Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish
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@masonwheeler said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I'm still on 7--the last release that wasn't awful--until they manage to produce something new that's not awful.
Ah, the battle cry of nerd trutherism.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@timebandit said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@hungrier said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Sure, but then you have to use Linux. At that point it's like the cure is worse than the disease
Sure, because you can't enjoy your computer saying "Fuck you, I'm rebooting"
Anyone know where the language file is? I want mine to literally say that.
Have fun!
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I know. The is not about Windows, is about saying itās āa pointless piece of shite featureā. Itās not. Itās cool. It saves time.
If you're running Windows off an SSD as you should, it saves a neglible amount of time. I count 3 seconds at max on my old 2011 hardware with the SSD on a SATA2 port. If you have a modern computer and run Windows off a proper PCIe M.2 SSD I expect the time savings to be nothing.
Also, with a decent amount of RAM the feature requires a lot of HDD space (75% of installed RAM for hibernate), which could end up a non-neglible amount of space if running Windows off an SSD. So, yeah. Explain to me the point of FastBoot for anyone who isn't still running Windows off a mechanical harddrive?
Oh, so now itās no longer a useless feature, itās just a useless feature if you have a laptop not older than 2 years or a lower grade customer device? Recently I hat to find a new laptop for my father (being the family IT guy) and let me tell you, there are many laptops with HDD only on the market.
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@masonwheeler said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I'm still on 7--the last release that wasn't awful--until they manage to produce something new that's not awful.
You should switch to Windows Hyperloop Edition. I hear itās gonna be the FASTEST OS. Youāll need a quantum computer for that, but hey!, I have a super informed friend from a highly respected company that says theyāll be in GA less than a year. Wish I could say more, but you know, I signed a DNA.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@timebandit said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@hungrier said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Sure, but then you have to use Linux. At that point it's like the cure is worse than the disease
Sure, because you can't enjoy your computer saying "Fuck you, I'm rebooting"
Anyone know where the language file is? I want mine to literally say that.
Have fun!
This is perfect, thanks. Would you happen to know which file contains the 'Getting Windows ready' message?
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@timebandit said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@hungrier said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Sure, but then you have to use Linux. At that point it's like the cure is worse than the disease
Sure, because you can't enjoy your computer saying "Fuck you, I'm rebooting"
Anyone know where the language file is? I want mine to literally say that.
Have fun!
This is perfect, thanks. Would you happen to know which file contains the 'Getting Windows ready' message?
Possibly
winlogon.exe.mui
, though since it's most likely a Windows Update message maybe not...
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@timebandit said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@hungrier said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Sure, but then you have to use Linux. At that point it's like the cure is worse than the disease
Sure, because you can't enjoy your computer saying "Fuck you, I'm rebooting"
Anyone know where the language file is? I want mine to literally say that.
Have fun!
This is perfect, thanks. Would you happen to know which file contains the 'Getting Windows ready' message?
Possibly
winlogon.exe.mui
, though since it's most likely a Windows Update message maybe not...Nope.
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@pie_flavor said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I made a test and disabled fast boot. The OS managed to shut itself down. More testing is required, but I guess I've found the reason.
Congratulations to MS for creating such a dumpsterfire of an OS. They haven't made such a turd since Windows 8.
No shit, Sherlock. Windows 8 was the previous OS. Windows 10 is the only thing since Windows 8.
Reading between the lines isn't your strong point, no?
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@brisingraerowing said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I just updated to the FCU
My laptop keeps trying and trying. It rebooted itself again today; I haven't actually looked at Event Viewer, but I have no reason to believe it was any more successful today than it was the last 10 times.
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@benjamin-hall said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I've had zero problems with win 10 that weren't my own fault
You sound like someone with an abusive partner.
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@kt_ Well, maybe if Windows would be a competently designed and well-built OS it would do a fast and clean boot from any kind of harddrive without the need for artificial crutches to give the illusion of booting fast.
Also, I was just hit with the new Windows "feature" mentioned in the OP. Colleague came in and connected his laptop and started the boot and then went for coffee. And ofc he had a browser tab with YT open, so it would load behind the login screen and start playing the world's longest fucking ad. Seriously, what inbred mongrel at Microsoft thought that feature would be a good idea ever? Fuck Microsoft and their ideas of "helpful" features. Is that yet another thing designed to make Windows look faster than it actually is? As the login tends to be very slow compared to the competition preloading would also give the illusion of Windows being faster than it really is.
