Planned server move!



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    http://cp.netcetera.co.uk/status/servermove/timeline.asp

     

    there are 2 things that I can see:

    1. Bubble wrap?
    2. Saturday and sunday the 26th - Some one is pulling an all nighter...

    Actually..

    3. There is no where in England that is 11 1/2 hours drive from london.... bearing in mind that the servers are staying in England... where is the rest of the time going?



  • Just noticed as well... the dedicated server page...

     

    Page 1. Unmetered bandwidth.

    Page 2. Additional bandwidth: £4 / GB



  • @wonkoTheSane said:

    3. There is no where in England that is 11 1/2 hours drive from london.... bearing in mind that the servers are staying in England... where is the rest of the time going?

     

     Mandatory driver rest stops and speed limited lorries (They're not able to bomb down the motorway at 90MPH in a 7.5T wagon)



  • @wonkoTheSane said:

    3. There is no where in England that is 11 1/2 hours drive from london.... bearing in mind that the servers are staying in England... where is the rest of the time going?
     

    Contingency time means nothing to you I see.



  • @wonkoTheSane said:

    3. There is no where in England that is 11 1/2 hours drive from london.... bearing in mind that the servers are staying in England... where is the rest of the time going?

    Considering that according to [url="http://www.gov.im/ebusiness/casestudies/case_netcetera.xml"]this page[/url] new datacentre is most likely on the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man"]Isle of Man[/url], I'd say that 10 1/2 hours of transport is quite reasonable to get a truck from London.



  • Personally, I'd say TRWTF is that they're putting all their servers in the back of a truck and driving them overland to Liverpool or Heysham, then catching the ferry, rather than renting a light cargo aircraft and flying them out; not only would it be a hell of a lot faster, but the nature of the fuel tax regime in this country undoubtedly makes it slightly cheaper.

    On second thoughts, the fact that it's probably cheaper per mile to fuel up a Beech King Air than a typical family car in this country is TRWTF in this statement. Just forget I said anything.



  •  No all nighter or 11 drive hour here. They're outsourcing the shipping portion to a 'specialist', which probably includes secure overnight storage.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @wonkoTheSane said:

    3. There is no where in England that is 11 1/2 hours drive from london.... bearing in mind that the servers are staying in England... where is the rest of the time going?
     

    Contingency time means nothing to you I see.

    Neither does basic time math. 10 pm to 6:30 am is only 10.5 hours.



  • @bstorer said:

    Neither does basic time math. 10 pm to 6:30 am is only 10.5 hours.

     

    Touche.

    I didn't even bother checking the OP's math. I was too busy trying to figure out what he was smoking to think this is somehow a WTF.



  • @bstorer said:

    10 pm to 6:30 am is only 10.5 hours.

    I know this is just a typo, but to clarify, it's 8pm to 6:30am and it is 10.5 hours.



  • Ten and a half hours is probably optimistic anyway, since the move is scheduled to take place soon after the start of the school holidays, which is also usually about the time of year when the Highways Agency finally gets around to doing all the resurfacing work they've been putting off until now; I spent that length of time just getting up the motorway to Liverpool during one particularly bad year, and I live a about a hundred miles to the north of London. Oh, and Wales and Scotland use that general area as a dumping ground for all the shitty weather they don't have the space for within their own borders, so the ferry owners probably throw a party every time they go two straight days without a delayed sailing.



  • @Jake Grey said:

    Personally, I'd say TRWTF is that they're putting all their servers in the back of a truck and driving them overland to Liverpool or Heysham, then catching the ferry, rather than renting a light cargo aircraft and flying them out; not only would it be a hell of a lot faster, but the nature of the fuel tax regime in this country undoubtedly makes it slightly cheaper.

    I don't know what prices are like in the UK, but in the US, renting a truck for a day will run about $300 (rental + mileage + gas), while renting a small cargo plane (with pilot) for half a day will run about $2500.



  • @Carnildo said:

    I don't know what prices are like in the UK, but in the US, renting a truck for a day will run about $300 (rental + mileage + gas), while renting a small cargo plane (with pilot) for half a day will run about $2500.
     

    A litre of road vehicle-grade petroleum or diesel in this country costs about as much as a gallon of its equivalent in the United States, at least 80% of the price being made up of taxation, but there is virtually no taxation on aviation fuel. I don't have any hard numbers to hand, but I would not be hugely surprised to find that a road haulage firm in this country spends more on fuel per ton of freight moved than an airline. Toss in insurance costs -not only do planes crash less often than trucks these days but they're usually harder to steal from during layovers- and the fact that every hour their servers are in transit is an hour they're not generating revenue and the economics are pretty obvious.

    Shame about the ozone layer, of course. 



  •  Spooky. I'm involved in a system relocation that weekend, too.

     And from what I can see TRWFT is their "plan". That's the crappiest plan I've seen. Shut down servers. Move servers. Turn on servers.

    I really hope that internally they have a bit more than that!



  • @valerion said:

     And from what I can see TRWFT is their "plan". That's the crappiest plan I've seen. Shut down servers. Move servers. Turn on servers.

    I really hope that internally they have a bit more than that!

    TRWTF is that they are only allowing 3 hours to disconnect and pack all the servers and 3 hours to unpack them and hook them all up.  From my experience, that seems like not nearly enough time.



  • quoting http://cp.netcetera.co.uk/status/servermove.asp : 

    The benefits this brings to you are:-

    • Better Support - being wholly owned by Netcetera, The Dataport will have our directly employed staff on site 24/7, giving you quicker fix times.
    • More Secure - The Dataport is located in a secure location, with a low to non-existent bomb and terrorist threat .
    • Physical space availability at stable prices - we have over 16,000 sq foot of space, allowing you to grow as you need.
    • ...(snip)

    Uhh... but raptor attacks and falling meteors are just as likely


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