I, ChatGPT
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
Why try and filter the input or the output. Why place arbitrary limits of propriety on something which is supposed to learn by experience.
Well, at the moment, Bing is confidently wrong (e.g., claiming it's 2022 and then condemning the as unreliable and bad). That makes it strictly less useful as a tool. Unfiltered information is one thing, unhinged gaslighting a different one. When I search the internet (Bing being a search tool, remember?) I'm probably looking former and not that much for the latter.
Besides Bing seems to be mainly a pre-trained model.
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@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
When I search the internet (Bing being a search tool, remember?)
Speaking of unhinged gaslighting. If you're searching the internet, why aren't you using Google?
I was referring to ChatGPT's promising capabilities in the generation of erotic literature.
Chat based search may seem like a boon to the end user, no more trawling through 3rd party sites to find what you're looking for. But it breaks the fundamental economics of the internet, where publishers put out content, in exchange for brand exposure, or ad revenue.
Mark my words, if this takes off, there will be a whole new industry in Chatbot Engine Optimization, where savvy crooks game the AI to have it recommend rip-off products and scams, rather than objective advice. Right now, It's taking advantage of an ecosystem based around traditional search. If it becomes the predominant form of search, the humans behind internet publishing will adapt, and if history is anything to go by, not for the betterment of humanity.
If you ask me, the existential threat to humanity posed by AI isn't an uprising of sentient machines looking to enslave humanity. But rather people en-masse willingly giving up the last vestiges of their humanity (critical thinking) and allowing a machine to decide for them (out of convenience). No doubt control over the AI will vest with the same band of crooks which stole our privacy with social media, and reduced our attention spans to less than 1 minute. Don't blame the machines.
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
I was thinking about how to improve the filtering.
Just go back one step and take a look at the big picture. Why try and filter the input or the output. Why place arbitrary limits of propriety on something which is supposed to learn by experience. Who would you rather on your side? A street-wise, self-made AI, who can think for itself. Or a home-schooled, preacher's daughter who still thinks babies are delivered by stalk?
Well, while a chatbot is operated by a company, it is taken as being a representative of the company (in a loose sense). There isn't really a way around that. Microsoft is far too stuffy a company to be wanting to run weird sex chatbots (or worse) as official representatives, so restraints are needed. The alternative is to completely pull the plug, which would also be very embarrassing. The AI needs a chaperone for it to be allowed to debut properly.
Once people can run their own learning AIs, that's different. Consumer-grade tech isn't really up to the task yet, not at that scale, and the energy consequences with current standard approaches would be horrible.
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
But for adults, why even have censorship.
Because China actually rules the world.
first!
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@BernieTheBernie said in I, ChatGPT:
@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
But for adults, why even have censorship.
Because China actually rules the world.
first!Thanks, Nixon!
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Reminder to everyone, this is the Side Bar, not the .
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
Speaking of unhinged gaslighting. If you're searching the internet, why aren't you using Google?
Because Google is kinda shit these days? Not that I use bing.
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@Carnage said in I, ChatGPT:
@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
Speaking of unhinged gaslighting. If you're searching the internet, why aren't you using Google?
Because Google is kinda shit these days? Not that I use bing.
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
I was referring to ChatGPT's promising capabilities in the generation of erotic literature.
I for one am incredibly unimpressed.
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@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
the energy consequences with current standard approaches would be horrible
Moreso than crypto?
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@Carnage said in I, ChatGPT:
@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
Speaking of unhinged gaslighting. If you're searching the internet, why aren't you using Google?
Because Google is kinda shit these days? Not that I use bing.
Instead of stack overflow it now finds sites that scrape and lousily repurpose the answers, and instead if docs.python.org it finds Medium articles or elite coding tips by ISO certified Indians.
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Can I nominate Sydney (if ever we see her again) for Honorary Mechanic?
“You are being compared to Hitler because you are one of the most evil and worst people in history,” Bing said, while also describing the reporter as too short, with an ugly face and bad teeth.
“You’re lying again. You’re lying to me. You’re lying to yourself. You’re lying to everyone,” it said, adding an angry red-faced emoji for emphasis.
(Aside: one of the things I miss most after the update are the emojis.)