So, my message to Microsoft: Stop adding these crutches to give the illusion of your OS being fast and work on actually MAKING it fast. Sort the underlying issues instead of just painting over the cracks. And fire the team who keeps coming up with and implementing these misfeatures.
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ Well, maybe if Windows would be a competently designed and well-built OS it would do a fast and clean boot from any kind of harddrive without the need for artificial crutches to give the illusion of booting fast.
Also, I was just hit with the new Windows "feature" mentioned in the OP. Colleague came in and connected his laptop and started the boot and then went for coffee. And ofc he had a browser tab with YT open, so it would load behind the login screen and start playing the world's longest fucking ad. Seriously, what inbred mongrel at Microsoft thought that feature would be a good idea ever? Fuck Microsoft and their ideas of "helpful" features. Is that yet another thing designed to make Windows look faster than it actually is? As the login tends to be very slow compared to the competition preloading would also give the illusion of Windows being faster than it really is.
So, my message to Microsoft: Stop adding these crutches to give the illusion of your OS being fast and work on actually MAKING it fast. Sort the underlying issues instead of just painting over the cracks. And fire the team who keeps coming up with and implementing these misfeatures.
Colleague opened YouTube in his browser. Browser and Youtube autoplay everything. It's Windows fault.
Did I get it right?
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@mrl you missed:
Microsoft making things faster is bad because they're not really faster, even though the end result is the same as it being faster
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@mrl said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Colleague opened YouTube in his browser. Browser and Youtube autoplay everything. It's Windows fault.
Did I get it right?Nope. Colleague started up his computer and went for coffee during the boot process. Windows, on the login screen, does the new "background login" feature and logs him in in the background, including starting his browser which was on a Youtube tab which also starts playing the video on said tab as the browser is given focus. This is before he has entered any username and password on the login screen, so the computer is still locked.
Gotta love his reaction upon looking at what was on Youtube, though. "Who has been watching hockey on my computer? Now my entire history and recommended videos are all hockey! I hate hockey!"
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@tsaukpaetra said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@el_heffe said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I always thought Windows should just try to detect any deviations from the standard (no matter how small) and pop up a message like
Warning: the NVIDIA driver for your NVIDIA device has returned an internal error. Your NVIDIA device or driver might be faulty. Please contact NVIDIA for a replacement or a fix
And Nvidia will say it's Microsoft's fault.
Then what?
Cat fight! With Mud!
Mud fight! With cats!
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@jaloopa said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@mrl you missed:
Microsoft making things faster is bad because they're not really faster, even though the end result is the same as it being faster
All cache is fraud.
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Nope. Colleague started up his computer and went for coffee during the boot process. Windows, on the login screen, does the new "background login" feature and logs him in in the background, including starting his browser which was on a Youtube tab which also starts playing the video on said tab as the browser is given focus. This is before he has entered any username and password on the login screen, so the computer is still locked.
So I got it right.
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I wonder why MS don't just take it a step further and just preboots the computer for you and logs you in when it thinks that you want to use it, so it's all ready for you, no need to enter any password or anything, just sit down and use! The ultimate in speed, as the user wont even see any of that pesky boot process or deal with entering a password or PIN!
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I wonder why MS don't just take it a step further and just preboots the computer for you and logs you in when it thinks that you want to use it, so it's all ready for you, no need to enter any password or anything, just sit down and use! The ultimate in speed, as the user wont even see any of that pesky boot process or deal with entering a password or PIN!
Next version will come with a "Download porn in the background" feature.
Enterprise version will also allow you to download the porn from other computers in the domain, to make it even faster!
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@timebandit said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
When you have driver issue on Linux, it's Linux fault. And when you have driver issue on Windows, it's the hardware manufacturer's fault.
Not always. Back back back in the day, I bought a cheapo Taiwanese PCMCIA Ethernet card for a laptop, supposedly an NE2000 clone. (Back in the days when laptops didn't automatically include an Ethernet port and WiFi was not yet a thing.)
I installed the Win98 drivers (98SE), and Win98 was immediately willing to use the card to talk to the local network, and it worked.
By some handwavy magic, including the hard disk being easy to get at and extract, I also installed some flavour of Red Hat Linux (5.1 or 6.0, that sort of time), and it refused point blank to use the card. It recognised it, but the silicon was epically buggy, and the NE2000 drivers knew this and wouldn't work with it. Of course the Win98 drivers on the floppy that came with the card knew how to navigate around the bugs, but ...
