Oh Google, what am I going to do with you?



  • First they forced me to associate my (very rarely used) YouTube account to a Google Account. Since I didn't want to associate it with my "generally on" account, the one I use and keep open for Gmail and Reader, I now find myself having to switch accounts whenever I want to use YouTube while signed into Gmail. Fortunately I nearly sign into YouTube, so... whatever.

     

    Then they started periodically nagging me to give them my phone number. Which I won't do.

     

    Now, within the time span of one week, they:

    1. Reordered the links in the top navigational bar, putting the "Reader" link, the only one I use, one click away. I'm not the only one being terribly annoyed by this.

    2. When opening a video on YouTube, they informed me that I was now logged in with my currently active Google Account, whether I like it or not.

    3. Last night, I was signing out of Gmail before I turned off the computer when I remembered I'd better send myself an email before I forgot a certain URL. When signing in again, they asked ney demanded my birthdate. Unlike when asking me for my phone number, there was no "skip this" link. I was sleepy so I complied, though now I'm hoping I won't regret it.

    Apparently some people are saying they did this because they were forced to comply with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act? How about mentioning this then, instead of saying it was for tailoring content in your services to my age, whatever that means? (I forgot to take a screenshot at the time, unfortunately)

    I gave my real birthdate. Seems like some people got locked out because they gave a fake date that made them underage. But that's their problem.

     

    Now I'm thinking about creating a separate browser profile just for Gmail use, and never be signed into a Google account when browsing elsewhere. This "creeping normalcy" is starting to make me feel uneasy.

     



  • @Zecc said:

    I now find myself having to switch accounts whenever I want to use YouTube while signed into Gmail.
    Is this of any use (I note they don't mention YouTube)? Noticed it yesterday and haven't looked at it myself since I only have one account.



  • @PJH said:

    Is this of any use

    Oh irony.  Google won't let you view that page without signing in.




  • This page doesn't mention YouTube either.

    In any case, this doesn't solve the problem that they are breaking the isolation between Gmail and YouTube for no good reason.

    Why shouldn't I be able to sign in or out of one service without automatically and unavoidably being signed in or out of all the others?

    Oh well, I may be overreacting, but I don't remember ever agreeing to letting them collect my YouTube viewing history.



  • I agree. I closed my YouTube account, some of which had over 100k views, in disgust at their total disregard for privacy, giving a damn about their users or friggin' COMMON SENSE. I don't need a gmail account, I never have, so why do you force one on me now? Fuck off. Since they bought YouTube the same things have been going on over there, constant redesigns for no discernable reason and constantly moving the most used buttons behind dropdown menus for no discernable reason and rollovers. God, they love rollovers. If I hadn't quit then I would have done so when SFDebris was shut down because YouTube just bends over at the slightest whipser of the big boys without even LOOKING to see if it falls under fair use or not.



  • Whenever dealing with Google, there's a single theme that re-appears over and over again: they're geniuses at understanding technology, and retards at understanding people.

    @Zecc said:

    1. Reordered the links in the top navigational bar, putting the "Reader" link, the only one I use, one click away. I'm not the only one being terribly annoyed by this.

    They did that once in January (the second thread talking about it is the January thread), and the @gmail Twitter account quickly said it was "an accident". Riiight. A generous me would say it was an A/B test, but since Google has shown very little understanding of the concept of "test changes before making them" (and everybody seemed to have the same problem), I think they just made the change then were surprised at the number of complaints.

    This time, the @gmail Twitter account has been utterly, 100% silent on the matter for the last few days. (They did post one fluff tweet, but that's all.) Which makes me think this time it's permanent and "fuck you, customers". A bit more searching and I come across... this post, which reads basically "fuck you, customers."

    @Zecc said:

    3. Last night, I was signing out of Gmail before I turned off the computer when I remembered I'd better send myself an email before I forgot a certain URL. When signing in again, they asked ney demanded my birthdate. Unlike when asking me for my phone number, there was no "skip this" link. I was sleepy so I complied, though now I'm hoping I won't regret it.

    ... oh course posting this I just think you're fucking paranoid as hell.



  • @Zecc said:

    In any case, this doesn't solve the problem that they are breaking the isolation between Gmail and YouTube for no good reason.

    Haha, they connected Gmail-created Google Accounts to Google+ Google Accounts, also. Doesn't sound too bad? Oh wait, Gmail and Google+ have completely different acceptable naming rules, which Google+ being much stricter.

