I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Further evidence against Google.
It's sounding more and more like evidence that we should stay off your lawn.
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@RaceProUK
Pics or it's clean
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@RaceProUK
You dirty, dirty hedgehog!
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@kt_ Dunno. Your mileage is different than mine; I'm an iOS user since December, and here's what I have to say:
- I sorely miss the Back button that is omnipresent in Android;
- I sorely miss Material Design, having to cope with the angry fruit design of GUIs and Mystery Meat Navigation from which every single app suffers in its own peculiar way (and then I miss the omnipresent Back button again)
- The keyboard on Android feels superior to me (I seem to always make off-by-one typos on iOS, even after 6 months of usage)
- Apple Music is a horrible piece of fucking shit (said someone who actually likes iTunes)
- Not having files shared by default and making apps "islands" is the single fucking thing I hold my most utter contempt about! Every fucking app seems to want to invent its own fucking way to add documents to it. I can no longer just download a file.
In Android, I could download an audiobook using arkTube and point an audiobook reader app to it. In iOS, I have, say, Book Mower, which goes as fucking far as creating a whole fucking webserver so I can upload shit using web browser on my computer. All the other audiobook apps are even worse.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Do you see this?! These awful icons
I know I'm late, but: No.
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
First impression: Android is fucking ugly as fuck. Seriously, why is that?
Residual RDF. Or possibly Nescafé poisoning.
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@wft said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Not having files shared by default and making apps "islands" is the single fucking thing I hold my most utter contempt about!
Just buy that content again (and again, and again, …), you thief!
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Further evidence against Google.
I'm sitting on the shitter right now on the company's dime, so let me take a pic of myself and send it to all of my friends to see how badass I am.
So I pop open the official Android message app made by Google that people around here told me I should install if I want to criticise Google. Here's what I see when I try to take a photo:
Ok, so how do I change to the front camera to take a pic of my face? Well?
The answer is I don't. So fuck you, Google.
Actually you can. First, tap the fullscreen button in the bottom right corner. Then when it goes fullscreen, the option to switch between cameras is where the fullscreen button used to be.
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@RaceProUK said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Ok, so how do I change to the front camera to take a pic of my face? Well?
Is there a front camera to switch to?
Yes, there is. This is from the camera app.
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@coldandtired said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ This thread is just making me sadder about all the stuff Microsoft got right that I now take for granted :(
Everybody got this. Right. I bet that most of the independent message clients got this right. Just not the official message app by Google.
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@dkf said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@wft said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Not having files shared by default and making apps "islands" is the single fucking thing I hold my most utter contempt about!
Just buy that content again (and again, and again, …), you thief!
I don't understand what you're talking about. I regularly pirate books while on mobile and everything works, maybe even too well. I open them in ibooks, sync them to icloud and I'm done.
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@LB_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Further evidence against Google.
I'm sitting on the shitter right now on the company's dime, so let me take a pic of myself and send it to all of my friends to see how badass I am.
So I pop open the official Android message app made by Google that people around here told me I should install if I want to criticise Google. Here's what I see when I try to take a photo:
Ok, so how do I change to the front camera to take a pic of my face? Well?
The answer is I don't. So fuck you, Google.
Actually you can. First, tap the fullscreen button in the bottom right corner. Then when it goes fullscreen, the option to switch between cameras is where the fullscreen button used to be.
Did I say already that Google is the best at discoverability?
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@dkf said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Further evidence against Google.
It's sounding more and more like evidence that we should stay off your lawn.
That would be ideal, yes.
One can dream...
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I have been summoned by
@fbmac@wharrgarbl and so i appear.does anyone know what he wanted?
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Regarding the whole "why don't default installed apps just have permissions granted?" issue. First off, you just have to grant permissions once. That's it. Big fucking whoop. Second, it's always good to know what default apps are manufacturer or carrier spyware and which are not. I've mistakenly chosen a fucked up version of an album, music, or email app that asked if I wanted to grant it permissions to listen to calls, screw with my settings, or do some other shit that has jack shit to do with what I was using it for and would either drain my battery or send all my info to the NSA or, worse, Wal-Mart. And they get a big middle finger from me as I uninstall the app and use the less intrusive version instead.
Hell, my recently purchased Android came with an email app installed by either the manufacturer or the carrier that required permissions to WIPE MY PHONE. I mean, seriously, WTF is that all about? I sure am glad I was given the opportunity to opt-out of that bullshit.
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@accalia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I have been summoned by
@fbmac@wharrgarbl and so i appear.does anyone know what he wanted?
