\nHakuna Matata’: File name too long
It's only 53 lines, so splitting it into 68 segments would bit a bit too much effort. Also, I already have root access on my machine, so it seems a bit pointless to try.
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@cvi Dutch never fails to make me chuckle.
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@asdf said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
Dutch never fails to make me chuckle.
Allez, als het dat maar is. Blij dat ik kon helpen met een dagelijkse lach.
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@luhmann said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
Allez, als het dat maar is. Blij dat ik kon helpen met een dagelijkse lach.
The best part is that I don't even have to use Google Translate. (At least not for the second sentence.)
For a while, I had the Dutch version of the theme song of Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears as my alarm tone. Definitely improved my mood in the mornings...
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@asdf said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
@cvi Dutch never fails to make me chuckle.
That's not Dutch it's Flemish.
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@pleegwat said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
That's not Dutch it's Flemish.
Tomato, potato, all the same to me.
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@pleegwat said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
That's not Dutch it's Flemish.
As usual. If Disney needs a dialect for a not so bright pig they go for Flemish.
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@wharrgarbl said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
@sloosecannon said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
if you've restricted what you can use sudo for
But nobody does that. Even wtfbank infosec that dedicate their lives to make ours more annoying don't do that.
Nobody* does that on their local machines. But it's SOP to do for production servers - it allows unprivileged accounts to do a limited subset of privileged things, like restart services, install things, do upgrades, etc.
*somebody probably does...
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@sloosecannon said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
*somebody probably does...
I know a paranoid person who has restricted users for "untrusted software" on his own laptop.
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@pleegwat said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
That's not Dutch it's Flemish.
Uh, hmm. I blame Google. Definitively searched for a Dutch translation.
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@cvi said in PSA: Lunix haz teh bugz:
a Dutch translation
Yes it is. The character s voiced with a Flemish accent in the movie.