Lotus Notes: Spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!



  • Hah:

    @@matnewman said:

    This tweet was sent from Lotus Notes @Blakeyrat @nosliwmas, check it out: http://wildfire.openntf.org



  • Oh god, my little filly, scare bears and gummy animals all in one.

     

    *shudders and falls over dead*



  • Notice how many dumb steps are involved in getting the thing installed in Lotus Notes?



  • @KattMan said:

    shudders and falls over dead

    I have absolutely no idea what that implies. You like the image? Hate it? Literally are dead? I am totally lost.



  • Looking at the sender's bio on twitter:
    @@matnewman said:

    THE Lotus Notes Guy. Productivity Guru. Social Evangelist. IBM Champion for IBM Collaboration Solutions, 2011/2012

    ...and knowing your correct attitude towards Lotus Notes, I'm wondering about why he would tweet this to you. Have you trolled this guy before, or something? Or is he just as clueless as putting "THE Lotus Notes Guy" in his bio makes him look?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @KattMan said:
    shudders and falls over dead

    I have absolutely no idea what that implies. You like the image? Hate it? Literally are dead? I am totally lost.

    Perhaps he was dictating



  • @boomzilla said:

    Or is he just as clueless as putting "THE Lotus Notes Guy" in his bio makes him look?
    I equate this to "THE herpes guy". Not something you should be proud of. In fact, there is probably medication for both diseases...



  • @boomzilla said:

    Looking at the sender's bio on twitter:
    @@matnewman said:
    THE Lotus Notes Guy. Productivity Guru. Social Evangelist. IBM Champion for IBM Collaboration Solutions, 2011/2012

    ...and knowing your correct attitude towards Lotus Notes, I'm wondering about why he would tweet this to you. Have you trolled this guy before, or something? Or is he just as clueless as putting "THE Lotus Notes Guy" in his bio makes him look?

    In response to this thread.

    And I've never talked to any Lotus Notes people on Twitter before-- they apparently just have a saved search on "Lotus Notes" and use it to butt-in to other people's conversations.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    they apparently just have a saved search on "Lotus Notes" and use it to butt-in to other people's conversations.

    Let's be honest: at this point, spamming Twitter is probably the best use of the Notes development budget. Sort of a Scorched Earth policy, if you will.



  • So he's trying to be the new Kibo?



  • The Twitter Plugin for Lotus Notes - Because computers can only do one thing at a time®



  • @El_Heffe said:

    The Twitter Plugin for Lotus Notes - Because computers running Lotus Notes can seriously, we're not joking only do one thing at a time®

    FTFY.



  • The Twitter "Lotus Notes" search is pretty amusing, it's about 50% people bitching about how shitty the product is, and 50% IBM employees talking it up.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    The Twitter "Lotus Notes" search is pretty amusing, it's about 50% people bitching about how shitty the product is, and 50% IBM employees talking it up.

    "If Lotus Notes was a dude, I would fight him. No warning. No "come at me bro." Just straight up throw down."




  • @El_Heffe said:

    @blakeyrat said:

    The Twitter "Lotus Notes" search is pretty amusing, it's about 50% people bitching about how shitty the product is, and 50% IBM employees talking it up.

    "If Lotus Notes was a dude, I would fight him. No warning. No "come at me bro." Just straight up throw down."


    Here's a "positive" quote from an IBM employee's twitter:

    @IBM Guy said:

    Lotus training feedback: "When I started your class, I really hated Notes. I hate it a LOT LESS now. Thanks!" #ILoveLotusNotes #Lotusbp


    So if they can stop short of having their users drive a fertilizer bomb into their lobby, IBM considers it a job well done.


    Does anyone else suspect that the Notes team has one of those "Days Since an Accident" boards in their office, except it's titled "Days Since We've Driven a Customer to a Shooting Spree"? And that some poor IBM middle manager frequently has to walk up to it, gently shake his head and set it back to zero?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Does anyone else suspect that the Notes team has one of those "Days Since an Accident" boards in their office, except it's titled "Days Since We've Driven a Customer to a Shooting Spree"? And that some poor IBM middle manager frequently has to walk up to it, gently shake his head and set it back to zero?

