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@hungrier and which one gets the blue tick mark? Do they both get one? More importantly in the brave new world do they both get one?
(Aside from, everyone gets one if you just pay $8 for it)
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@Arantor They've both been verified, with checkmarks, for a long time:
I don't see this changing with the new regime.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@loopback0 said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
giving a grace period for enforcement of a rule that's already in place is silly.
Really?
Really. It'd be actively telling people it's OK to break the rule for that period and, people being people, would just encourage more people to do it for that period.
So you wouldn't bat an eye if you suddenly got fined for being drunk in a pub?
Which pub? Is it raining outside?
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Irregardless of whether the new (or old or whatever) rules are good or not, they're presumably now here and enforced because Elon is butthurt over somebody making fun of him. Makes him look like a really mature individual that you definitively want to have in charge of things.
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@topspin Yes, meaning people who make politically incorrect jokes don't get banned. It doesn't give people carte blanche to do any "funny" thing they want. If someone got banned for posting very cruel prank videos that would also fall under "reasonable" even though "comedy is legal now."
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Makes him look like a really mature individual that you definitively want to have in charge of things.
I mean...it's definitely a step up.
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@hungrier don't be fooled
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@remi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
and I find it equally hard to understand why Elon trolls people by responding "$8" to any mean tweet.
We no longer require comedy to be funny- we only experience varying forms and degrees of partisan rage.
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@The_Quiet_One said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The point is anyone with half a brain would know if impersonation accounts were so rampant as to just confuse the hell out of people it is a detriment to the platform.
So, whose $8 is the real $8?
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
(Aside from, everyone gets one if you just pay $8 for it)
Did they actually say they're gonna give it away to everyone who wants it, and not just keep the current verification process and just add a $8/month fee on top?
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@Gustav I imagine Elon is making a lot of this up as he goes, even the $8 wasn’t his original suggestion, he first pitched it at $20 to Stephen King.
He’s certainly implied that’s the deal but until it’s actually announced or written anywhere other than Elon’s personal Twitter feed, it’s just basically him shitposting, like the various replies he’s given to people of just “$8” to imply “you can have what you’re asking for but it’ll cost you the $8 I’ve talked about”.
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@Arantor $8.
$8.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav I imagine Elon is making a lot of this up as he goes, even the $8 wasn’t his original suggestion, he first pitched it at $20 to Stephen King.
For all his master class trolling, I wonder about his negotiation ability.
One stupid tweet by King whining that he cannot afford $20 and he drops it to $8? Why? If it's actually "exclusive" and valuable identification of identity, surely the fucking celebrities can afford that.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav I imagine Elon is making a lot of this up as he goes, even the $8 wasn’t his original suggestion, he first pitched it at $20 to Stephen King.
For all his master class trolling, I wonder about his negotiation ability.
One stupid tweet by King whining that he cannot afford $20 and he drops it to $8? Why? If it's actually "exclusive" and valuable identification of identity, surely the fucking celebrities can afford that.
Celebrities are the precursor influencers. They are not accustomed to having to pay.
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav I imagine Elon is making a lot of this up as he goes, even the $8 wasn’t his original suggestion, he first pitched it at $20 to Stephen King.
For all his master class trolling, I wonder about his negotiation ability.
One stupid tweet by King whining that he cannot afford $20 and he drops it to $8? Why? If it's actually "exclusive" and valuable identification of identity, surely the fucking celebrities can afford that.
Celebrities are the precursor influencers. They are not accustomed to having to pay.
Modest proposal: get fucked!
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Modest proposal: get fucked!
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav I imagine Elon is making a lot of this up as he goes, even the $8 wasn’t his original suggestion, he first pitched it at $20 to Stephen King.
For all his master class trolling, I wonder about his negotiation ability.
One stupid tweet by King whining that he cannot afford $20 and he drops it to $8? Why? If it's actually "exclusive" and valuable identification of identity, surely the fucking celebrities can afford that.
It was never intended to be $20. The goal isn't to have actual influential people buy checkmarks, the goal is to have stupid fuckwits who care about checkmarks to buy checkmarks. First, if he didn't start with $20, then $8 wouldn't sound like a bargain. Second, very few widely known services cost exactly $8 - that gives it more memetic power than 5, 6, 9 or 10 (not sure about 7 - does something cost $7?).
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@Gribnit
Soon
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The goal isn't to have actual influential people buy checkmarks, the goal is to have stupid fuckwits who care about checkmarks to buy checkmarks.
This. Let the actual important people keep theirs for free (they're your advertisement). Offer a "simplified" verification process for the plebs. Just $20/month or whatever. For most people that's still more in reach than becoming actually important.
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
more in reach than becoming actually important.
Even for the people who think they're actually important.
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Offer a "simplified" verification process for the plebs.