He reminds me of this line from Blur's Gene by Gene:
Every night and day (I'll never forget)
In the U.S.A....I DELETE MYSELFWell, to be honest he reminds me of the lyrics at the very end
Every night and day (I'll never forget)
In the U.S.A.... I delete myselfI delete myself
I delete myself
I delete myself
I delete myself
I delete myself
I delete myself
I delete myself
I delete myself
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@blakeyrat said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@powerlord I couldn't enable it for love nor money 3 weeks ago. I think it's off entirely.
Then you're somehow. I've never had any trouble playing Flash stuff on any version of Chrome.
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@blakeyrat said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@powerlord I couldn't enable it for love nor money 3 weeks ago. I think it's off entirely.
I think the problem is that, if the page defines a placeholder text for the flash applet, Chrome will just show that instead of the gray rectangle with "click here to activate plugin". So you just get a page telling you to install flash and no indication that you can activate it or how to do it.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
First take a look at the green circles. Why is there a silhouette of a person there? I can't click it, I can't do anything with it.
It lets you change the profile, and if you have multiple profiles like me, those images are useful for a quick glance.
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
that makes the other part in the second green circle be unoccupied.
It's not. That shows the list of profiles you have by small icon. Clicking on the picture or the email address brings up the menu that lets you manage profile (add remove). I can see the usefulness of both, but maybe they could have made it configurable. Honestly it doesn't take up that much space for me. Everything I want access to fits in the side menu below.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
incredibly awkward way of taking screenshots
Power+Volume down? So much more terrible then Power+Home on iPhone!
I have successfully gotten my crappy Android phone (inherited from my wife because I got her a better one) to take a screenshot maybe one time, and can't remember how now. That does not work, and neither do most of the other things. Or maybe it's just so fucking picky about having the buttons pressed at exactly the same time that it's fucking impossible to do. I remember it being like that even the one time that I got it to take the screenshot. Of course then I couldn't get Gallery to open because my phone had less than 300 MB of free space and the piece of shit Gallery app just flat out refuses to open unless you have like half a gig. Why the fuck a fucking picture gallery app can't fucking open without a fucking fuckload of space is fucking insane, if you ask me. Fuck!
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Had a great experience, for the first time. Tried to install an app but didn't have enough space. A popup showed where I could select apps that would get removed so I can get what I want. There was even the amount of space these apps take, so I could make an informed judgment call.
Ok, gotta admit, this small thing rocked.
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@The_Quiet_One said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Hell, my recently purchased Android came with an email app installed by either the manufacturer or the carrier that required permissions to WIPE MY PHONE. I mean, seriously, WTF is that all about?
It's to do with some form of Remote Management, a feature of some types of Exchange integrations. I can see the point for a device that has been purchased by an organisation, but when it comes something that it is my personal device…
FUCK, NO!
I do not trust my employer that much. I don't think I ever will. They might be mostly nice guys, but still… no. No, no, no. No.
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@accalia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I have been summoned by
@fbmac@wharrgarbl and so i appear.does anyone know what he wanted?
Yeah...
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@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@accalia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I have been summoned by
@fbmac@wharrgarbl and so i appear.does anyone know what he wanted?
Yeah...
You're a mod?
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@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@accalia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I have been summoned by
@fbmac@wharrgarbl and so i appear.does anyone know what he wanted?
Yeah...
@anotherusername saves the day again. Thanks!
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@accalia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I have been summoned by
@fbmac@wharrgarbl and so i appear.does anyone know what he wanted?
Yeah...
You're a mod?
IIRC no, he runs a userscript to capture posts as they fly by so @wharrgarbl's deleting post shenanigains don't interrupt his reading pleasure.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Had a great experience, for the first time. Tried to install an app but didn't have enough space. A popup showed where I could select apps that would get removed so I can get what I want. There was even the amount of space these apps take, so I could make an informed judgment call.
Ok, gotta admit, this small thing rocked.
Yes, this happens.
I've used both phones. Prefer android overall. Would I like to mix and match? Of course...
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Had a great experience, for the first time. Tried to install an app but didn't have enough space. A popup showed where I could select apps that would get removed so I can get what I want. There was even the amount of space these apps take, so I could make an informed judgment call.
Ok, gotta admit, this small thing rocked.
That one is nice, at least. If you go to you can find it under Storage, Applications. Give it time to calculate all the sizes and it'll sort them with the largest first.
