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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
though I have to wonder why they're pulling their ads at all
Volatility in predicted effectiveness, possible conflict of corporate interest, or, probably shoulder aliens.
and why they feel ashamed about doing so.
Perhaps the way the shoulder aliens told them to made them feel weird. Since there are no costs associated with publicizing an action, there is no other excuse.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla Tesla is a competitor. Tesla’s owner now owns Twitter. That alone would make vehicle manufacturers wary, moderation question marks aside.
Sure, those make some sense, but again, they've publicly announced their decision so they can't be shamed by having Musk repeat what they've already said.
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@boomzilla which is why the “thermonuclear name and shame” is such a weird tactic.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Insulting the people who stopped paying you because they don’t approve of the choices you made is wonderful business sense. Especially as they were entirely predictable.
Don't worry, if his previous businesses are any indication, government grant is just around the corner.
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@Gustav Well, the emerald mines, SpaceX, Tesla, The Boring Company... these all produce things.
What does Twitter produce?
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@Arantor salt.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav Well, the emerald mines, SpaceX, Tesla, The Boring Company... these all produce things.
What does Twitter produce?
Advertising data.
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@boomzilla alright, so, the weirdness is, if nobody is going to be ashamed, or even have had a shameful reasoning process, then the naming can certainly occur, but the shaming would not perforce follow. This in particular renders the term "thermonuclear" incongruous.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav Well, the emerald mines, SpaceX, Tesla, The Boring Company... these all produce things.
What does Twitter produce?
Opinion reinforcement.
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And these things, salt, memes, advertising data, can you monetise them if you're not Elon Musk?
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
And these things, salt, memes, advertising data, can you monetise them if you're not Elon Musk?
I can only do anything at all under such preconditions.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
And these things, salt, memes, advertising data, can you monetise them if you're not Elon Musk?
Advertising data is the tulip bulbs driving silly con valley, so it would seem that it can be monetized.
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
And these things, salt, memes, advertising data, can you monetise them if you're not Elon Musk?
Advertising data is the tulip bulbs driving silly con valley, so it would seem that it can be monetized.
Wait, you have tulip bulbs? Do you accept Iraqi dinar?
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@Gribnit said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
And these things, salt, memes, advertising data, can you monetise them if you're not Elon Musk?
Advertising data is the tulip bulbs driving silly con valley, so it would seem that it can be monetized.
Wait, you have tulip bulbs? Do you accept Iraqi dinar?
Didn't you mean bitcoin from FTX?
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The Boring Company... these all produce things.
What, snake oil?
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@topspin they promised a giant hole and they delivered!
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The Boring Company... these all produce things.
What, snake oil?
Flamethrowers.
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@loopback0 inb4 Twitter-branded flamethrowers.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@loopback0 inb4 Twitter-branded flamethrowers.
We have enough hot air balloons.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@loopback0 inb4 Twitter-branded flamethrowers.
They'd probably sell quite a few of those
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@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@GOG Which Joe Blow? Names are not unique. Not by a long shot.
According to the 2010 U.S. Census:
20,944 James Smith
20,590 William Smith
18,845 Mary Smith
17,938 John Smith
16,307 Robert Smith
13,540 James Williams
13,432 James Johnson
12,980 William Johnson
12,807 Charles Smith
12,625 James Brown
12,366 John Johnson
12,296 Mary Johnson
12,125 John Williams
11,957 William Brown
11,873 Robert Johnson
11,790 William Jones
10,915 George Smith
10,707 Mary Williams
10,690 James Jones
10,514 Mary Brown
10,323 John Miller
10,022 Mary Jones
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin they promised a giant hole and they delivered!
I think the real “product” isn’t a hole in the ground, but preventing normal, proven public transportation from getting implemented in favor of obviously-bullshit vacuum tubes. Anything for the auto makers (cough) to prevent public transport.
