Can't turn the car radio off
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@lucas1 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
My mates car just used to go into limp mode every so often he sent it to a mechanic to find out what was wrong and they couldn't find anything other than the computer was fucked.
So? I'm not saying computers never break, I'm just saying that components broke and cars broke down long before electronics and they'll continue to do so long afterwards.
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@loopback0 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
I'm just saying that components broke and cars broke down long before electronics and they'll continue to do so long afterwards.
Why would you think I believed that it was perfect in the past?
The point I am making is that something that was relatively simple mechanically has been make over complicated by the presence of sticking a fucking computer in everything. My TV turned itself off in the middle of watching a movie because "it thought it was on for too long".
I don't want the computer trying "to help me" I want it to do exactly what the fuck I tell it to do. I want the car to do exactly what I tell it to do until it dies. I don't want it to randomly say "computer says no" when I want it to get somewhere. Fuck just stick an override button on the dashboard.
Say I had to save a loved one and I knew I could drive there quicker than the Ambulance could turn up. I would kill the car, I don't want the machine telling me it can't do it other wise it might fail. I want it rag it until it dies to get to the hospital.
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@lucas1 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
Say I had to save a loved one and I knew I could drive there quicker than the Ambulance could turn up. I would kill the car, I don't want the machine telling me it can't do it other wise it might fail. I want it rag it until it dies to get to the hospital.
That's a pretty extreme scenario but what if the car dies while you're pretending you're faster than an ambulance but before you get to the hospital?
It's a ridiculous example to use to attempt to prove a point, but seeing as you've gone all reductio ad abusrdum then I'll leave you to it.
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@loopback0 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
That's a pretty extreme scenario but what if the car dies while you're pretending you're faster than an ambulance but before you get to the hospital?
Not to be Mr Internet hard man, I drive so fast down very narrow roads most people are about to crap themselves in the passenger seat.
The point I was making is that I want the machine to do what I tell it and not try to decide for me.
Windows 10 infuriates me because "I am going to reboot now", "You must do this". No, do what I fucking tell you do and be damned the consequences.
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@loopback0 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
It's a ridiculous example to use to attempt to prove a point, but seeing as you've gone all reductio ad abusrdum then I'll leave you to it.
No it was an extreme example for you to understand my point of view. I know it isn't a valid argument.
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@dkf said in Can't turn the car radio off:
I've compared (multiple) navigation systems running on my phone with the one in my car, and the car won every time;
Your car may have won, but any good phone has more precision than mine.
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@lucas1 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
I don't drive a petrol fuelled car.
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@RaceProUK don't care it missing the point of why it needs to exist.
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@RaceProUK @dkf in car systems can run Google maps. It's the only one I tried because offline GPS systems suck at my area. (Tethering my phone internet)
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@fbmac said in Can't turn the car radio off:
in car systems can run Google maps.
Yes, but I know mine doesn't; I've not bothered to couple my phone and the car yet. (I saw that I could… and promptly decided not to.)
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@aapis said in Can't turn the car radio off:
makes you wonder why anyone buys new
I've been wondering that ever since I first noticed that buying a new car is just a way to make the ten metre trip down the dealer's driveway cost $10,000.
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@dse said in Can't turn the car radio off:
It takes courage.
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@RaceProUK said in Can't turn the car radio off:
You don't need a car computer, given a smartphone will do everything a car computer does and more, and do it better.
This. Except, a smartphone can't control the AC or measure the wheel pressure or have access to a dedicated GPS antenna on the roof*. But car makers could provide access to all that to your phone with an USB connector and a standard protocol.
People need to learn that computers are very hard**. Picking hardware is hard, putting it together is hard, making it work with the software is hard, delivering OS updates is hard, maintaining compatibility with new software is hard, and keeping everything moderately secure from hackers is hard.
I will certainly not trust Toyota or Ford or Nissan to do that right. I would barely trust Asus or Lenovo, and it's their only job. And even if I trusted them, computers change! Is Toyota going to sell me a memory upgrade to their custom in-car computer 10 years from now? I don't think so.
So, please, companies, accept you suck at computers. Let people pick their own.
*We actually had a PocketPC with a connector for an external GPS antenna, but I doubt you'll find those today
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@dkf said in Can't turn the car radio off:
The exception is navigation, where a car computer can do better due to having more power, a better aerial for GPS, and possibly access to the car's sensor network.
Pretty sure you can hook an external GPS receiver up to the phone. At least you could when they didn't have those built in...
Sensors probably not so much (although with car software being the Swiss cheese it is, I wouldn't bet my money on it being impossible), but as long as you do have GPS reception, they shouldn't be all that necessary. In the right conditions, GPS is pretty damn precise.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Can't turn the car radio off:
In the right conditions, GPS is pretty damn precise.
Yeah, in the right conditions. Round some of the hills round here, we don't really have the right conditions due to the steepness of the slopes. The car's nav doesn't have any problems; I've tested it. It has the advantage of a factory fitted aerial designed for GPS reception so it can make the best of the signals it has, and also access to the sensor network in the rest of the vehicle. The phone might have a superior processor, but it has inferior reception (as well as being inside a metal box because I'm not holding the silly thing out of the window) and no access to the sensor network; better input data is simply a massive advantage.
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@lucas1 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
Also computers in cars are about as secure as most IoT devices.
QFT
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@lucas1 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
The point I am making is that something that was relatively simple mechanically has been make over complicated by the presence of sticking a fucking computer in everything.
Which are just totally extra needless parts that provide no benefits at all.
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@lucas1 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
@RaceProUK don't care it missing the point of why it needs to exist.
This is blindingly obvious. You should just remove all the computers from your cars.
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@lucas1 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
Also computers in cars are about as secure as most IoT devices.
I think they're even less secure than that. Which says a lot about car makers.
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@anonymous234 said in Can't turn the car radio off:
This. Except, a smartphone can't control the AC or measure the wheel pressure or have access to a dedicated GPS antenna on the roof*. But car makers could provide access to all that to your phone with an USB connector and a standard protocol.
I was once working on a project that communicated through an OBDII adapter for that, actually. Except I never got very far due to lack of hardware that the car manufacturer wouldn't ever attempt to hook into my system to let it work.