    That's valuable data. You shouldn't just discard it. Think of all the controlling and continuous process improvement you can do!

    [img]http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3332/lotusnoters.png[/img]



  • @El_Heffe said:

    The Twitter Plugin for Lotus Notes - Because computers can only do one thing at a time®

    So Lotus Notes is pretty much emacs' thalidomide baby.



  • One of my favorite internal projects a few months ago was replacing a Lotus Notes data entry app that one of my predecessors hacked together... oh, probably long enough ago that LN's offline data sync foo was actually sort of relevant at the time. (What's a web app?) Between the weird UI and the licensing issues on both clients and server, I can only imagine what merry hell it would be to actually have to use the thing to deal with your e-mail.

     



  • Out of curiosity I clicked the link without having Lotus Notes installed and it gave me what appeared to be an XML file that contains another XML file in a CDATA section that mainly serves to link to another URL...



  • @boomzilla said:

    Or is he just as clueless as putting "THE Lotus Notes Guy" in his bio makes him look?

    His twitter feed screams RABID FANBOI SO LOTUS NOTES IT HURTS!

    @@matnewman said:

    I just LOVE that Lotus Notes allows me to select the correct time zone while scheduling a meeting

    Lotus Notes replication ... you still ROCK! Open my Notebook on another computer and all the Notes I made today are there! :D

    Without Lotus Notes replication my ability to work here would be almost impossible!

    Mail, Calendar, Contacts and To-Do's are only the beginning Lotus Notes capabilities.

    Lotus Notes is over 21 years old, data created in 1989 v1 can be accessed today in v8.5.3 no conversion required

    Hints of a SpectateMat there. There's a fine line between being passionate about something, and tweet ejaculation... I wonder if LN can auto-purge monitor spoo.

    @@matnewman said:

    WOW!! Did you know you can put Facebook Birthdays/Events into Lotus Notes calendar using an iCalendar?

    No. But I know a LN guru that's THE Lotus Guy. He's bound to know all about this stuff.

    @@matnewman said:

    The version of Lotus Notes that only had 6 hourly OOO notifications by defult isn't even supported anymore

    Sounds like an update to the Domino Blog teplate with easy to configure themes & plug-ins would be useful...

    Sounds like a spill-chucker would also be useful...

    Who here HAS actually used Notes? We were contemplating Domino training at one time, but it seemed there wasn't enough interest.



  • @Cassidy said:

    Who here HAS actually used Notes? We were contemplating Domino training at one time, but it seemed there wasn't enough interest.

    I used it for a while, though not as my primary email / calendar / whatever. One of my customers used it with their ERP system, though, as an EDI system to transmit orders to us, and for us to transmit status back. I had to get a modem on my machine (this was late nineties) so I could have Notes dial out to their server. So while I never got to truly experience the hell that others describe, I got a good glimpse, and everything I saw lived up to the hype.



  • @Cassidy said:

    Who here HAS actually used Notes? We were contemplating Domino training at one time, but it seemed there wasn't enough interest.

    Not only used, but supported.



  • I used it for a while... we had the version that was right before the one that ran inside eclipse...

    Then we switched to the eclipse version.... I did everything I could to avoid it... I tried moving just the email parts into the eclipse that I was using for real work but that was futile....

    If it still is email inside an IDE then someone seriously needs to be kicked... repeatedly...



  • @that really other guy said:

    I used it for a while... we had the version that was right before the one that ran inside eclipse...

    Then we switched to the eclipse version.... I did everything I could to avoid it... I tried moving just the email parts into the eclipse that I was using for real work but that was futile....

    If it still is email inside an IDE then someone seriously needs to be kicked... repeatedly...

    Wait.. Notes is now built on top of Eclipse??



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @that really other guy said:
    I used it for a while... we had the version that was right before the one that ran inside eclipse...

    Then we switched to the eclipse version.... I did everything I could to avoid it... I tried moving just the email parts into the eclipse that I was using for real work but that was futile....