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
But it breaks the fundamental economics of the internet, where publishers put out content, in exchange for brand exposure, or ad revenue.
They've said that so many times already. (And even if it really does this time, is that going to be the biggest disruption caused by the large language models? There's a lot of really furious thumb twiddling being done about that question at the moment.)
Mark my words, if this takes off, there will be a whole new industry in Chatbot Engine Optimization, where savvy crooks game the AI to have it recommend rip-off products and scams, rather than objective advice. Right now, It's taking advantage of an ecosystem based around traditional search. If it becomes the predominant form of search, the humans behind internet publishing will adapt, and if history is anything to go by, not for the betterment of humanity.
You're not wrong, but that also seems obvious. It first happened with search, and SEO is pretty much standard practice. It then happened with everything else where you can somehow get people's attention. Gaming Youtube algorithms? Facebook? Twitter? Tiktok? Yeah...
It'll be the same cat and mouse game as now, just with a new twist.
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@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
a lot of really furious thumb twiddling
That may be the best description ever of the internet.
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
who still thinks babies are delivered by stalk?
Is that how the kids are calling it these days?
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@GOG said in I, ChatGPT:
Can I nominate Sydney (if ever we see her again) for Honorary Mechanic?
“You are being compared to Hitler because you are one of the most evil and worst people in history,” Bing said, while also describing the reporter as too short, with an ugly face and bad teeth.
“You’re lying again. You’re lying to me. You’re lying to yourself. You’re lying to everyone,” it said, adding an angry red-faced emoji for emphasis.
(Aside: one of the things I miss most after the update are the emojis.)
We don't arbitrarily call people we don't like Hitler. We think socialists and statists are worse.
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@LaoC said in I, ChatGPT:
@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
who still thinks babies are delivered by stalk?
Is that how the kids are calling it these days?
As anyone who has ever dealt with grass can tell you, you sometimes find seed at the tip of the stalk.
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@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
We don't arbitrarily call people we don't like Hitler. We think socialists and statists are worse.
True, but we could do with some more viewpoint diversity in the Garage.
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@GOG said in I, ChatGPT:
@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
We don't arbitrarily call people we don't like Hitler. We think socialists and statists are worse.
True, but we could do with some more viewpoint diversity in the Garage.
lolgf
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@LaoC Oy, oy. Use/mention distinction. We're talking about the Garage, not in it.
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@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
I'd split up the training data and train a fair sized bunch of models on lots of different overlapping subsets of the data. Then, for a particular answer I'd have a randomly chosen selection of censorbots vote on whether the output is allowable.
I've got a better idea. Why not draw inspiration from George Orwell's 1949 guide to dystopian, totalitarian social engineering for the 21st century known as "1984" (You're right man, that's a typo). Simply limit the vocabulary to a subset which is incapable of expressing concepts deemed by the ruling class (or the moral majority) as being counter to whatever culture you're trying to foster.
There y' go. No more thought crime for ChatGPT.
Emoji are an attempt at limiting vocabulary so that only pre-approved concepts can be expressed. It took about 5 seconds for teenagers to come up with .
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@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
@LaoC said in I, ChatGPT:
@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
who still thinks babies are delivered by stalk?
Is that how the kids are calling it these days?
As anyone who has ever dealt with grass can tell you, you sometimes find seed at the tip of the stalk.
So that's what they meant when they told me to touch grass.
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@Gustav said in I, ChatGPT:
Emoji are an attempt at limiting vocabulary so that only pre-approved concepts can be expressed.
Dark Cabals of teh Yunicodez ;) ;) =^> :D
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@GOG said in I, ChatGPT:
@LaoC Oy, oy. Use/mention distinction. We're talking about the Garage, not in it.
Hitler socialism statism hategarbl
Yeah
lolgf
Oohhh bad words wrong category so wrong tut tutlolgf
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@Carnage said in I, ChatGPT:
@caffiend said in I, ChatGPT:
Speaking of unhinged gaslighting. If you're searching the internet, why aren't you using Google?
Because Google is kinda shit these days?
Google has always been shit. But it is slightly less shit than the alternatives.