Verification was already very simple. 99% of checkmarks I've seen are total nobodies.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Offer a "simplified" verification process for the plebs.
Verification was already very simple. 99% of checkmarks I've seen are total nobodies.
IMNSHO the verification should not be about whether the person is “notable”—because notability is in the eye of the beholder—but whether what they claim about themselves in their about page is verifiable and truthful. It, sadly, isn't that, because many blue checks have a word salad for their bio.
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@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
IMNSHO the verification should not be about whether the person is “notable”—because notability is in the eye of the beholder—but whether what they claim about themselves in their about page is verifiable and truthful.
Simpler than that: it should merely confirmed that the account is controlled by the person it claims to be: so that anything tweeted by the account labelled "Joe Blow" can reasonably be inferred to be written/endorsed by Joe Blow.
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@GOG Which Joe Blow? Names are not unique. Not by a long shot. So there can be Joe Blow, reporter for WNN and Joe Blow, professor of underwater basket weaving, and both may be verified, so it should verify they are (or recently were; the verifier won't immediately learn if they get fired) what they claim. And then it's up to them to claim something that will establish them as the Joe Blow.
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The hilarity is that he introduced a second “verified” checkmark, this time in grey, only for it to be gone some hours later.
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@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@GOG Which Joe Blow? Names are not unique.
You'll note that I didn't use the word "name" anywhere in my post.
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@coderpatsy f that, I demand 3!
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@coderpatsy This is all going to make April Fools 2023 all that more entertaining.
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@The_Quiet_One said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@coderpatsy This is all going to make April Fools 2023 all that more entertaining.
Twitter will have imploded by then with bankruptcy.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@The_Quiet_One said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@coderpatsy This is all going to make April Fools 2023 all that more entertaining.
Twitter will have imploded by then with bankruptcy.
There you go, whispering sweet nothings in our ears.
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@Carnage even Musk is saying it though.
Insulting the people who stopped paying you because they don’t approve of the choices you made is wonderful business sense. Especially as they were entirely predictable.
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@Arantor I don't recall him insulting advertisers.
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Musk's response to the ad-buyer's exodus has been to insult them, saying they don't support "free speech," and even threatening to publicly "name and shame" them.
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Note also that the $8 Twitter Blue would show fewer ads to those users, thus also minimising the value of ad spending.
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@HardwareGeek well, technically advertisers support paid speech. It's kinda definitional.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor I don't recall him insulting advertisers.
You also don't recall whether I took my medication.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla
"Musk's response to the ad-buyer's exodus has been to insult them, saying they don't support "free speech," and even threatening to publicly "name and shame" them."I wouldn't have categorized that as insulting them, but OK.
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@boomzilla multiple different outlets (not just The Register but more sober outlets such as Business Insider) take the same view, that “a thermonuclear name and shame” of advertisers who refuse to advertise on Twitter now is insulting then.
Bear in mind that something like 15% of the moderation team no longer works there but “nothing’s changed”.
If advertisers don’t want to spend money there any more that’s their call, as “naming and shaming” the people who used to give you money and now don’t is pretty insulting in my book…
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
If advertisers don’t want to spend money there any more that’s their call, as “naming and shaming” the people who used to give you money and now don’t is pretty insulting in my book…
It seems like they're proud about pulling their ads. How can you virtue signal without a signal?
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@boomzilla funny because I had seen articles about advertisers pulling ads but only a handful of names seemed to be mentioned, and they didn’t seem like they were the ones virtue signalling.
Would love to see which companies are actively reporting that they’re leaving Twitter.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Would love to see which companies are actively reporting that they’re leaving Twitter.
Isn't that exactly what VW, GM, Ford etc did?
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@loopback0 well, considering that GM, Ford etc are car makers and this takeover was part funded by Tesla, it seems that they’re pausing to assess if there’s a competitive element. I imagine VW is in a similar boat.
Though Ford couldn’t confirm when they were last paying for ads (and suggested they weren’t paying for ads before the acquisition).
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
that GM, Ford etc are car makers and this takeover was part funded by Tesla
Importantly, also truck makers. They have a split market over the partisan divide, and have little to gain from doing anything not indicated by simple prudence ( e.g. not advertising on a platform currently in the process of losing engine power, catching fire, and sinking.)
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla funny because I had seen articles about advertisers pulling ads but only a handful of names seemed to be mentioned, and they didn’t seem like they were the ones virtue signalling.
Would love to see which companies are actively reporting that they’re leaving Twitter.
That could be. I admit to not following that stuff very closely, though I have to wonder why they're pulling their ads at all and why they feel ashamed about doing so.
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@boomzilla Tesla is a competitor. Tesla’s owner now owns Twitter. That alone would make vehicle manufacturers wary, moderation question marks aside.