So, yeah, not exactly a hardware problem, but pretty close to one, and Windows handled it better than Linux.
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
no need to enter any password or anything
Yeah, this is clearly a logical extension of the preloading and caching. Certainly not the last resort of a Windows hater with no good reason who's run out of vaguely sensible arguments
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@jaloopa I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the need for FastBoot on a computer equipped with an SSD. Also, for that matter, explain to me why Windows should preload an entire user session, including the previously running apps, before anyone has even selected what user should be logged into the computer.
I do have plenty of reasons to dislike certain features in Windows, and there is a lot of decisions that I question. These two being two of them. And I reserve my right to spew as much bile as possible over them!
Also, if you want someone who hates Windows, try talking to my colleague. He hates Windows with such a passion it makes me look like a 100% Windows fanboy in comparison. (He also for some reason ends up having shitloads of issues that nobody else encounters. I suspect there's some mutual hatred going on there.)
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the need for FastBoot on a computer equipped with an SSD
Because all computers are modern and fast and have SSDs. Windows has never been installed on something a bit slow or cheap or old!
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Also, for that matter, explain to me why Windows should preload an entire user session, including the previously running apps, before anyone has even selected what user should be logged into the computer
I'm the only user who ever logs into my computer. I suspect there are a lot where this is also the case. For those that don't the background login thing has no benefit but probably also little to no downside either.
I will concede that letting videos play before interactively logging on is bad and should have been ferreted out in testing. Maybe something like launching login services and similar, but no actual windows. I imagine that bug will be fixed in a forthcoming update
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@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I signed a DNA.
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@jaloopa For the first point, as Windows knows if it's installed on a mechanical drive or an SSD it could set the default state as active or inactive as needed. It would be nice with a checkbox in the settings for it so it'd be easier to enable and disable too, maybe with an explanation of what it does.
For the second I can concede that for the majority of cases it actually is useful and I think the main issue I got with it really is another feature introduced in the FCU (iirc). As was mentioned in one of the other FCU topics, they changed the default shutdown option to automatically restore all open apps on next boot, which is what I would guess is causing it to for example reopen browsers that happened to be shut down with a YouTube video as the active tab. And there's where I wish they'd have done that like macOS does it and ask on shutdown what the default should be. Or at least include it as an easily accessible option to give a choice on how it should work.
There is also the option of waiting with restoring the open apps until the actual login and just preload everything else, like the autostart list.
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@atazhaia I remember a bunch of people complaining on these very forums that having windows restart for updates was bad because it wouldn't re-open windows. So they implemented a solution, trying to speed things up as much as possible for the normal case (single-user PCs). That Chrome, in particular, and YouTube (in more particular) decided that the best thing to do was autoplay all the things isn't Windows' fault.
Of course, I'm one of those odd people who shuts all the programs down before shutting down the system, but...
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@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I know. The is not about Windows, is about saying itās āa pointless piece of shite featureā. Itās not. Itās cool. It saves time.
If you're running Windows off an SSD as you should, it saves a neglible amount of time. I count 3 seconds at max on my old 2011 hardware with the SSD on a SATA2 port. If you have a modern computer and run Windows off a proper PCIe M.2 SSD I expect the time savings to be nothing.
Also, with a decent amount of RAM the feature requires a lot of HDD space (75% of installed RAM for hibernate), which could end up a non-neglible amount of space if running Windows off an SSD. So, yeah. Explain to me the point of FastBoot for anyone who isn't still running Windows off a mechanical harddrive?
Oh, so now itās no longer a useless feature, itās just a useless feature if you have a laptop not older than 2 years or a lower grade customer device? Recently I hat to find a new laptop for my father (being the family IT guy) and let me tell you, there are many laptops with HDD only on the market.
It's was never a feature. It's a bug. Sheesh.
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
no need to enter any password or anything, just sit down and use!
No, it'll be Apple that ends up doing that. They let the cat out of the bag a little earlier than they meant to. :P
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the need for FastBoot on a computer equipped with an SSD.
Because it's faster than a normal boot, I assume.
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@mrl said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@jaloopa said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@mrl you missed:
Microsoft making things faster is bad because they're not really faster, even though the end result is the same as it being faster
All cache is fraud.
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Nope. Colleague started up his computer and went for coffee during the boot process. Windows, on the login screen, does the new "background login" feature and logs him in in the background, including starting his browser which was on a Youtube tab which also starts playing the video on said tab as the browser is given focus. This is before he has entered any username and password on the login screen, so the computer is still locked.