    If it still is email inside an IDE then someone seriously needs to be kicked... repeatedly...

    Wait.. Notes is now built on top of Eclipse??

    Yeah. They found a way to answer the question, "how can we make this more of a WTF?"



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    @that really other guy said:
    I used it for a while... we had the version that was right before the one that ran inside eclipse...

    Then we switched to the eclipse version.... I did everything I could to avoid it... I tried moving just the email parts into the eclipse that I was using for real work but that was futile....

    If it still is email inside an IDE then someone seriously needs to be kicked... repeatedly...

    Wait.. Notes is now built on top of Eclipse??

    Yeah. They found a way to answer the question, "how can we make this more of a WTF?"

    Neckbeards, we can re-engineer Notes. We have the intellectual property. We have the capability to build the worlds first second operating system in an IDE. EclipseNotes will be that IDE. Worse than either was before. More fragile...more bloated...slower.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Neckbeards, we can re-engineer Notes. We have the intellectual property. We have the capability to build the worlds first second operating system in an IDE. EclipseNotes will be that IDE. Worse than either was before. More fragile...more bloated...slower.

    You missed the punchline:

    The cost? $6 million. Per seat.



  • @boomzilla said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    @morbiuswilters said:
    @that really other guy said:
    I used it for a while... we had the version that was right before the one that ran inside eclipse...

    Then we switched to the eclipse version.... I did everything I could to avoid it... I tried moving just the email parts into the eclipse that I was using for real work but that was futile....

    If it still is email inside an IDE then someone seriously needs to be kicked... repeatedly...

    Wait.. Notes is now built on top of Eclipse??

    Yeah. They found a way to answer the question, "how can we make this more of a WTF?"

    Neckbeards, we can re-engineer Notes. We have the intellectual property. We have the capability to build the worlds first second operating system in an IDE. EclipseNotes will be that IDE. Worse than either was before. More fragile...more bloated...slower.

    Now all we need is an IDE inside of Notes, and the Ouroboros of shitty software will have eaten its own tail.



  • @Cassidy said:

    Who here HAS actually used Notes? We were contemplating Domino training at one time, but it seemed there wasn't enough interest.

    Was a fairly heavy user, but stopped well over 15 years ago. Touched it one in the last decade. In the early 1990's it did have some compelling promise....



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Now all we need is an IDE inside of Notes, and the Ouroboros of shitty software will have eaten its own tail.

    Chuck in a slo-mo video player with random scrolling text and you may have an interested customer.

    Okay, so Notes is universally reviled. Does it have any redeeming features? Other than those that are.. erm.. found in other products?

    I mean, there must be a reason it's still being used and championed by yellow-boi here.... right?



  • @Cassidy said:

    I mean, there must be a reason it's still being used and championed by yellow-boi here.... right?
    It can do things other than email. Then again, so can the internet.

    In all fairness, I think most of the people who use it are people who started using it years and years ago, and most are jumping ship to Exchange or Google Apps for Business.



  • @Cassidy said:

    Okay, so Notes is universally reviled. Does it have any redeeming features? Other than those that are.. erm.. found in other products?

    No.

    @Cassidy said:

    I mean, there must be a reason it's still being used and championed by yellow-boi here.... right?

    The "selling point" is that in addition to being shitty at email and calendaring, it can also be used to make shitty Access-like database apps. The big problem with this is that buying a copy of, say, Outlook and Filemaker for each seat can accomplish the same thing, and both Outlook and Filemaker don't suck shit, and your cost is the exact same. Or, hell, C# is so easy now you don't even need a Access-clone, just build your app in C# Express and SQL Server Express and it'll take the same dev time.

    The real selling point is IBM buys C**-level employees crack and hookers.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    The real selling point is IBM buys C**-level employees crack and hookers.

    Which is Notes' biggest flaw. If they'd buy me crack and hookers, I'd evangelize the shit out of it.



  • To be fair, Notes 8 (the first Eclipse-based version) made the Notes UI look a lot better than previous versions.