If all you want is enough room to update, first try selecting some of the larger apps and tapping "Clear cache" -- that shouldn't affect the performance of the app at all. You can also hit "Clear data" to erase all of the app's storage... it'll be like a freshly installed app then.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@accalia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I have been summoned by
@fbmac@wharrgarbl and so i appear.does anyone know what he wanted?
Yeah...
You're a mod?
No, I have a userscript.
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@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
No, I have a userscript.
because of @fbmac ?
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@xaade said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
No, I have a userscript.
because of @fbmac ?
Amazing. How'd you guess?
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@xaade see also:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/22719/the-official-deleted-posts-topic/1
You're probably not going to have much fun reading that, though. Unless you're a mod. Or me.
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@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Had a great experience, for the first time. Tried to install an app but didn't have enough space. A popup showed where I could select apps that would get removed so I can get what I want. There was even the amount of space these apps take, so I could make an informed judgment call.
Ok, gotta admit, this small thing rocked.
That one is nice, at least. If you go to you can find it under Storage, Applications. Give it time to calculate all the sizes and it'll sort them with the largest first.
If all you want is enough room to update, first try selecting some of the larger apps and tapping "Clear cache" -- that shouldn't affect the performance of the app at all. You can also hit "Clear data" to erase all of the app's storage... it'll be like a freshly installed app then.
Yeah, this one was even better, it was a popup when I started installation. I didn't have to go to settings and do it manually, it was all there. I selected the apps I wanted out and the installation started. Awesome.
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@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
incredibly awkward way of taking screenshots
Power+Volume down? So much more terrible then Power+Home on iPhone!
I have successfully gotten my crappy Android phone (inherited from my wife because I got her a better one) to take a screenshot maybe one time, and can't remember how now. That does not work, and neither do most of the other things. Or maybe it's just so fucking picky about having the buttons pressed at exactly the same time that it's fucking impossible to do. I remember it being like that even the one time that I got it to take the screenshot. Of course then I couldn't get Gallery to open because my phone had less than 300 MB of free space and the piece of shit Gallery app just flat out refuses to open unless you have like half a gig. Why the fuck a fucking picture gallery app can't fucking open without a fucking fuckload of space is fucking insane, if you ask me. Fuck!
Yeah, on shower phones I think the trick is to press the power button about 250 ms before the volume button.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@anotherusername said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Had a great experience, for the first time. Tried to install an app but didn't have enough space. A popup showed where I could select apps that would get removed so I can get what I want. There was even the amount of space these apps take, so I could make an informed judgment call.
Ok, gotta admit, this small thing rocked.
That one is nice, at least. If you go to you can find it under Storage, Applications. Give it time to calculate all the sizes and it'll sort them with the largest first.
If all you want is enough room to update, first try selecting some of the larger apps and tapping "Clear cache" -- that shouldn't affect the performance of the app at all. You can also hit "Clear data" to erase all of the app's storage... it'll be like a freshly installed app then.
Yeah, this one was even better, it was a popup when I started installation. I didn't have to go to settings and do it manually, it was all there. I selected the apps I wanted out and the installation started. Awesome.
Yeah, that's actually an update to the Google Play Services that came along not too long ago. Before then you could get as far as completely downloading the App before it decided there wasn't enough room to install.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Yeah, on shower phones I think the trick is to press the power button about 250 ms before the volume button.
I bet Apple doesn't have shower phones yet.
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@wharrgarbl said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I bet Apple doesn't have shower phones yet.
Shower phones? What a novel idea! Quick, someone set up a Kickstarter for them!
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@wft said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I sorely miss the Back button that is omnipresent in Android;
I sorely miss Material Design, having to cope with the angry fruit design of GUIs and Mystery Meat Navigation from which every single app suffers in its own peculiar way (and then I miss the omnipresent Back button again)
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Not having files shared by default and making apps "islands" is the single fucking thing I hold my most utter contempt about! Every fucking app seems to want to invent its own fucking way to add documents to it. I can no longer just download a file.This.
Unfortunately, this is not something you can demonstrate in a flashy unboxing experience, so it isn't mentioned as much.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Android sucks in a great part, because the manufacturer can fill it with bloatware of every kind they want. And Google acts as if they can't do anything about this. On the other hand, they are able to force them not to pre-authorize their bloatware. So which is it? Why can they so the latter but can't enforce the former?
I don't think they are forcing them. The bloatware people probably didn't bother pre-authorizing their apps (because IT DOESN'T MATTER, but whatever).
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Yeah, this one was even better, it was a popup when I started installation. I didn't have to go to settings and do it manually, it was all there. I selected the apps I wanted out and the installation started. Awesome.