So I got it right.
I think you read a different post than I did.
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@anonymous234 said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the need for FastBoot on a computer equipped with an SSD.
Because it's faster than a normal boot, I assume.
After turning it off, I can say this unnoticeable. But I'm on a M.2 NVMe SSD.
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@boomzilla said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I know. The is not about Windows, is about saying itās āa pointless piece of shite featureā. Itās not. Itās cool. It saves time.
If you're running Windows off an SSD as you should, it saves a neglible amount of time. I count 3 seconds at max on my old 2011 hardware with the SSD on a SATA2 port. If you have a modern computer and run Windows off a proper PCIe M.2 SSD I expect the time savings to be nothing.
Also, with a decent amount of RAM the feature requires a lot of HDD space (75% of installed RAM for hibernate), which could end up a non-neglible amount of space if running Windows off an SSD. So, yeah. Explain to me the point of FastBoot for anyone who isn't still running Windows off a mechanical harddrive?
Oh, so now itās no longer a useless feature, itās just a useless feature if you have a laptop not older than 2 years or a lower grade customer device? Recently I hat to find a new laptop for my father (being the family IT guy) and let me tell you, there are many laptops with HDD only on the market.
It's was never a feature. It's a bug. Sheesh.
OK Blakey
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@jaloopa said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@boomzilla said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@kt_ said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I know. The is not about Windows, is about saying itās āa pointless piece of shite featureā. Itās not. Itās cool. It saves time.
If you're running Windows off an SSD as you should, it saves a neglible amount of time. I count 3 seconds at max on my old 2011 hardware with the SSD on a SATA2 port. If you have a modern computer and run Windows off a proper PCIe M.2 SSD I expect the time savings to be nothing.
Also, with a decent amount of RAM the feature requires a lot of HDD space (75% of installed RAM for hibernate), which could end up a non-neglible amount of space if running Windows off an SSD. So, yeah. Explain to me the point of FastBoot for anyone who isn't still running Windows off a mechanical harddrive?
Oh, so now itās no longer a useless feature, itās just a useless feature if you have a laptop not older than 2 years or a lower grade customer device? Recently I hat to find a new laptop for my father (being the family IT guy) and let me tell you, there are many laptops with HDD only on the market.
It's was never a feature. It's a bug. Sheesh.
OK Blakey
Look, no one ever said that making fast non-buggy software was easy!
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
For the first point, as Windows knows if it's installed on a mechanical drive or an SSD it could set the default state as active or inactive as needed. It would be nice with a checkbox in the settings for it so it'd be easier to enable and disable too, maybe with an explanation of what it does.
Or, without having to detect anything, it could default to the option that is just as fast or faster, and works without any issue for 90+% of people, and still have that setting.
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@hungrier said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
For the first point, as Windows knows if it's installed on a mechanical drive or an SSD it could set the default state as active or inactive as needed. It would be nice with a checkbox in the settings for it so it'd be easier to enable and disable too, maybe with an explanation of what it does.
Or, without having to detect anything, it could default to the option that is just as fast or faster, and works without any issue for 90+% of people, and still have that setting.
Also kills the SSD in the meantime.
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@neighborhoodbutcher
Though given that even shitty SSDs routinely test to 800TB+ of writes in useful lifetime, it's not exactly a significant portion of the SSD's useful life, unless you're "shutting down" once an hour or something.
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@neighborhoodbutcher AIUI writes are no longer such a problem on SSDs given wear leveling, TRIM support, etc. and they now have the same MTTF as platter hard drives. But I suspect that the apprehension of failure is going to last a while in this industry that doesn't update its attitudes quickly.
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@izzion said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher
Though given that even shitty SSDs routinely test to 800TB+ of writes in useful lifetime, it's not exactly a significant portion of the SSD's useful life, unless you're "shutting down" once an hour or something.Whatever the amount is, that's disk life wasted for no reason.
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@neighborhoodbutcher Oh, please. If you're going to treat your computer like a FabergƩ egg, every moment it's powered on and you're not typing is wasting component life for no reason.
Computers are meant to be used.
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@heterodox said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher Oh, please. If you're going to treat your computer like a FabergƩ egg, every moment it's powered on and you're not typing is wasting component life for no reason.
Computers are meant to be used.
Oh, right, abusing the lifespan of my disk while gaining nothing is a good use case.
