Pay peanuts or chicken feed
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Ah, but you see, it is entirely possible to worship the
and still do a good job. Just as long as you dodge the "but when will you be done?!" question.
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@error Actually,
is your good friend even if—I'd even say especially if—you want to do a good job. Because it makes you think what's the easiest way to do the job instead of just rushing in and starting to hammer everything into shape.
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@Zerosquare said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
"but when will you be done?!"
What do you mean, done?
Filed under: we don't have a definition of done here
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@PleegWat said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
@remi said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
For Joe Random Driver, a manufacturer recall is strictly a security update and they know the car will be like it was before.
Your car has exactly as much horsepower as when you turned it in.
Not necessarily...
Performance software upgrade | Polestar US
Available as part of the Performance pack or as an OTA update, the performance software upgrade boosts the power of the Polestar 2 Long range Dual motor.
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@dcon
. Or rather the opposite - with dieselgate there were recalls which would cost people significant horsepower.
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@Bulb said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
@Zerosquare said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
"but when will you be done?!"
What do you mean, done?
Filed under: we don't have a definition of done here
You'd prefer "rare" as with your steaks?
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@PleegWat said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
with dieselgate there were recalls which would cost people significant horsepower.
But note that dieselgate was a software update, which again proves my point.
Well, my two points now: first that the car industry knew how to do purely "security" updates, and second that they're now adopting the worst practices of the IT industry and are loosing this knowledge.
Which leads to a worst user-experience overall, but I'll preemptively insert this here:
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@remi something something Tesla.
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@Arantor if only that was seen by the industry as a cautionary tale and not an example to follow...
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@remi said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
@Arantor if only that was seen by the industry as a cautionary tale and not an example to follow...
I feel like we’re a couple of incidents away from it being something so horrendous that they have to close. Automotive industry paying for its lessons in blood and all that.
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@Arantor I don't think so, no. The history of automobile is full horrible incidents and I don't think it has forced many (any?) manufacturer to close.
You mentioned dieselgate, it cost several billions to VW but it is becoming something to joke about, not much more. Incidents like defective airbags that killed people (I vaguely remembered a major story about this, the first link I found (from the NHTSA, so very official!) says 25 people and up to 400 possible injuries) also have just been minor speed bumps to manufacturers.
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@remi point taken about dieselgate, though I feel like Tesla isn’t quite like the other auto manufacturers. The others paid for their lessons in blood, sure, but I feel like all of the adages about humans fucking it up, vs computers really fucking it up at speed and scale absolutely apply.
I’m sort of surprised the Autopilot stuff hasn’t caused major legal repercussions yet, though Tesla’s apparent inability to supply legal documentation in a timely fashion isn’t helping.
And if Tesla starts running things the way Twitter is being run… there will be consequences.
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@Arantor said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
I’m sort of surprised the Autopilot stuff hasn’t caused major legal repercussions yet,
So am I, in particular because "we're selling something called Full Self Driving but if you squint really, really hard there's a tiny footnote that says it isn't full self driving at all" should have already been shot down extremely hard. Specially in the EU, that takes a very dim view of false advertising.
Still, I'm not sure that a "major legal repercussion" would end up being fatal to Tesla (in the same way as, sorry to bring that up again, dieselgate definitely wasn't fatal to VW).
And if Tesla starts running things the way Twitter is being run… there will be consequences.
And we're back to software updates, I think. Yes, if Tesla starts randomly pushing untested updates to the driving software (as opposed to e.g. the entertainment system), this might end up being extremely costly (and deadly!).
Then again, with any hope at that point maybe my previous post about Tesla being a cautionary tale rather than an example will become relevant?
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@Arantor said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
I’m sort of surprised the Autopilot stuff hasn’t caused major legal repercussions yet, though Tesla’s apparent inability to supply legal documentation in a timely fashion isn’t helping.
And if Tesla starts running things the way Twitter is being run… there will be consequences.On the contrary, it rather seems "dieselgate" is the exception. Though they flouted regulations, the customer was only fucked indirectly.
What Tesla is doing is just learning from IT industry, i.e. that you can basically do whatever the fuck you want without any repercussions. As I mentioned above, unlike traditionally in the car industry, in that environment it doesn't make business sense to do things right upfront, and fucking the customer is standard modus operandi.
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It can be less:
("Your monthly full-time gross salary will be between 2,800 and 5,000 Euro depending on your qualification and experience")
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@BernieTheBernie that's still more than the 2,250
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@topspin Oh! Only second place.
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Meanwhile Stepstone has updated their salary report for sofwtare architects. As can be seen in the frist post of this thread, it was 66,900 Euros per year one month ago.
You all know the terrible inflation we currently have. Money has less value than ever before. And there is a strong demand for specialists, exceding the supply.
So it is clear what you should expect.
Oh, you suck at economics, you suck!
Look:
The number has gone down by 800 Euros per year to 66,100.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
Meanwhile Stepstone has updated their salary report for sofwtare architects. As can be seen in the frist post of this thread, it was 66,900 Euros per year one month ago.
You all know the terrible inflation we currently have. Money has less value than ever before. And there is a strong demand for specialists, exceding the supply.
So it is clear what you should expect.
Oh, you suck at economics, you suck!
Look:
The number has gone down by 800 Euros per year to 66,100.They couldn’t find any worthy applicants who thought they were qualified at the higher price, so they have to widen the pool to include people who think less of themselves. Basic hireonomics
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Next shit posting on this topic.
According to Stepstone, a C# developer makes 52,200 Euros per year (45,500 - 63,600).
According to Deutsche Bahn (German Railways), a train driver makes 44,500 - 53,400 Euros per year.
So the range is wider for C# developers, and the best paid developers still make more than train drivers.
How many Indian "sofwtare specialists" would be willing to take software job abroad at the lower end of the payment for train drivers?
Sources:
C# Entwickler In Jobs und Stellenangebote - 2024
C# Entwickler In Jobs in Deutschland - Finden Sie passende C# Entwickler In Stellenangebote mit Stepstone!
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@BernieTheBernie said in Pay peanuts or chicken feed:
How many Indian "sofwtare specialists" would be willing to take software job abroad
The point isn't to pay foreigners a reasonable wage, no matter how the "Fachkräftemangel" talk makes you believe that. The point is to drive the price down with the alternatives of not paying well here or outsourcing because you "can't find anyone" here.
