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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
The electric car apologists in this thread remind me of people doing the same thing regarding crazy stuff in colleges about a decade ago.
"You're getting worried about nothing. It's not that big of a deal."
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
I'm sure all the coal plants in Virginia will be happy to deliver the extra electricity
That's actually a solution I could get behind.
I know. I know you're dying to get back into the coal mines and work 14 hour days.
Everyone participates. Even the family lines too inbred to work the mines anymore, can still sink pollutants.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@topspin said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla try Texas
If you turn off all the bitcoin miners you’ll have enough spare electricity to drive out of Texas.
Why bitcoin miners are not offering heavily subsidized heating solutions to consumers is beyond me.
Yes it is. There's a very good reason, but I agree it is beyond you.
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Attn @boomzilla fix thread title. Everyone can clearly see it should have
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
The state is prepared to ban the sale of new gas-powered vehicles starting in 2035
Oh thank $deity I'll be out of here by then. I've only got 3-6 years left on my sentence.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
Windmill capital of the US?
That's South Dakota. Texas runs on natural gas more, what with, having some.
Maybe by percentage of their total generating capacity.
I stand by my characterization.
Wow all that capacity and they can't even survive a light snow cover
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@dcon there's always the chance of being let out early for good behavior, depending on how people tend to drive in the area, distance from possible industrial explosions, etc.
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@Gribnit don't forget U-Haul availability.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
@Gribnit don't forget U-Haul availability.
Yeah, although most people just get stuffed in a trunk.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@dcon there's always the chance of being let out early for good behavior, depending on how people tend to drive in the area, distance from possible industrial explosions, etc.
Well, I am still doing full time work-from-home, so I could move and still be working...
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
Windmill capital of the US?
That's South Dakota. Texas runs on natural gas more, what with, having some.
Maybe by percentage of their total generating capacity.
I stand by my characterization.
Wow all that capacity and they can't even survive a light snow cover
I have studied their art. The unstructured attack profile of a properly executed light snowfall is incomprehensible to the Southern mind. Not only do they not know how to deal with it, they are completely undone by it.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
Windmill capital of the US?
That's South Dakota. Texas runs on natural gas more, what with, having some.
Maybe by percentage of their total generating capacity.
I stand by my characterization.
Wow all that capacity and they can't even survive a light snow cover
I have studied their art. The unstructured attack profile of a properly executed light snowfall is incomprehensible to the Southern mind. Not only do they not know how to deal with it, they are completely undone by it.
Didn't like 9 out of 10 of the last once in a 1000 year storms happen in Texas? It's like God keeps trying to smite them or something.
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@topspin said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla try Texas
If you turn off all the bitcoin miners you’ll have enough spare electricity to drive out of Texas.
Why bitcoin miners are not offering heavily subsidized heating solutions to consumers is beyond me.
Many things are beyond you.
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@dcon There are tech jobs outside California.
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Nuclear plants, we need more of them. About 30 years ago I saw some whitepaper plans for plants not much bigger than a house, with local capacities, to get around the massive NIMBY that nukes face. Of course they went nowhere.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
Nuclear plants, we need more of them. About 30 years ago I saw some whitepaper plans for plants not much bigger than a house, with local capacities, to get around the massive NIMBY that nukes face. Of course they went nowhere.
We're waiting for Fusion to become viable
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@dangeRuss just 50 more years.
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
Nuclear plants, we need more of them. About 30 years ago I saw some whitepaper plans for plants not much bigger than a house, with local capacities, to get around the massive NIMBY that nukes face. Of course they went nowhere.
We're waiting for Fusion to become viable
Then we gotta deal with Not In My Back Hemisphere.
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@topspin said in It has started:
@dangeRuss just 50 more years.
It's always 50 more years
No, sometimes it's more.
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
Windmill capital of the US?
That's South Dakota. Texas runs on natural gas more, what with, having some.
Maybe by percentage of their total generating capacity.
I stand by my characterization.
Wow all that capacity and they can't even survive a light snow cover
I have studied their art. The unstructured attack profile of a properly executed light snowfall is incomprehensible to the Southern mind. Not only do they not know how to deal with it, they are completely undone by it.
Didn't like 9 out of 10 of the last once in a 1000 year storms happen in Texas? It's like God keeps trying to smite them or something.
Nah that's Louisiana, that's the one getting smote at.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
Then maybe don't go the Texas route. Other than that, we're once again veering close to here.
Or since you lambasted us as "apologists" am I now free to use similarly disparaging terms?
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@topspin said in It has started:
@dangeRuss just 50 more years.
Well, that's what underfunding research will get you. We're basically investing the same money into ITER we put into the BER. On an even longer timescale.
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@Rhywden said in It has started:
Or since you lambasted us as "apologists" am I now free to use similarly disparaging terms?
a·pol·o·gist
/əˈpäləjəst/
noun
a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.
"critics said he was an apologist for colonialism"I didn't put the sand in your vagina.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
@Rhywden said in It has started:
Or since you lambasted us as "apologists" am I now free to use similarly disparaging terms?
a·pol·o·gist
/əˈpäləjəst/
noun
a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.
"critics said he was an apologist for colonialism"I didn't put the sand in your vagina.
