The Belt Onion club
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@Zerosquare said in The Belt Onion club:
@Gurth said in The Belt Onion club:
That only makes it easier to trick them into opening it.
Yes, but it only works if they have it installed in the first place.
AFAIK, every Linux and Mac has it whether you want it or not. Not sure about the Windows Subsystem for Linux, but some quick googling gives me the impression it has it too.
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
@PleegWat said in The Belt Onion club:
@DogsB said in The Belt Onion club:
You need facial muscles to extend your arm?
For the most effective slap you need to be using your whole body. Using only arm muscles is just not going to cut it.
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
It’s just that it comes with no explanations of any concepts, at all.
It comes with instructions.
The "getting started" page doesn't answer my questions regarding shared vs. separate identity.
It's not a weird or Discord-specific concept though, although maybe I'm missing something that's unobvious to people not familiar with it.
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
can they see I’m joined in both?
Only if they're also in both.
That's better than "always", but I'd prefer if things were completely separate. "No, that's a completely different @topspin over there. -@topspin would never hang out with those guys."
As usual the way to have two separate identities is to, well, have two separate identities and have two accounts.
topspin#1234 and nottopspinhonest#6969 or whatever.
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@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
As usual the way to have two separate identities is to, well, have two separate identities and have two accounts.
That's fine, if you figure out which is which.
To me, different "servers" sound independent of each other. If I open the browser (one app, just like discord) and visit different "servers" (tdwtf and reddit) they have no idea of my shared identity, except through privacy-invading means. The same would hold if I use the above-mentioned analogous old-fashioned IRC client on different servers. OTOH, If I go to different categories on wtdwtf, then it's all the same one.
The only problem I have with Discord is the "a server is like a tree house" style explanations for "digital natives" fail to actually explain concepts. Generally, the whole thing leaves me feeling like I'm too to use it.
At least the app itself is halfway decent (some annoying things aside), unlike e.g. the festering shitpile that is MS Teams.
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
If I open the browser (one app, just like discord) and visit different "servers" (tdwtf and reddit) they have no idea of my shared identity
Those are separate services rather than two groups within the same service.
If you sign into TDWTF as topspin and join both the Garage and Mafia groups then members of both can see that.
If you signed into Facebook as Top Spin and join both "Horse Lickers DE" and "Alex Papadimoulis fanclub" then members of both can see that.@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
The same would hold if I use the above-mentioned analogous old-fashioned IRC client on different servers
The two servers are completely separate services.
I can see how the "server" terminology could be confusing considering it doesn't mean the same thing though.
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
At least the app itself is halfway decent (some annoying things aside)
Yes it manages to pull off being an Electron app that doesn't suck
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
"digital natives"
I'm clearly not one of these as while writing the previous post I managed to accidentally fullscreen the composer twice and the first time couldn't even remember how to unfullscreen it.
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@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
If you sign into TDWTF as topspin and join both the Garage and Mafia groups then members of both can see that.
Yes, you might notice I brought up the same example.
But discord has both different "servers" and "channels within those servers", which intuitively would map to "different identity" and "same identity" respectively, yet from what I've just learned it's all the same.@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
couldn't even remember how to unfullscreen it.
Switch to a different tab, it will randomly resize.
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A better analogy for a Discord server is probably closer to subreddit - it is a separate community to each other separate community with its own moderators and whatnot, all backed by a single identity management service for convenience.
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Fucking stupid cunts, is what Discord is.
So, I haven't used it for ages now. Opened up discord.com. Download or Open in browser? Hmm. Well, the latter, don't want to pollute my computer with another Electroncrap that wants to update twice a day for no good reason.
:dicksored: Enter username.
Eh, alright, I don't quite recall, but... let's try Applied Mediocrity.
:dicksored: Are you a robot?
Yes, but that's beside the point, let me in already.
:dicksored: Mkay.
Ooh, I'm in... wait, what? No password? I think I even got 1.5FA! Ah, it's "unclaimed account". What happened instead of "no such user" is a new temp account got created, which you can then "claim".And if you try to open in browser again, your IP gets rate limited. Listen, you shitbricks, nobody on this side actually asked you to spam your own system with any unclaimed accounts, did I now? Well, fuck you then and die in a
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
To me, different "servers" sound independent of each other.
“Server” is a retarded label for what is provided and I refuse to refer them as such, exceptions made only when surrounded by a sufficient number of quotation marks.
