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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
Do you realize that your daily experience is highly non-representative of the computer-using population as a whole?
Yes. Do you realize that this is irrelevant to your claim that a CLI is obsolete?
@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
As developers, we are the proverbial 1%, which gets back to the original root of my argument: the failure of Linux in the market can be traced in large part back to the persistent cultural refusal to acknowledge that the vast majority of users are not like us.
And it points out just how wrong your argument is. You're looking at one particular thing and confusing it with all the other things. Then you project onto everyone else.
@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
Pretending command lines are a user interface is a major symptom of this problem.
What problem? Why do you think I'm pretending?
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
they're entirely unsuitable as a mechanism for a human being to interact with a computer (ie. a user interface.)
Wat?
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@boomzilla said in Timesheet tracking:
Yes. Do you realize that this is irrelevant to your claim that a CLI is obsolete?
No. It establishes my claim.
And it points out just how wrong your argument is. You're looking at one particular thing and confusing it with all the other things.
That "one particular thing" is all the other things. I'm a computer user first and a programmer second. So are you, so are all of us.
What problem? Why do you think I'm pretending?
Because it's obviously not true.
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
That "one particular thing" is all the other things. I'm a computer user first and a programmer second. So are you, so are all of us.
Yesss....which again proves you wrong, since I'm a user and I find a CLI to be quite suitable for using in my computer use.
@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
Because it's obviously not true.
Ah, good, the argument from obviousness. That always convinces people when you're arguing things that directly contradict their experience.
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@boomzilla What part of "you are so far removed from being a typical user that your experience simply does not count" do you not understand?
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
@boomzilla What part of "you are so far removed from being a typical user that your experience simply does not count" do you not understand?
It's the "simply doesn't count" part where you get incoherent. Because you're trying to have your cake and eat it too by claiming that you were talking about all use cases but now you're dismissing some.
Just pick one statement and stick with it.
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
No. It establishes my claim.
No it doesn't.
CLI might not be the preferred interface for a typical user but that does not make it obsolete or unsuitable.
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
@boomzilla What part of "you are so far removed from being a typical user that your experience simply does not count" do you not understand?
Now you just sound like Jeff.
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@boomzilla My brother the hipster musician has quite the collection of vinyl records. He swears up and down that they make a better use case, as it were, because there's no analog ->digital->analog round trip involved so you get better sound quality. There are a few people out there who agree with this idea.
This does not make vinyl any less obsolete. It just means there are a bunch of weird people out there. I happen to have grown up with one of them.
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@masonwheeler Another bad analogy doesn't make your argument better.
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@boomzilla Just because you are apparently suffering from Stockholm Syndrome does not make my analogy a bad one.
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
@boomzilla Just because you are apparently suffering from Stockholm Syndrome does not make my analogy a bad one.
It being a bad one makes it a bad one.
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
@boomzilla Just because you are apparently suffering from Stockholm Syndrome does not make my analogy a bad one.
I've been to Stockholm. But I didn't get the syndrome. Your inexperience with CLIs and faulty logic are probably contributing to your misoverestimation of your analogies.
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@boomzilla said in Timesheet tracking:
Your inexperience with CLIs
You must be thinking of some straw man. I'm not saying this stuff because I don't know what command lines are actually like, but because I do know!
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@hungrier said in Timesheet tracking:
@Yamikuronue said in Timesheet tracking:
casual user
(and who therefore buy things like chromebooks)Ben L is a casual user?
You can open the CLI on a chromebook by pressing CTRL+ALT+T with the browser focused.
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
CLIs are a good mechanism for [...] programs to communicate with each other
No they're not. Text is an awful medium for cross application communication because it sacrifices machine readability for human readability. That's what APIs are for
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@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
@boomzilla said in Timesheet tracking:
Your inexperience with CLIs
You must be thinking of some straw man. I'm not saying this stuff because I don't know what command lines are actually like, but because I do know!
So it's humans you don't know?
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@Jaloopa said in Timesheet tracking:
@masonwheeler said in Timesheet tracking:
CLIs are a good mechanism for [...] programs to communicate with each other
No they're not. Text is an awful medium for cross application communication because it sacrifices machine readability for human readability. That's what APIs are for
Both are useful.