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@boomzilla People must be conflating with the boring thing.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
I mean, if you're digging tunnels through the Swiss Alps or the English Channel it is quite impresive, but it's still essentially a solved problem. As far as I can tell, he didn't even promise anything revolutionary in that regard.
He promised a revolutionary reduction in the cost of solving the solved problem. The order of magnitude cost saving proved utterly unrealistic, of course.
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@HardwareGeek well, if 90% of the cost is paid by subsidies, you get a magical cost reduction.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
I mean, if you're digging tunnels through the Swiss Alps or the English Channel it is quite impresive, but it's still essentially a solved problem. As far as I can tell, he didn't even promise anything revolutionary in that regard.
He promised a revolutionary reduction in the cost of solving the solved problem. The order of magnitude cost saving proved utterly unrealistic, of course.
He also promised it'd be faster to make tunnels in his magic way. And it wasn't.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla oh, who can keep track of all this bullshit. I thought they're driving teslas through tunnels because it turned out vacuum tubes don't actually work and Subways are too effective.
TBF ⁿ would have needed a decent amount of tunnels to pass real terrain with real people in it who'd feel slightly uncomfortable being hurtled across a mountain pass at jetplane speed.
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I understand that shitting on the innovative disruptive technology of engineering genius is fun, but as a Software Engineer, I have noticed some interesting messages about the changes he's introducing in that area. Like firing people based on LOC count, trimming microservices by 80%, etc...
Is there any more serious source about this than Twitter tweets?
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OK, that's one way to do it: be your own ad customer!
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@Kamil-Podlesak other than failure states introduced by turning off those microservices? (See yesterday’s failure to log in via SMS 2FA as that microservice is gone now)
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This thing might actually be more fun to watch than the crypto market.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla oh, who can keep track of all this bullshit. I thought they're driving teslas through tunnels because it turned out vacuum tubes don't actually work and Subways are too effective.
We have a whole thread to keep track of Elon's bullshit. I agree, it's a lot.
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@LaoC said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
OK, that's one way to do it: be your own ad customer!
Musk shifting money between his companies to hide fuckups. Wow, that's unheard of.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla oh, who can keep track of all this bullshit. I thought they're driving teslas through tunnels because it turned out vacuum tubes don't actually work and Subways are too effective.
We have a whole thread to keep track of Elon's bullshit. I agree, it's a lot.
That's ironic, considering how hard he works to get rids of trolleys.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla oh, who can keep track of all this bullshit. I thought they're driving teslas through tunnels because it turned out vacuum tubes don't actually work and Subways are too effective.
We have a whole thread to keep track of Elon's bullshit. I agree, it's a lot.
That's ironic, considering how hard he works to get rids of trolleys.
Getting rid of trolleys... oddly mask-like face...
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So much for 'free speech', the Melon Husk is now firing engineers who disagree with him either publicly or privately.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
So much for 'free speech', the Melon Husk is now firing engineers who disagree with him either publicly or privately.
Free Speech doesn't exist in private businesses. Never has.
If your boss is an incompetent nutjob with a giant ego, common sense says you should keep your mouth shut (no matter how difficult that might be), or, make preparations to work elsewhere.
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@Gern_Blaanston I'd generally agree, just that's the One Big Reason why Melon Husk is even doing all this.
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@Arantor in his defense, this fired engineer claimed 1000+ cross-microservice RPCs just to display the home screen was totally fine.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor in his defense, this fired engineer claimed 1000+ cross-microservice RPCs just to display the home screen was totally fine.
He claimed it's not 1000.
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@MrL I saw somebody do math and Twitter web client is making... what was the number? Somewehere between 600 and 800 web requests to display the feed, most of them after loading completed.
The client.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL I saw somebody do math and Twitter web client is making... what was the number? Somewehere between 600 and 800 web requests to display the feed, most of them after loading completed.
The client.
And? The engineer didn't claim it's ok.
Real number is not known. Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL I saw somebody do math and Twitter web client is making... what was the number? Somewehere between 600 and 800 web requests to display the feed, most of them after loading completed.
The client.
And? The engineer didn't claim it's ok.