The API and absolutely everything except the actual UI calls them “guilds,” FWIW.
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@kazitor for a service designed for gamers, that makes sense.
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@TwelveBaud said in The Belt Onion club:
I still don't know how people write anything in PHP with them
And I even do not want to know that!
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@kazitor said in The Belt Onion club:
The API and absolutely everything except the actual UI calls them “guilds,” FWIW.
It's short for "globally unique ildentifiers".
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@Zecc is this some new variant format I haven’t seen before? They don’t seem to set the right bits for that.
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@kazitor said in The Belt Onion club:
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
To me, different "servers" sound independent of each other.
“Server” is a retarded label for what is provided and I refuse to refer them as such, exceptions made only when surrounded by a sufficient number of quotation marks.
The API and absolutely everything except the actual UI calls them “guilds,” FWIW.
Even the documentation puts servers in quotation marks.
Guilds in Discord represent an isolated collection of users and channels, and are often referred to as "servers" in the UI.
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@boomzilla "My internet used to come through the phone, it made a terrible noise until I looked up the Hayes modem command to not have the noise routed audibly."
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@Arantor if only I'd stuck to chess and tic-tac-toe.
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@boomzilla but why stop there whan you have so many better choices?
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@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
@boomzilla "My internet used to come through the phone, it made a terrible noise until I looked up the Hayes modem command to not have the noise routed audibly."
My friend used to have a (cut off) headphone cable connected to the modem. It's only when I realized these things had a headphone jack (at least some) and that I'm not going to do that, that I looked up how to turn that shit off.
On the one hand, that was a huge improvement, on the other hand before that I used to be able to guess the connection speed while it was still dialing.
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
I used to be able to guess the connection speed while it was still dialing.
I am in this post and I don't like it.
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
My friend used to have a (cut off) headphone cable connected to the modem. It's only when I realized these things had a headphone jack (at least some) and that I'm not going to do that, that I looked up how to turn that shit off.
For me, it was when I didn’t want to wake the rest of the house up when dialling into the ISP late at night.
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So I don't post in this topic a lot because I'm in my early 30s. And while that used to only qualify me for a :belt_shallot:, I had an experience recently that makes me think I need to upgrade to the full Belt Onion.
It was Halloween, and I'm handing out candy at my house. A couple neighborhood kids came up and rang my doorbell. They're maybe 11 or 12.
I tell then to take a few pieces of candy because it's getting late and my wife bought WAY too much candy. They do. The first kid thanks me and then walks off.
The second kid says, "Thank you, sir."
OOOF
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@dkf said in The Belt Onion club:
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
I used to be able to guess the connection speed while it was still dialing.
I am in this post and I don't like it.
Kchchchchzping-ping-ping — "oh nice, v.
432"
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@dkf said in The Belt Onion club:
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
I used to be able to guess the connection speed while it was still dialing.
I am in this post and I don't like it.
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@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
@boomzilla "My internet used to come through the phone, it made a terrible noise until I looked up the Hayes modem command to not have the noise routed audibly."
First thing in my mind was "ATM0".
Looked it up and I was correct, after all these years.
Sometimes I feel like a repository of useless factoids.
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@nerd4sale I would have said ATM0 in the post but I wasn't sure how many people would have got it from that alone
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@nerd4sale said in The Belt Onion club:
Sometimes I feel like a repository of useless factoids.
I've tried to make a career out of being a repository of useless factoids.
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@dkf said in The Belt Onion club:
I've tried to make a career out of being a repository of useless factoids.
Been there, done that. And then I moved on from being an Oracle developer.
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Knowing a bunch of useless factoids is good for being a PHP developer, such as what are considered truthy and falsy values and when.
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@aitap said in The Belt Onion club:
Pretty neat! But I didn't mean to imply being particularly knowledgable about that stuff. I'm sure there are people out there (or on here, with stronger than me) who knew details of that and could hear it from the modem sound, but for me it was just the biological version of a dumb ML classifier. Slow sounded different than fast, and I recognized the patterns at some point without understanding them.
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@dkf said in The Belt Onion club:
I've tried to make a career out of being a repository of useless factoids.
You took part in enough pub quizzes to live off the prizes?
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@Gurth There are a couple of quiz shows he could go on here if that was a thing he wanted to do.
Alas none of the current lineup for The Chase are programmers. Or at least, none that will admit to it.