    Fallout? Poor ZombieBoy22 says "eh, what the hell, I'll try Google+", signs in to Google+ with his existing ZombieBoy22 account. Google then disables his account, both Gmail and Google+ for breaking the Google+ naming rules-- even though his name was well within the Gmail naming rules! (They've since "fixed" this, but a half-assed way. Now if you change your Gmail name, your Google+ name doesn't chance and vice-versa.) (Of course that's not even getting into the huge issue of how fucking retarded the policy is in the first place, or how you're allow to flaut the rules if you have enough fans on the service or a personal friend at Google...)

    It's seriously like the entire company is run by a 14-year-old MUD administrator.



  • It would be an interesting world where we all paid fair and square for all the online sites and services we make use of. The universal expectation that all content on the Internet must be free is at least partially responsible for all these problems, as the money has to come from somewhere.

    It's one thing running a low-traffic personal homepage for free, but when you consider how many servers Facebook need to run their system, that's when it starts coming down to the dilemma of pay, or have the advertisers pay on your behalf while watching and scrutinising your every move. And then sites have to do whatever brings in more revenue via the advertisers.

    The Internet has gone from zero to abundant predicaments in only a few years. I can only hope that it all comes to its senses before it spirals out of control. The wretched mess of pretending that HTML can imitate your native GUI is only the surface.



  • About a year ago I created a video, put it on YouTube and posted a link on a forum that I frequented at that time.  Somebody decided they wanted to be a prick and made a copyright complaint to YouTube and the video was removed.  I went through the process of filing a counter-claim since the video was 100% original content and the copyright complaint was completely bogus.  When there was no response I sent an email complaining about the problem, and shortly aftter that my YouTube account was suspended along witht he GMial account that was linked to it.  I eventually was able to jump through some hoops and get the GMail account back but I have never gotten a response about the YouTube account.@blakeyrat said:

    Fallout? Poor ZombieBoy22 says "eh, what the hell, I'll try Google+", signs in to Google+ with his existing ZombieBoy22 account. Google then disables his account, both Gmail and Google+ for breaking the Google+ naming rules--
    @blakeyrat said:
    (Of course that's not even getting into the huge issue of how fucking retarded the policy is in the first place, or how you're allow to flaut the rules if you have enough fans on the service or a personal friend at Google...)
    The head of Google+ is Vic Gundrotta, who was born in India and his real name is not Vic, it is Vivek.  In the ultimate ironic hypocricy, the person demanding that you must use your real name is using a phoney name.

     



  • @El_Heffe said:

    The head of Google+ is Vic Gundrotta, who was born in India and his real name is not Vic, it is Vivek.  In the ultimate ironic hypocricy, the person demanding that you must use your real name is using a phoney name.

    Yeah seriously.

    Now that they've divorced the Google+ naming rules from the Gmail naming rules, the only issue I really have with the system is how inconsistently its applied. I would never consider using Google+ at this point.

    (Not that I use social networking at all, anyway. I only have a Facebook account because I need one to test products I'm working on. I originally only had a Twitter accounts, because one of the recommendations of using their API is to follow the @twitterapi account, although I have to admit I enjoy Twitter a lot now.)



  • @El_Heffe said:

    About a year ago I created a video, put it on YouTube and posted a link on a forum that I frequented at that time.  Somebody decided they wanted to be a prick and made a copyright complaint to YouTube and the video was removed.  I went through the process of filing a counter-claim since the video was 100% original content and the copyright complaint was completely bogus.  When there was no response I sent an email complaining about the problem, and shortly aftter that my YouTube account was suspended along witht he GMial account that was linked to it.  I eventually was able to jump through some hoops and get the GMail account back but I have never gotten a response about the YouTube account.

    Indeed, it's sad that they just do not want to know. I picture they get flooded with people who do not understand but even so. What're we all using now? I hate Vimeo, it streams slowly and refuses to seek anywhere it hasn't streamed yet. Blip and Dailymotion are pretty good though the latter is pretty low-fi.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    @El_Heffe said:
    The head of Google+ is Vic Gundrotta, who was born in India and his real name is not Vic, it is Vivek.  In the ultimate ironic hypocricy, the person demanding that you must use your real name is using a phoney name.

    Yeah seriously.

    Now that they've divorced the Google+ naming rules from the Gmail naming rules, the only issue I really have with the system is how inconsistently its applied. I would never consider using Google+ at this point.