It can be interpreted two ways. Either they said that Elon's whole premise is wrong and Twitter for Android is not slow at all. Or they disagreed about the exact numbers but agreed it's still bad, and publicly admitted they're personally responsible for Twitter for Android being so bad. And I kinda doubt they meant the latter.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL I saw somebody do math and Twitter web client is making... what was the number? Somewehere between 600 and 800 web requests to display the feed, most of them after loading completed.
The client.
And? The engineer didn't claim it's ok.
It can be interpreted two ways. Either they said that Elon's whole premise is wrong and Twitter for Android is not slow at all. Or they disagreed about the exact numbers but agreed it's still bad, and publicly admitted they're personally responsible for Twitter for Android being so bad. And I kinda doubt they meant the latter.
Did you actually see the relevant tweets?
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@MrL did YOU?
I have spent ~6yrs working on Twitter for Android and can say this is wrong.
"This" being the quoted Elon's OP.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL did YOU?
I have spent ~6yrs working on Twitter for Android and can say this is wrong.
"This" being the quoted Elon's OP.
Yes,
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@MrL glad you saw the light and finally agree with me.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
So much for 'free speech', the Melon Husk is now firing engineers who disagree with him either publicly or privately.
Free Speech doesn't exist in private businesses. Never has.
If your boss is an incompetent nutjob with a giant ego, common sense says you should keep your mouth shut (no matter how difficult that might be), or, make preparations to work elsewhere.
It's definitely not a free speech issue. It might very well be an employments rights issue, but then Musk previously claimed the fired people got severance packages higher than required by law, so maybe not.
It probably is an issue for the company to fire people with experience whenever the CEO randomly thinks he knows better about some technical details or whenever somebody disagrees with him. Might just leave incompetent yes-men behind. But that's Musk's own problem he's heading towards.
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@topspin my thinking was that this does also expose some hypocrisy on Musk’s part: he implied that all of this was to ensure freedom of speech because he is a free speech absolutionist (his term), which to me should imply that other people should be free to have opinions without this kind of consequence.
It reeks to me of “I believe in freedom of speech, as long as I can say what I want without consequence, and you can say what you want… as long as it agrees with me”.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
It reeks to me of “I believe in freedom of speech, as long as I can say what I want without consequence, and you can say what you want… as long as it agrees with me”.
He never said that and free speech doesn't mean no consequences. He also didn't ban them from Twitter, did he?
This is apart from the issue of who's right in those exchanges. I'd bet that when it comes to technical things the employees are right and Musk is just spewing bullshit to create impression of technical competence.
He talks bullshit for publicity, which is all that he ever does, employees take it seriously and respond. Both things on Twitter. Which just shows, once again, that Twitter is trash.
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Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
He was an aspie (by his own admission!) schmuck well before he became a libertarian saint. He's the epitome of getting where one is with charisma and bullshit and accomplishments of others despite his meddling. I'm not discounting that he may have the mental capability to actually understand rocket science, but evidently funny birds are constantly chirping in his head telling him to do random stuff, and he obeys.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
He was an aspie (by his own admission!)
He's not an aspie. It's just another lie to look cool.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
He was an aspie (by his own admission!) schmuck well before he became a libertarian saint.
There’s a difference?
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
So much for 'free speech', the Melon Husk is now firing engineers who disagree with him either publicly or privately.
Unless he suspended their accounts, I'm not seeing the connection.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
It reeks to me of “I believe in freedom of speech, as long as I can say what I want without consequence, and you can say what you want… as long as it agrees with me”.
He never said that and free speech doesn't mean no consequences. He also didn't ban them from Twitter, did he?
This is apart from the issue of who's right in those exchanges. I'd bet that when it comes to technical things the employees are right and Musk is just spewing bullshit to create impression of technical competence.
He talks bullshit for publicity, which is all that he ever does, employees take it seriously and respond. Both things on Twitter. Which just shows, once again, that Twitter is trash.
Yeah, I would have tried to reach out internally first. I have no idea if they tried that.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
He's not an aspie. It's just another lie to look cool.
Possibly. ICD Chapter V has many pages.
Just This Guy You Know? – 00:04
— Shannon Rose Kieran
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
He was an aspie (by his own admission!)
He's not an aspie. It's just another lie to look cool.
He definitely has ADHD though, or whatever it is the twatter kids have these days.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
He's not an aspie. It's just another lie to look cool.