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
@PleegWat said in The Belt Onion club:
@DogsB said in The Belt Onion club:
You need facial muscles to extend your arm?
For the most effective slap you need to be using your whole body. Using only arm muscles is just not going to cut it.
And make the slap have a slight upwards angle, and hit at the rear of the jawline. With sufficient force, it will topple the slapee. And leave a nice, red handprint all over the side of the face.
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@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
Alas none of the current lineup for The Chase are programmers.
That sounds like it might involve running. No thanks.
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@dkf This is one of the current line-up:
Can assure no running is involved.
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@dkf said in The Belt Onion club:
That sounds like it might involve running. No thanks.
Running has been shown to be a cause of runtime errors.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in The Belt Onion club:
The second kid says, "Thank you, sir."
OOOF
I'm always fascinated by random tiny cultural differences. Like for example, in Poland, you use Sir for everyone who doesn't look obviously middle school or younger. "You" is considered very impolite, just one step below "you motherfucker". Things get much trickier with young women, though, since "you" is still very impolite but "Ma'am" sounds like you think they look old, which can be even worse. Theoretically you could use Mademoiselle but it went out of fashion some 80 years ago.
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@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
@boomzilla "My internet used to come through the phone"
: "What do you mean? It still does"
"What's a landline?"
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@Gąska said in The Belt Onion club:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in The Belt Onion club:
The second kid says, "Thank you, sir."
OOOF
I'm always fascinated by random tiny cultural differences. Like for example, in Poland, you use Sir for everyone who doesn't look obviously middle school or younger. "You" is considered very impolite, just one step below "you motherfucker". Things get much trickier with young women, though, since "you" is still very impolite but "Ma'am" sounds like you think they look old, which can be even worse. Theoretically you could use Mademoiselle but it went out of fashion some 80 years ago.
In my experience, women quickly adjust to being called "Ma'am" when they go to college or enter the workforce, because there's always going to be someone considerably older that's gonna be using it (and they'll probably be on a first-name basis with most of their peers anyway).
Maybe we should reintroduce our "v" form?
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I was told that in Russian, using the equivalent of sir/madam (gospodin/gospozha) sounds really really weird. Instead, some form of [man|boy]/[woman|girl] is used when addressing strangers (ie getting their attention) depending on age. But it's been nearly 20 years, so I can't say for sure. Or for sure exactly what words are used.
Realizing it's been 20 years since I was over there originally makes me feel even more .
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@Benjamin-Hall it has the same etymology as Polish gospodarz, and the latter means a host. Wiktionary says this is also the second meaning of the Russian word - probably even the original meaning before Russia became more connected with the rest of Europe and they desperately needed to invent a counterpart of Mister for the purposes of international diplomacy (that's my theory at least). What I mean is, I'm not terribly surprised it sounds weird to common folks.
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@Gąska I've heard that the best translation for the original meaning (as a form of address) was something like "Master/Mistress of the House" (which is fairly close to the origin of Mister and Mistress in English) and that it used to be quite common in the pre-Soviet era. And then was crushed hard and just not really replaced. Sort of how "sir" and "ma'am" have fallen out of favor in the US except in the South, where they're very every-day forms (oddly enough, in my personal lexicon, the latter is much more normal than the former).
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@Gąska said in The Belt Onion club:
it has the same etymology as Polish gospodarz
Compare with old church texts (e.g. Msa Glagolskaja by Janacek):
Gospodi pomiluj
("Lord, have mercy").
Oddly, Google Translate says that Czechhospodin
(g
was transformed toh
in Czech, like with Praga->Praha) meanspub
...On the other hand, there's Wikipedia:
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@BernieTheBernie yeah, that's the context I'm familiar with the word from. Where it always means "lord" (and when capitalized means "Lord" as in "the Lord God", ie the biblical sense.
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@BernieTheBernie reminds me of Polish medieval hymn Bogurodzica, essentially a prayer to Virgin Mary (the title translates to "she who gave birth to God"). It goes something like this:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
DZIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM SŁAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SorMdhsdymc
"Gospodzin" here means (Your Son) Lord.
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Are you sure it's Polish? I only see one single diacritic in it.
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@Zerosquare I think this is the post-iconv ASCII//TRANSLIT version.
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@Zerosquare it's over 600 years old, language evolved a bit.
It's an important song in Polish culture, as it's associated with just about the only time in history we absolutely destroyed Germans in combat.