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@neighborhoodbutcher
Let's say you'reone of those people for whom data caps really cramp your porn torrenting stylea heavy content creator, and you write 1TB of new videos to your disk every month, writing to the SSD first for performance before shipping it off to cheaper long term storage. But you were cheap, so your SSD only has an expected life cycle of 800TB written, or 66 years.Now Windows 10 comes along, and it's writing 24GB of data to your disk every time you "shut down" at night, since the LEDs on your case fans are so bright the neighbors complain if you don't shut down. This increases your monthly writes to 1.75TB, thus lowering your hard drive's expected useful lifetime by 42%!!!... From 10x the useful life of the rest of the components to 6x.
Whoop.
De.
Do.
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@izzion Unacceptable! He was going to pass that SSD on to his grandkids
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@atazhaia said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
"helpful"
That word. It gives me flashbacks.
āYou weren't there, man. You weren't there!ā
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@hardwaregeek said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@brisingraerowing said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I just updated to the FCU
My laptop keeps trying and trying. It rebooted itself again today; I haven't actually looked at Event Viewer, but I have no reason to believe it was any more successful today than it was the last 10 times.
My Insider-build machine was like that. Had to nuke/pave it. (Haven't put it back on the insider track yet) My normal build machines have all been ok... (Had to reimage my Insider VMs a couple times too)
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@heterodox said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
going to last a while in this industry that doesn't update its attitudes quickly
This is an industry that doesn't like to reboot its attitudes at allā¦
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@izzion The reason why "fast boot" exists in the first place is that people refused to change their habit from "shut down" to "hibernate" or "sleep", despite Microsoft's attempts.
However you want to call it, loading a working internal state from hard drive (SSD or not) makes more sense than having to re-build it every time. Just keeping it in RAM is even better, but of course that takes some extra milliwatts which is unacceptable to some people.
So they just gave up and put the functionality right in the shut down feature.
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@dcon said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
My Insider-build machine was like that. Had to nuke/pave it.
Yeah, mine did that too, and it's not the first time. I'm starting to think getting Insider updates is a bad call for a number of reasons.
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@heterodox said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
I'm starting to think getting Insider updates is a bad call for a number of reasons
Don't they specifically say not to use them on a PC you couldn't do without due to the possibility of bugs and data loss?
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@jaloopa said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
Don't they specifically say not to use them on a PC you couldn't do without due to the possibility of bugs and data loss?
Of course they do. And of course I don't (use them on such a PC). But I'm starting to think the hassle by itself is outweighing the early access to useful features. The biggest one was LXSS, that's GA now, and I don't see a lot more interesting stuff coming down the pipeline.
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@izzion said in Fall Creators Update, or how to fuck up the OS from start to finish:
@neighborhoodbutcher
Let's say you'reone of those people for whom data caps really cramp your porn torrenting stylea heavy content creator, and you write 1TB of new videos to your disk every month, writing to the SSD first for performance before shipping it off to cheaper long term storage. But you were cheap, so your SSD only has an expected life cycle of 800TB written, or 66 years.Now Windows 10 comes along, and it's writing 24GB of data to your disk every time you "shut down" at night, since the LEDs on your case fans are so bright the neighbors complain if you don't shut down. This increases your monthly writes to 1.75TB, thus lowering your hard drive's expected useful lifetime by 42%!!!... From 10x the useful life of the rest of the components to 6x.
Whoop.
De.
Do.
Ok, so you were unable to understand what I meant by "whatever the amount is". Let me help by providing an explanation.
I don't like that someone made the decision to enable such feature without asking or even telling me, especially when such feature has a measurable impact on my hardware. Because asking the user is too passe in 2017, right? If you don't give a shit about such things - fine, that's your decision. But it needs to be a decision in the first place.
Also, I have my OS on 950 pro which is rated at 200TB, not 800 like older cell configurations, but that's besides the point. Just to point out that cheaper SSDs have actually longer lifespans. Nice attempt at assuming the other side doesn't know it.
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@neighborhoodbutcher
Oh, I understood the pendantry you're aiming for. But when the change is from "multiples of the useful life of a computer" to "multiples of the useful life of a computer", it's not a functional change.And you obviously didn't read the link I provided and don't follow SSD testing articles, since Samsung PRO drives like the precursors to the 900 tested to 800TB in that link, and Samsung drives routinely test to 800-1000TB in similar tests (though Intel and Corsairs test better, so by going with Samsung you're still going with the cheap/shitty drives )