    It didn't work any better, it wasn't any faster, Domino apps were still crap, and all three client applications (Notes, Domino Admin, and Domino Designer) would still lock up simultaneously if any one of them tried to contact a server that wasn't there anymore.

    But it looked a lot better.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Cassidy said:

    Who here HAS actually used Notes? We were contemplating Domino training at one time, but it seemed there wasn't enough interest.
    I'm running Notes 8.5 on a Windows 7 box at work. I have to close the app every day or so or else the font starts flipping back and forth to boldface when I type a message.



  • @Someone You Know said:

    To be fair, Notes 8 (the first Eclipse-based version) made the Notes UI look a lot better than previous versions.

    Would it have been possible to have made it [i]worse[/i]? I mean, Lotus Notes sets the bar pretty low.



  •  G'Day All. If you do have any questions on Notes, feel free to ping me, always happy to help.



  • I have a question. How much does IBM pay you?



  • Is it me or this guy joined after he posted? WHAT IS GOING ON!!! OMG LOTUS NOTES HAS BROKEN THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Is it me
     

    Yes, it's you.

    Or rather, it's CS localising the post timestamp but not the signup date.

    His post timestamp reads "23 Jul 2012 4:40 AM" to me. I don't know what that equates to in Canadark Standard Time, so I'm guessing that's accounting for the discrepency.

     



  • @Cassidy said:

    @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Is it me
     

    Yes, it's you.

    Or rather, it's CS localising the post timestamp but not the signup date.

    His post timestamp reads "23 Jul 2012 4:40 AM" to me. I don't know what that equates to in Canadark Standard Time, so I'm guessing that's accounting for the discrepency.

     

    It's a good thing that you took the time to explain that it was only a bug in CS and that Lotus Notes did not, after all, cause a break in space-time continuum.

    You suck!


  •  IBM doesn't pay me anything.



  •  And no, Lotus Notes didn't break the space-time continuum :-) but Daily WTF gives you the option to localise time zone settings, Cassidy looks right on that one.



  • @MatNewman said:

    IBM doesn't pay me anything.

    So you spend your sunday evenings trolling the Internets to find negative threads about Lotus Notes and do damage control, and you're not getting paid for it?

    Notes users are stupid. Well, I guess that's pretty self-evident-- smarter people would have found a decent email client long ago.



  • Nobody noticed the two-month necro?



  •  LOL, no ... It's Monday afternoon here, and this site came up in my copyscape notification feed - in Lotus Notes feed-reader, of course! ;-)



  • @Ben L. said:

    Nobody noticed the two-month necro?

    I noticed it, of course-- it's my thread. I just didn't comment on it. Because what purpose would commenting on it serve? It's not funny. It doesn't establish MatNewman as an idiot, because he already admitted to using Notes. It just wastes space and time. Congratulations.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @Ben L. said:
    Nobody noticed the two-month necro?

    Congratulations.

    Wooooooooooooooooooo



  • @MatNewman said:

    LOL, no ... It's Monday afternoon here

    Commie.

    @MatNewman said:

    and this site came up in my copyscape notification feed - in Lotus Notes feed-reader, of course! ;-)

    Wow it just now found a thread from May 17th. That's actually pretty good performance, by Notes standards. Hey, just FYI, in about a month you're going to learn about this thing called "Microsoft Surface". It's pretty fucking sweet. Might even run Notes... 12 years from now when IBM finally figures it the fuck out. (I figure that's about right-- it only took them about 12 years to figure out how to work well with Windows NT's multi-user features.)



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @MatNewman said:

    IBM doesn't pay me anything.

    So you spend your sunday evenings trolling the Internets to find negative threads about Lotus Notes and do damage control, and you're not getting paid for it?

    Notes users are stupid. Well, I guess that's pretty self-evident-- smarter people would have found a decent email client long ago.

     

      Since you put it that way -  I jump on the Twitter search every now and then responding to poeple's comments in an attempt to help them out. In a few cases that has lead to a consulting gig and some $$. So yeah, I guess that's a stupid idea then, isn't it... ;-)


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