    Oddly, given Google's compulsion to control all possible data, I'd think they'd encourage us to freely associate all our aliases. Even in the real world, I have two names. One that shows up on my legal documents and that I use with certain, more formal contacts (or places where using my alias would cause name duplication) and an alias that I use because it's got fewer syllables and makes me sound like a badass instead of a geek. Google only wants people to be able to associate with me by one of those names for some incomprehensible reason.


  • @nexekho said:

    @El_Heffe said:
    About a year ago I created a video, put it on YouTube and posted a link on a forum that I frequented at that time.  Somebody decided they wanted to be a prick and made a copyright complaint to YouTube and the video was removed.  I went through the process of filing a counter-claim since the video was 100% original content and the copyright complaint was completely bogus.  When there was no response I sent an email complaining about the problem, and shortly aftter that my YouTube account was suspended along witht he GMial account that was linked to it.  I eventually was able to jump through some hoops and get the GMail account back but I have never gotten a response about the YouTube account.

    Indeed, it's sad that they just do not want to know. I picture they get flooded with people who do not understand but even so. What're we all using now? I hate Vimeo, it streams slowly and refuses to seek anywhere it hasn't streamed yet. Blip and Dailymotion are pretty good though the latter is pretty low-fi.

    The most annoying part is that my GMail account is still linked to the old suspended Youtube account.  So I have to make sure I am logged out of the GMail account before attempting to sign in to Youtube, otherwise I get an error page containing this wonderful sentence:

    Your access to this Google product has been suspended because of a <font color="#FF0000">perceived</font> violation of either the Google Terms of Service or product-specific Terms of Service.



  •  I swear Google is just trying as hard as they can to come off as the most evil corporation on the planet.  I'd rather give my information to Umbrella.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @Zecc said:
    3. Last night, I was signing out of Gmail before I turned off the computer when I remembered I'd better send myself an email before I forgot a certain URL. When signing in again, they asked ney demanded my birthdate. Unlike when asking me for my phone number, there was no "skip this" link. I was sleepy so I complied, though now I'm hoping I won't regret it.

    ... oh course posting this I just think you're fucking paranoid as hell.

    Just because I'm being paranoid it doesn't mean they should be able to force me into giving them  relatively-private information without resistance.



  • @Zecc said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    @Zecc said:
    3. Last night, I was signing out of Gmail before I turned off the computer when I remembered I'd better send myself an email before I forgot a certain URL. When signing in again, they asked ney demanded my birthdate. Unlike when asking me for my phone number, there was no "skip this" link. I was sleepy so I complied, though now I'm hoping I won't regret it.

    ... oh course posting this I just think you're fucking paranoid as hell.

    Just because I'm being paranoid it doesn't mean they should be able to force me into giving them  relatively-private information without resistance.

    Who's forcing you? You wanted to use their otherwise-free service. You can simply stop using it.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Who's forcing you? You wanted to use their otherwise-free service. You can simply stop using it.
    Where was the "I want to close this account. Let me download all my email and contacts information" option? I seem to have missed it.



  • @Zecc said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Who's forcing you? You wanted to use their otherwise-free service. You can simply stop using it.

    Where was the "I want to close this account. Let me download all my email and contacts information" option? I seem to have missed it.

    That doesn't sound very much like simply stopping.



  • @Zecc said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Who's forcing you? You wanted to use their otherwise-free service. You can simply stop using it.
    Where was the "I want to close this account. Let me download all my email and contacts information" option? I seem to have missed it.

    You do that every day when you run your offline email browser (Thunderbird is the one I use, but any that is capable of downloading email from an IMAP server works) because surely you're not so stupid that you're letting Google hold your data hostage, right? Google could implode tomorrow, and I'd lose at most a day's worth.

    At some point you have to take control of your own information. The earlier you do it, the better... you've heard the news stories about people who lost all their email when Gmail fucked up, it's happened more than once. You understand the value of backups in general. Right? Right?

    I like to think the people posting here aren't idiots.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    At some point you have to take control of your own information. The earlier you do it, the better... you've heard the news stories about people who lost all their email when Gmail fucked up, it's happened more than once. You understand the value of backups in general. Right? Right?

    I like to think the people posting here aren't idiots.

    I don't usually have information I can't leave without in email. In any case, I now and then run getmail through IMAP. I believe I'm going to run it more frequently from now on.

     


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