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@Gribnit said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@HardwareGeek well, technically advertisers support paid speech. It's kinda definitional.
Fee Speech™, according to the Fist Amendment.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
can you monetise them
Sounds like hard work to me.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@GOG Which Joe Blow? Names are not unique. Not by a long shot.
According to the 2010 U.S. Census:
20,944 James Smith
20,590 William Smith
18,845 Mary Smith
17,938 John Smith
16,307 Robert Smith
13,540 James Williams
13,432 James Johnson
12,980 William Johnson
12,807 Charles Smith
12,625 James Brown
12,366 John Johnson
12,296 Mary Johnson
12,125 John Williams
11,957 William Brown
11,873 Robert Johnson
11,790 William Jones
10,915 George Smith
10,707 Mary Williams
10,690 James Jones
10,514 Mary Brown
10,323 John Miller
10,022 Mary Jones
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I gotta ask. Is this a compelling reason to join twitter?
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@DogsB said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gern_Blaanston said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@GOG Which Joe Blow? Names are not unique. Not by a long shot.
According to the 2010 U.S. Census:
12,366 John Johnson
And his brother, Dick Peter Johnson
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@DogsB said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Is this a compelling reason to join twitter?
Watching a train-wreck is entertaining, but I don't know if I would call it compelling.
But, on the other hand there is this (from that same article):
Omnicom reportedly told clients it had “formally requested that Twitter assure us that these issues will not impact compliant processes, operations, products, brand safety and client investment on the platform in any way”
but had not received a response “seemingly due to the lack of senior leadership now in these areas.”
I guess that's what happens when you fire everyone.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav Well, the emerald mines, SpaceX, Tesla, The Boring Company... these all produce things.
What does Twitter produce?
Public opinion control.
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@acrow said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav Well, the emerald mines, SpaceX, Tesla, The Boring Company... these all produce things.
What does Twitter produce?
Public opinion control.
Well, kinda. Most of that is actually done by the transportation department. Then you've got Alligator Control in your bigger cities. But, yeah, it's in there.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@GOG Which Joe Blow? Names are not unique. Not by a long shot.
According to the 2010 U.S. Census:
20,944 James Smith
20,590 William Smith
18,845 Mary Smith
17,938 John Smith
16,307 Robert Smith
13,540 James Williams
13,432 James Johnson
12,980 William Johnson
12,807 Charles Smith
12,625 James Brown
12,366 John Johnson
12,296 Mary Johnson
12,125 John Williams
11,957 William Brown
11,873 Robert Johnson
11,790 William Jones
10,915 George Smith
10,707 Mary Williams
10,690ed. sighJames Jones
10,514 Mary Brown
10,323 John Miller
10,022 Mary JonesWell done James Jones, we don't seem to be overusing that name much anymore.
ed. they also still drink kool-aid
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@Gribnit I notice Mike Patton isn’t on the list.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gribnit I notice Mike Patton isn’t on the list.
Well yeah. He'd be Michael Patton.
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@Gribnit I don't see a Michael Patton on there either. Proves what I was telling you about the necessity of a 'group of people who is not Mike Patton' because there are so few that everyone else is a group by proxy.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin they promised a giant hole and they delivered!
I think the real “product” isn’t a hole in the ground, but preventing normal, proven public transportation from getting implemented in favor of obviously-bullshit vacuum tubes. Anything for the auto makers (cough) to prevent public transport.
You're thinking of the Hyperscam. The tunnel thing was to make the world's most inefficient subway system.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The tunnel thing was to make the world's most
inefficient subway system.elite and exclusive marketing tie in for purchasing a Tesla
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin they promised a giant hole and they delivered!
I think the real “product” isn’t a hole in the ground, but preventing normal, proven public transportation from getting implemented in favor of obviously-bullshit vacuum tubes. Anything for the auto makers (cough) to prevent public transport.
You're thinking of the Hyperscam. The tunnel thing was to make the world's most inefficient subway system.