On the other hand, if you want to review the changes or do anything like that manually, you have to go to settings > apps, then scroll through the loooooong list of apps until you find the one you want. There is no way to get there directly from the app icon in the drawer.
I guess it works similar on iOS, but either way, I find it super annoying that app settings are segregated like that.
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@cartman82 said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Yeah, this one was even better, it was a popup when I started installation. I didn't have to go to settings and do it manually, it was all there. I selected the apps I wanted out and the installation started. Awesome.
On the other hand, if you want to review the changes or do anything like that manually, you have to go to settings > apps, then scroll through the loooooong list of apps until you find the one you want. There is no way to get there directly from the app icon in the drawer.
I guess it works similar on iOS, but either way, I find it super annoying that app settings are segregated like that.
Use a better launcher, skrub.
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@cartman82 said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
There is no way to get there directly from the app icon in the drawer.
I love my mods. :D
Actually, I think Nova Launcher provides this standard, but then you'd have to know you can change your default home screen app...
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@sloosecannon said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Yeah, didn't scroll down 3 pixels. :P
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@blakeyrat said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Note that Windows Phone was designed by the same team that designed Zune, another extremely great device that people laughed out of business. If they'd only tried one, they'd have loved it.
Can confirm. I have a Zune HD which I still use almost every day, and I am still delighted by its simple yet beautiful UI.
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@cartman82 said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@wft said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I sorely miss the Back button that is omnipresent in Android;
I sorely miss Material Design, having to cope with the angry fruit design of GUIs and Mystery Meat Navigation from which every single app suffers in its own peculiar way (and then I miss the omnipresent Back button again)
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Not having files shared by default and making apps "islands" is the single fucking thing I hold my most utter contempt about! Every fucking app seems to want to invent its own fucking way to add documents to it. I can no longer just download a file.This.
Unfortunately, this is not something you can demonstrate in a flashy unboxing experience, so it isn't mentioned as much.
I ain't a big fan of the back button, I'm never really sure what it'll do. I'm at the mercy of the developer and they are unable to embed additional information. With the usual way in iOS, I always know back will be in top left and I know there'll be a caption there, to tell me what's gonna happen.
As for sharing a file system, this might be nice, but I'm not really sure, at least the way I use my phone I never really needed it. I can copy files between apps by "sharing" them and it isn't hard to download stuff, you just need an app that'll open it. If you don't, you always can install it after downloading.
However, I do understand why some people might miss this.
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@cartman82 said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Android sucks in a great part, because the manufacturer can fill it with bloatware of every kind they want. And Google acts as if they can't do anything about this. On the other hand, they are able to force them not to pre-authorize their bloatware. So which is it? Why can they so the latter but can't enforce the former?
I don't think they are forcing them. The bloatware people probably didn't bother pre-authorizing their apps (because IT DOESN'T MATTER, but whatever).
If that's a real explanation, then HOLY FUCK!
I'm also not a big fan of having to use an arcane process that you need to put together by browsing xda-developers and pray that you won't do this one crazy thing that can result in bricking your phone that everyone knows about so they don't bother to mention it in how-tos, but that you don't know because you're not a crazy person who spends most of their time reading forum threads.
And this is the only way to avoid this whole bloatware shit.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I ain't a big fan of the back button, I'm never really sure what it'll do. I'm at the mercy of the developer and they are unable to embed additional information. With the usual way in iOS, I always know back will be in top left and I know there'll be a caption there, to tell me what's gonna happen.
Disagree. It's such an ugly hack on iOS. Awkwardly crammed in the top-left corner, sometimes there, sometimes not. Such a mess.
On Android, after a while, you just assume Back is always there and it will do the right thing. And you are almost always right.
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@cartman82 said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
On Android, after a while, you just assume Back is always there and it will do the right thing. And you are almost always right
QFT. The only apps that don't do the Right Thing are ones developed and supported by Neanderthals. And there's usually a better version that works fine, unless you're in a ridiculously niche environment. Hell, with the current tooling (and the versions since... At least Jellybean), you have to work to screw it up.
For reference, the right thing is, in order, skipped if N/A
[Minimize keyboard] (with appropriate visual cues, in most versions)
[Close modal]
[Go back to the previously opened Activity (screen)]
[Close the app if it's the last open Activity]Since hardware back buttons have been around since Android 1.0, they're pretty well supported across the board. Obviously a few apps are exceptions to this, namely Chrome, where back acts as the browser's back button.