Poop competency: Expert



  • From a job listing on Slashdot:

    Really? It's "POOP" now? Is this because we didn't have a pronouncable acronym, or was somebody just feeling hilarious?



  •  I'd argue that a large percentage of the /. crowd have a good understanding of nothing other than poop.



  • YAWN



  • Out of curiocity... if you're trying to process hundrends of thousands of search queries a second is Java the language you want? Not that I've run any benchmarks, but I was under the impression that speed wasn't it's top selling point.



  • Some high-end servers have hardware JVMs in them, so in those cases Java isn't necessarily a bad choice (as far as execution speed goes).



  • @DOA said:

    Out of curiocity... if you're trying to process hundrends of thousands of search queries a second is Java the language you want? Not that I've run any benchmarks, but I was under the impression that speed wasn't it's top selling point.

     

     

    Ask eBay.



  • @Heron said:

    Some high-end servers have hardware JVMs in them
    WTF?  Name one.  I don't know of a single hardware JVM other than a few research projects and some small-market embedded systems processors.



  •  bstorer,

    I don't know of any in particular; I was just repeating what my cousin (who I regard as a Java fanatic, and would therefore know things like this) told me.  In any case, some googling turned up this almost worthless quote:

    From the EE Times: "Several vendors currently offer hardware JVMs as either ICs, silicon intellectual property (IP) or both."

    I asked my cousin if he knows of any specific examples, but he hasn't responded yet.  I'll post again if he knows of any.



  •  @DOA said:

    Out of curiocity... if you're trying to process hundrends of thousands of search queries a second is Java the language you want? Not that I've run any benchmarks, but I was under the impression that speed wasn't it's top selling point.

     Java's speed isn't its main selling point. However, its speed is reasonable when run as a server app (most of the bottleneck is having to search the filesystem for class files and unzipping jars on application startup. Server apps stay up as long as possible, so this is effectively eliminated.)



  • @Heron said:

     bstorer,

    I don't know of any in particular; I was just repeating what my cousin (who I regard as a Java fanatic, and would therefore know things like this) told me.  In any case, some googling turned up this almost worthless quote:

    From the EE Times: "Several vendors currently offer hardware JVMs as either ICs, silicon intellectual property (IP) or both."

    I asked my cousin if he knows of any specific examples, but he hasn't responded yet.  I'll post again if he knows of any.

    That article's from 2001, back before Sun pulled the plug on picoJava, I think.  But even that was intended for the mobile/embedded market.  The only hardware JVM projects that are still alive to my knowledge are JOP and Komodo, which are research projects based around FPGAs, and aJile and Imsys, both of which are also for embedded environments.



  •  So I guess that means that Blu-Ray's JVM is run in software? (Or was I dreaming when I heard that Blu-Ray stuff is done in Java?)



  • @Heron said:

     So I guess that means that Blu-Ray's JVM is run in software? (Or was I dreaming when I heard that Blu-Ray stuff is done in Java?)

    No, you heard right.  The menus are done in BD-J, which is essentially a magic wrapper around J2ME.  But I don't know of any device which doesn't implement the JVM in software instead of hardware.  Still, that's an embedded application.  I don't know of any hardware JVM supporting EE or SE.



  • @sootzoo said:

    Really? It's "POOP" now? Is this because we didn't have a pronouncable acronym, or was somebody just feeling hilarious?

     

     

    That would explain why the guy at my last interview asked me if my shit was tight!

     



  •  @DOA said:

    Out of curiocity... if you're trying to process hundrends of thousands of search queries a second is Java the language you want? Not that I've run any benchmarks, but I was under the impression that speed wasn't it's top selling point.

    Nah, search via java doesn't pose any real problems. It seems to be the system of choice for more enterprisey systems.

    The Lucene + Solr line is a bit of a giveaway in what they're using. Lucene handles text indexing and search (with Solr an interface to it), and for the type of work described, they're probably just using it for full text search with less performance dramas than you'd get from throwing it through a database.



  • @DOA said:

    I was under the impression that speed wasn't it's top selling point.

    Where on earth did you get this notion? (Clearly it was from any kind of research!)

    http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html



  • @bstorer said:

    @Heron said:

    Some high-end servers have hardware JVMs in them
    WTF?  Name one.  I don't know of a single hardware JVM other than a few research projects and some small-market embedded systems processors.

    This isn't technically a hardware JVM, AFAIK, but it is probably what people keep referring to when thinking of a widespread hardware JVM.  It does use custom hardware and supposedly has a very fast hardware GC.



  • @Farmer Brown said:

    Where on earth did you get this notion? (Clearly it was from any kind of research!)

    Eh, don't mind him.  DOA is kind of like the Java of forum contributors.

     

    Wait... no..  he's kind of like the JavaScript of forum contributors: not that swift*.  Really, I was going to call bullshit on him but then realized this would lead to another 800-page thread on how Java is soooo slow and PHP isn't a templating language and guns are evil and...

     

    What the hell was I talking about? 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    What the hell was I talking about?

    I think we all find ourselves asking this question about your posts quite a bit.



  • morbiuswilters is one of those people you see on forums that you'd love to see a photo of :)



  • @Howi said:

    morbiuswilters is one of those people you see on forums that you'd love to see a photo of :)

    I'd reckon you could guess this is him: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3039/3041597885_7033dbd1fe.jpg?v=0


    Found on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10849209@N00/



  • @Howi said:

    morbiuswilters is one of those people you see on forums that you'd love to see a photo of :)
     

    No, I prefer to believe he looks like his new avatar. Dare not destroy this illusion.



  • @Ilya Ehrenburg said:

    No, I prefer to believe he looks like his new avatar. Dare not destroy this illusion.

    That would certainly be more fitting I suppose.



  • @Ilya Ehrenburg said:

    No, I prefer to believe he looks like his new avatar. Dare not destroy this illusion.

    I'm okay with it if you let me close my eyes and pretend you look like Welpog. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I'm okay with it if you let me close my eyes and pretend you look like Welpog.

    As long as you know you're pretending, go ahead.



  • @Ilya Ehrenburg said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    I'm okay with it if you let me close my eyes and pretend you look like Welpog.

    As long as you know you're pretending, go ahead.

    Pretending hasn't stopped me from adopting your Hu-Man customs such as cloth-ing, employ-ment-ing and somewhat-creepy homoerotic exchanges on an Internet forum with complete strangers.


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