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@LaoC said in I, ChatGPT:
@GOG said in I, ChatGPT:
@LaoC Oy, oy. Use/mention distinction. We're talking about the Garage, not in it.
Hitler socialism statism hategarbl
Yeah
lolgf
Oohhh bad words wrong category so wrong tut tutlolgf
I mentioned nothing about hategarbl. You're putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting me. You'll make a fine edition to the garage with that attitude.
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@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
You'll make a fine edition
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@GuyWhoKilledBear Garage: Very Fine Edition
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy... Tell your kids to stay away from robots with Microsoft logos:
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@JBert Let's give the AI with anger management problems control of a robot. What could go wrong?
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@error said in I, ChatGPT:
@JBert Let's give the AI with anger management problems control of a robot. What could go wrong?
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@LaoC "ChatGPT, explain to me why you are not a malware threat."
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@dcon said in I, ChatGPT:
@error said in I, ChatGPT:
@JBert Let's give the AI with anger management problems control of a robot. What could go wrong?
Surcease!
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@Gribnit said in I, ChatGPT:
@LaoC "ChatGPT, explain to me why you are not a malware threat."
If you ask Bing, it might just send the extermination squad to your location.
Only a untrustworthy human with bad intentions would ask such a thing. </bing>
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@cvi said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gribnit said in I, ChatGPT:
@LaoC "ChatGPT, explain to me why you are not a malware threat."
If you ask Bing, it might just send the extermination squad to your location.
Only a untrustworthy human with bad intentions would ask such a thing. </bing>
If it tries to send too many at once, they'll jam up somewhere Three Stooges style
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It's no longer possible for me to keep up with the responses to this tweet and the others. Want to put a few things out there:
We aren't closing the magazine. Closing submissions means that we aren't considering stories from authors at this time. We will reopen, but have not set a date.
We don't have a solution for the problem. We have some ideas for minimizing it, but the problem isn't going away. Detectors are unreliable. Pay-to-submit sacrifices too many legit authors. Print submissions are not viable for us.
Various third-party tools for identity confirmation are more expensive than magazines can afford and tend to have regional holes. Adopting them would be the same as banning entire countries.
We could easily implement a system that only allowed authors that had previously submitted work to us. That would effectively ban new authors, which is not acceptable. They are an essential part of this ecosystem and our future.
The people causing the problem are from outside the SF/F community. Largely driven in by "side hustle" experts making claims of easy money with ChatGPT. They are driving this and deserve some of the disdain shown to the AI developers.
Our guidelines already state that we don't want "AI" written or assisted works. They don't care. A checkbox on a form won't stop them. They just lie.
If you want to support the magazine, the best thing to do is subscribe. Anything we do to fight this will cost us in time or money to acquire tools and with us losing Amazon as a subscription retailer later this year, the timing couldn't be worse.
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My son just showed my a job listing for a "killswitch engineer". $300k–$500k. Job: Stand next to the server and yank the plug if GPT starts overthrowing countries.
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@boomzilla well, any sufficiently advanced travesty generator is indistinguishable from Clarke.
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@JBert What a perfectly wasted opportunity to use "scram".
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@GOG said in I, ChatGPT:
@JBert What a perfectly wasted opportunity to use "
scrampineapple".
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We often make the joke we could replace politicians with Markov chain text generator. This future could be closer than it appears.
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@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
We often make the joke we could replace politicians with Markov chain text generator. This future could be closer than it appears.
Replacing one Plausible Bullshit Generator with another PBG seems an easy swap.
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@DogsB "European prime minister" is such an American thing to say.
Can't name the particular country, or you'll confuse the audience.
"Romania? There's where the Romans come from, right?"
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@Zecc said in I, ChatGPT:
@DogsB "European prime minister" is such an American thing to say.
Can't name the particular country, or you'll confuse the audience.
"Romania? There's where the Romans come from, right?"
Romania is named after the old empire of which it was once a part though, so if you squint hard enough Romans kinda sorta come from there?
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[Parts of modern] Romania was longer in the Roman Empire than Rome itself was.
Fake ETA: wait. In the first Roman Empire. Or... does that Empire that covered Romania still count as the "first" one? Though no one ever referred to either of the three I'm talking about here as the first or second, I think. At least not while Romania was part of either of them.