Maybe he was aiming for a more practical one. And then ran straight into the red tape.
I mean, a tesla's powertrain seems perfect for making a small-ish train like they have on some fairgrounds. Except regular public transportation can't be roofless. Or doorless. And without proper disabled access. Or driverless if it's not sensorless. And so on and so forth. And suddenly he didn't have the makings of a train after all.
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@acrow said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin they promised a giant hole and they delivered!
I think the real “product” isn’t a hole in the ground, but preventing normal, proven public transportation from getting implemented in favor of obviously-bullshit vacuum tubes. Anything for the auto makers (cough) to prevent public transport.
You're thinking of the Hyperscam. The tunnel thing was to make the world's most inefficient subway system.
Maybe he was aiming for a more practical one. And then ran straight into the red tape.
No, there was nothing practical about it. It was a subway for cars. His pitch was that it solved the traffic problem, which I guess would be true if you were
the richest guy in the worlda Bond villain and could build this tunnel that took you between places you wanted to go between and you didn't have to wait or whatever.I mean, a tesla's powertrain seems perfect for making a small-ish train like they have on some fairgrounds. Except regular public transportation can't be roofless. Or doorless. And without proper disabled access. Or driverless if it's not sensorless. And so on and so forth. And suddenly he didn't have the makings of a train after all.
Yeah, it was never meant to be a train at all. Just a way for him to avoid freeways.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gribnit I notice Mike Patton isn’t on the list.
One is enough
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@acrow said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin they promised a giant hole and they delivered!
I think the real “product” isn’t a hole in the ground, but preventing normal, proven public transportation from getting implemented in favor of obviously-bullshit vacuum tubes. Anything for the auto makers (cough) to prevent public transport.
You're thinking of the Hyperscam. The tunnel thing was to make the world's most inefficient subway system.
Maybe he was aiming for a more practical one. And then ran straight into the red tape.
I mean, a tesla's powertrain seems perfect for making a small-ish train like they have on some fairgrounds. Except regular public transportation can't be roofless. Or doorless. And without proper disabled access. Or driverless if it's not sensorless. And so on and so forth. And suddenly he didn't have the makings of a train after all.
Yeah, but there is a reason for trains and subways to look like they do. It's a pretty optimized design, and most tries to reinvent it fail because they are worse in some or all ways. His Muskiness managed to come up with two designs that were worse in all ways.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gribnit I don't see a Michael Patton on there either. Proves what I was telling you about the necessity of a 'group of people who is not Mike Patton' because there are so few that everyone else is a group by proxy.
However, the list also does not contain a William Miller.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin they promised a giant hole and they delivered!
I think the real “product” isn’t a hole in the ground, but preventing normal, proven public transportation from getting implemented in favor of obviously-bullshit vacuum tubes. Anything for the auto makers (cough) to prevent public transport.
You're thinking of the Hyperscam. The tunnel thing was to make the world's most inefficient subway system.
Isn't that one and the same?
To build the Hyper, he needs to dig tunnels. He could just outsource that, but the Boring Company is the vertical integration of the Hyper supply chain.
There's nothing inherently wrong with digging tunnels, but as the punny name suggest, it's a boring technology. I mean, if you're digging tunnels through the Swiss Alps or the English Channel it is quite impresive, but it's still essentially a solved problem. As far as I can tell, he didn't even promise anything revolutionary in that regard. Unlike the Hyper, where Subways are existing technology, but he promised to reivent the square, moldy wheel.His pitch was that it solved the traffic problem, which I guess would be true if you were the
richest guy in the worlda Bond villainThat, too, is a solved problem. Helicopters exist, and are probably a lot cheaper.
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@topspin no, the Hyperscam was going to be above ground tubes.
From his original white paper:
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@boomzilla oh, who can keep track of all this bullshit. I thought they're driving teslas through tunnels because it turned out vacuum tubes don't actually work and Subways are too effective.