But you grew the pearl in there
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
@Rhywden said in It has started:
Or since you lambasted us as "apologists" am I now free to use similarly disparaging terms?
a·pol·o·gist
/əˈpäləjəst/
noun
a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.
"critics said he was an apologist for colonialism"I didn't put the sand in your vagina.
But you grew the pearl in there
Sorry, forgot you were here. I'll try to use smaller words next time.
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@boomzilla Again, take that shit to the
And stay there, since you seem to be keen on ignoring the obvious solutions.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
Nuclear plants, we need more of them.
Filed under: nuclear mushrooms are fungi, not plants
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@Rhywden said in It has started:
@boomzilla Again, take that shit to the
Gotcha, it's just not sporting to have a disagreement with you outside of the garage.
And stay there, since you seem to be keen on ignoring the obvious solutions.
What are the obvious solutions (and about which problems)?
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I am in agreement about taking this to the Garage. Please note, the 'usual suspects' (or the Left Garage people) aren't the ones who dragged politics into it.
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@Arantor said in It has started:
I am in agreement about taking this to the Garage. Please note, the 'usual suspects' (or the Left Garage people) aren't the ones who dragged politics into it.
Who dragged politics into it?
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I'm not sure anyone's dragged politics into this
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@boomzilla I was just trying it out on the other side of the fence since I didn't see my posts as particularly political but others did - debating which states will do certain things and reacting to California's actions definitely seems like it could well get political.
I'm only surprised it hasn't already fully erupted.
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@Arantor said in It has started:
@boomzilla I was just trying it out on the other side of the fence since I didn't see my posts as particularly political but others did - debating which states will do certain things and reacting to California's actions definitely seems like it could well get political.
Possibly. The point was simply that people said that charging cars was no big deal, but governments are moving to get rid of any other kind of car and it's really not too soon to start worrying especially watching what's going on with energy right now.
I'm only surprised it hasn't already fully erupted.
The juicy stuff is in the companion topic in the .
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@Arantor said in It has started:
@boomzilla I was just trying it out on the other side of the fence since I didn't see my posts as particularly political but others did - debating which states will do certain things and reacting to California's actions definitely seems like it could well get political.
I'm only surprised it hasn't already fully erupted.
I'm not sure it hasn't fully erupted.
Although you're right in the other post where you say that it's not the Left Garage that started it this time.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in It has started:
the Left Garage
There's a Left Garage?
"So-and-so has left the garage"
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
Plus, and I know some people will get "on my case" for this, electrons all look alike.
That's racist!
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@dcon said in It has started:
I've only got 3-6 years left on my sentence.
You lucky bastard. I still have to endure another 149 months. Not sure if I can survive that.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
It makes sense for them to do that, given the scale of the smog problem they've got in the LA basin.
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@dkf said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
It makes sense for them to do that, given the scale of the smog problem they've got in the LA basin.
It's not that bad any more. Well, probably worse than most places that aren't Mexico City or in China, but sooooo much better than it was 40 years ago.
But I guess making the place unlivable will help out there, too.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
sooooo much better than it was 40 years ago.
Yes. I grew up there. I can still remember my eyes burning from the pollution.
But I guess making the place unlivable will help out there, too.
Don't worry. The homeless, the mayor, and the DA, among others, are doing their part to make it unlivable, too.
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@HardwareGeek The Finns have some ideas about homelessness.
You do realize that homelessness is a symptom rather than a cause, right?
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@Rhywden said in It has started:
You do realize that homelessness is a symptom rather than a cause, right?
Objection, leading the witless.
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@Rhywden said in It has started:
You do realize that homelessness is a symptom rather than a cause, right?
It's both, really. A lot of homelessness originated when states sharply cut back inpatient mental health services; former patients had no place to go and were unable to function on their own, so they ended up homeless. (And yes, I acknowledge that is largely the result of Republican policies decades ago, mostly before I was old enough to really be knowledgeable about or involved in politics. To the extent I was aware of it, I thought it was a bad idea then, and of course I still think so.) So to that extent, yes, it's a symptom.
Some homelessness is also due to economic circumstances. BT;DT, although fortunately I never had to live on the street. That, too, is a symptom.
But it's also a cause of many problems in our cities: crime, litter and human waste in the streets, residents fearful to travel into neighborhoods, lower property values. The government has to provide health and police services to people who contribute little tax revenue, which further strains budgets and raises taxes for the residents who are not homeless. To this extent, it is also a cause.
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@HardwareGeek the only good thing the Gipper did and you don't like it? Unmedicated schizophrenics are only regular dangerous and this is far outweighed by the simple joy of seeing a poorly-dressed adult argue with a fire hydrant.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
Meanwhile, in Europe:
"Electricity price in France soars above €1000/MWh, up from 85 €/MWh a year ago"
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@Zerosquare Is that because you export a lot of it?
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@HardwareGeek Crime is also a symptom.
Also, preventing stuff from happening is ultimately cheaper than cleaning up afterwards. It's just that the costs for prevention are presented upfront and the avoided costs for the negative effects are not visible. And thus prevention becomes not so attractive for most politicians - because it's usually not something that presents you with a result you can point to right now. Just like some CEOs are notorious for staring at quarterly results.