The things you realise when browsing XKCD...
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When I was in 11th grade, Perl didn't exist.
Reflection: Pretty much nothing I did in 11th grade was useful to my career, except Driver's Ed.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
When I was in 11th grade, Perl didn't exist.
I'd already graduated from university before Perl came into existence.
Reflection: Pretty much nothing I did in 11th grade was useful to my career, except Driver's Ed.
True dat.
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@HardwareGeek said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I'd already graduated from university before Perl came into existence.
I was 3.
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@error That must have been a traumatic experience at that tender age.
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Hell, when I was in 11th grade, Nixon was still president. (He resigned before I came back from summer vacation.)
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@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Pretty much nothing I did in 11th grade was useful to my career, except Driver's Ed.
I was messing with both making hardware and doing physics simulations in 11th grade. They've both turned out to be career-relevant.
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@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
When I was in 11th grade, Perl didn't exist.
And by the time I was in 11th grade, Perl has nearly died off.
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
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@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
I've seen similarly misused PHP systems.
But from your lack of response I take that as a no.
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
PHP was never supposed to do anything more than a Personal Home Page.
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@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
I've seen similarly misused PHP systems.
But from your lack of response I take that as a no.Perl is great at what it does - quick and dirty bash-like scripts that need a bit more than what bash can offer (and has mostly been replaced with python now).
PHP is awful at what it's supposed to do.
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
I've seen similarly misused PHP systems.
But from your lack of response I take that as a no.Perl is great at what it does - quick and dirty bash-like scripts that need a bit more than what bash can offer (and has mostly been replaced with python now).
PHP is awful at what it's supposed to do.
PHP was pretty great at what it was built for too. Allowing hobbyists to cobble together silly webpages without much understanding of anything.
It then grew into some sort of de facto standard for building web pages, and in that usecase it sucks about as hard as anything not toy problem built in perl.
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@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
I've seen similarly misused PHP systems.
But from your lack of response I take that as a no.Perl is great at what it does - quick and dirty bash-like scripts that need a bit more than what bash can offer (and has mostly been replaced with python now).
PHP is awful at what it's supposed to do.
PHP was pretty great at what it was built for too. Allowing hobbyists to cobble together silly webpages without much understanding of anything.
It then grew into some sort of de facto standard for building web pages, and in that usecase it sucks about as hard as anything not toy problem built in perl.What's sad is that I don't really see a ton of websites written in python. Only nodeJS, which can be WTF in itself.
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
What's sad is that I don't really see a ton of websites written in python.
The frameworks for that sort of thing never really gained much traction; Ruby-on-Rails stole that space for a while (that which didn't just stick to PHP).
I suspect that whatever you end up for such will be horrible.
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
I've seen similarly misused PHP systems.
But from your lack of response I take that as a no.Perl is great at what it does - quick and dirty bash-like scripts that need a bit more than what bash can offer (and has mostly been replaced with python now).
PHP is awful at what it's supposed to do.
PHP was pretty great at what it was built for too. Allowing hobbyists to cobble together silly webpages without much understanding of anything.
It then grew into some sort of de facto standard for building web pages, and in that usecase it sucks about as hard as anything not toy problem built in perl.What's sad is that I don't really see a ton of websites written in python. Only nodeJS, which can be WTF in itself.
I've worked on both Django and flask services, although java is by far more common in my experience.
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@dkf said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I suspect that whatever you end up for such will be horrible.
Ultimately, you'd end up with websites, so horrible can be assumed.
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@Gąska said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
When I was in 11th grade, Perl didn't exist.
And by the time I was in 11th grade, Perl has nearly died off.
FALSE
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@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Carnage said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Have you ever had to maintain a large pile of perl that's supposed to be a web server?
Perl was never supposed to be a web server. What's PHP's defense?
I've seen similarly misused PHP systems.
But from your lack of response I take that as a no.Perl is great at what it does - quick and dirty bash-like scripts that need a bit more than what bash can offer (and has mostly been replaced with python now).
PHP is awful at what it's supposed to do.
PHP was pretty great at what it was built for too. Allowing hobbyists to cobble together silly webpages without much understanding of anything.
It then grew into some sort of de facto standard for building web pages, and in that usecase it sucks about as hard as anything not toy problem built in perl.What's sad is that I don't really see a ton of websites written in python. Only nodeJS, which can be WTF in itself.
I've worked on both Django and flask services, although java is by far more common in my experience.
Flask isn't utter garbage. Django seems to be everything wrong with Spring so far.
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@dkf said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
What's sad is that I don't really see a ton of websites written in python.
The frameworks for that sort of thing never really gained much traction; Ruby-on-Rails stole that space for a while (that which didn't just stick to PHP).
I suspect that whatever you end up for such will be horrible.
Python is likely to retain some services deployments talking to Huge Shitty Piles Of Linear Algebra.
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@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Python is likely to retain some services deployments talking to Huge Shitty Piles Of Linear Algebra.
Hey, I resemble that remark! My code mostly just evaluates those huge piles of linear algebra extremely quickly…
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@dkf said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Python is likely to retain some services deployments talking to Huge Shitty Piles Of Linear Algebra.
Hey, I resemble that remark! My code mostly just evaluates those huge piles of linear algebra extremely quickly…
If I get 2 years more senior I suspect that's all I'll be allowed to do. If the most recent deployment is the last mostly-determinist system I work on, that'd suck, b/c it's bobbing lightly atop a rather thick CA(p) cause-effect DAG library which I hoped to reuse. And I'll bet whatever workflow layer our HPCs try to foist on us hasn't as tight of invariants.
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@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
DAG
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
DAG
It's spelt djlykdegs. And actually it's only largely directed and mostly acyclic.