Possibly. ICD Chapter V has many pages.
Just This Guy You Know? – 00:04
— Shannon Rose KieranWho diagnosed him and when? No information.
Proof of diagnosis? Not provided.
Ever mentioned asperger before it was popular and cool? Nope.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
He was an aspie (by his own admission!)
He's not an aspie. It's just another lie to look cool.
He definitely has ADHD though, or whatever it is the twatter kids have these days.
No, he doesn't.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Who diagnosed him and when?
I did, stupid! As a member of WTDWTF I'm a self-taught expert in all topics.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
I'm a self-taught expert in all topics.
You're Polish?
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So now, Elon has told employees:
"Going forward, to build a breakthrough Twitter 2.0 and succeed in an increasingly competitive world, we will need to be extremely hardcore. This will mean working long hours at high intensity.
Working long hours at high intensity .... doing what?
Twitter already exists. It is already well established. What "work" is there to do that would require "long hours at high intensity"? This is not a factory trying to manufacture more widgets.
I've also seen all the other social media CEOs talking about the need to "increases productivity" and I keep thinking "How do you increase productivity in a company that doesn't produce anything?"
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@Gern_Blaanston The reason being is that they hired a bunch of people during the pandemic for... some... reason and these peoples' employment doesn't really stand up to scrutiny going forward.
These places need people to keep them going, because never underestimate the value of SRE in a place that runs online services, but I don't know what feature dev Twitter has done in a while that I'd... noticed, I guess.
I'm sure they do do dev that people notice, like I'm sure there's work on accessiblity that I wouldn't notice. But unlike Facebook, Twitter wasn't trying to reinvent things that didn't really need inventing like the metaverse.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
So now, Elon has told employees:
"Going forward, to build a breakthrough Twitter 2.0 and succeed in an increasingly competitive world, we will need to be extremely hardcore. This will mean working long hours at high intensity.
Working long hours at high intensity .... doing what?
The work of everyone that's been let go (or is about to be let go) I assume
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@loopback0 said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
(or is about to be let go)
Here's the full email.
This is a reasonable approach. Sign up to a shit work-life balance, or we'll give you 3 months severance to leave.
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Which means all they'll be left with are the people that are either a) not likely to find another place in those 3 months or b) not willing to risk trying to find another place in 3 months.
IOW you're keeping the people who can't or won't say no, which are the people who aren't usually the best performers. Not a smart move.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Which means all they'll be left with are the people that are either a) not likely to find another place in those 3 months or b) not willing to risk trying to find another place in 3 months.
IOW you're keeping the people who can't or won't say no, which are the people who aren't usually the best performers. Not a smart move.
Though with the hiring bust in Silicon Valley positions at the moment, there's at least the possibility that the high achievers will feel stuck at this point and determine that they'll bite the bullet for now and keep their heads down.
I could also win the next $2bn lottery jackpot, but hey.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Not a smart move.
Well, I think that it has been well established now that Elon Musk didn't get rich by being smart.
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@Gern_Blaanston no, but for someone who runs large companies, this is rookie level stuff he should know better about.
But everything he's done since sweeping into Twitterville HQ has been next level WTF. Like, I have no fucking clue how to run a company and I'm positive I'd do a less insane job than Felon Tusk at this point. (Gotta mix up those names in case the simps are onto Melon Husk at this point)
I know a bunch of people that left Twitter, I'm still there because fucking hell the popcorn is the best ever.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Which means all they'll be left with are the people that are either a) not likely to find another place in those 3 months or b) not willing to risk trying to find another place in 3 months.
IOW you're keeping the people who can't or won't say no, which are the people who aren't usually the best performers. Not a smart move.
If I worked there (and wanted to), I'd sign it. But they couldn't pay me enough to work late all the time. So I'd just continue doing my job and leaving at my normal time knowing I might be fired in the (near) future.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Which means all they'll be left with are the people that are either a) not likely to find another place in those 3 months or b) not willing to risk trying to find another place in 3 months.
IOW you're keeping the people who can't or won't say no, which are the people who aren't usually the best performers. Not a smart move.
The alternative is "this is what's going on, like it or leave" and even fewer people take the risk because just leaving results in 0 months severence.