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@dkf said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Python is likely to retain some services deployments talking to Huge Shitty Piles Of Linear Algebra.
Hey, I resemble that remark! My code mostly just evaluates those huge piles of linear algebra extremely quickly…
I'm ing
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@error_bot !xkcd pile of linear algebra
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Wait a sec ... you just stir the pile? Like, just that? You don't have to have any soothing incense? No rubbing the computer with ritual oils? Don't need to chant of the holy hymns and litanies in binary?
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@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Wait a sec ... you just stir the pile? Like, just that? You don't have to have any soothing incense? No rubbing the computer with ritual oils? Don't need to chant of the holy hymns and litanies in binary?
The good piles stir themselves. GANs are sorta like genetic algorithms in that regard. Without a genome, but the adversarial network acts a lot like a fitness function.
The chanting is done at meetings, and is usually a variation on the mantra of "actionable insight"
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@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Wait a sec ... you just stir the pile? Like, just that? You don't have to have any soothing incense? No rubbing the computer with ritual oils? Don't need to chant of the holy hymns and litanies in binary?
The good piles stir themselves. GANs are sorta like genetic algorithms in that regard. Without a genome, but the adversarial network acts a lot like a fitness function.
It's kind of funny to think that this sounds exactly like the usual @gribnit nonsense rambling but is actually pretty apt. Probably because most ML sounds like a bunch of nonsense.
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@topspin said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Wait a sec ... you just stir the pile? Like, just that? You don't have to have any soothing incense? No rubbing the computer with ritual oils? Don't need to chant of the holy hymns and litanies in binary?
The good piles stir themselves. GANs are sorta like genetic algorithms in that regard. Without a genome, but the adversarial network acts a lot like a fitness function.
It's kind of funny to think that this sounds exactly like the usual @gribnit nonsense rambling but is actually pretty apt. Probably because most ML sounds like a bunch of nonsense.
Up to 50%, or more, of the nonsense is of this form.
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@topspin said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Wait a sec ... you just stir the pile? Like, just that? You don't have to have any soothing incense? No rubbing the computer with ritual oils? Don't need to chant of the holy hymns and litanies in binary?
The good piles stir themselves. GANs are sorta like genetic algorithms in that regard. Without a genome, but the adversarial network acts a lot like a fitness function.
It's kind of funny to think that this sounds exactly like the usual @gribnit nonsense rambling but is actually pretty apt. Probably because most ML sounds like a bunch of nonsense.
I'm starting to think @Gribnit is just an ML version of @error_bot
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@topspin said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Probably because most ML
sounds likeis exactly a bunch of nonsense.I still find it spooky as hell that random rearrangement + fitness function works so damn well.
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@dkf said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@topspin said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Probably because most ML
sounds likeis exactly a bunch of nonsense.I still find it spooky as hell that random rearrangement + fitness function works so damn well.
Why? It made you.
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@topspin said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Wait a sec ... you just stir the pile? Like, just that? You don't have to have any soothing incense? No rubbing the computer with ritual oils? Don't need to chant of the holy hymns and litanies in binary?
The good piles stir themselves. GANs are sorta like genetic algorithms in that regard. Without a genome, but the adversarial network acts a lot like a fitness function.
It's kind of funny to think that this sounds exactly like the usual @gribnit nonsense rambling but is actually pretty apt. Probably because most ML sounds like a bunch of nonsense.
I'm starting to think @Gribnit is just an ML version of @error_bot
Organic synthetic. Like you, but built with intent. The first version was enough to say "ball", after 3 years. The core barely understands a word, and prefers scatter plots.
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@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Why can't we have a world without both?
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@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Wait a sec ... you just stir the pile? Like, just that? You don't have to have any soothing incense? No rubbing the computer with ritual oils? Don't need to chant of the holy hymns and litanies in binary?
Actually I think the process involves using a big sieve to filter the pile until what is left makes the answer look right.
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@CodeJunkie said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Why can't we have a world without both?
How are you so certain that whatever came to prominence instead would not be worse?
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@PleegWat We can't be sure, but it's worth a try.
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@PleegWat said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@CodeJunkie said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Why can't we have a world without both?
How are you so certain that whatever came to prominence instead would not be worse?
Seems Python can fit the places for both languages.
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@PleegWat said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@CodeJunkie said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dangeRuss said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@cvi said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@error said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
I was 3.
At least you got to experience a world free of Perl for a brief time in your life. Think of all the people that have never seen the world without Perl.
I'd rather a world with Perl than one with PHP
Why can't we have a world without both?
How are you so certain that whatever came to prominence instead would not be worse?
Experience shows that existing examples are worse.
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Having written complex document parsers in AWK/SED, Perl, Python, C++, C#, SCHEME, LISP and two different forms of Basic. I will pick Perl over all of them.
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@Dragoon said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Having written complex document parsers in AWK/SED, Perl, Python, C++, C#, SCHEME, LISP and two different forms of Basic. I will pick Perl over all of them.
Psht. Must've been perversely complicated for AWK not to be the better parser.
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@error_bot said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
This could also describe how a Waste-to-Energy plant works.
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a Waste-to-Energy plant
Not to be confused with Energy-to-Waste, which is more commonly referred to as “cryptocurrency”
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@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Must've been perversely complicated for AWK not to be the better parser.
Probably a recursive context-sensitive grammar. Perl's “regular expressions” can match that sort of thing directly, which is in my mind a perfect demonstration of what's wrong with Perl. Sane(r) systems keep that sort of thing out precisely to retain some semblance of tractability and debuggability; Perl just jumps in head first and starts playing nookie with Codethulhu.
At least with Perl the decidability of such things is easy: I decide to not use Perl!
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@dkf said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Must've been perversely complicated for AWK not to be the better parser.
Probably a recursive context-sensitive grammar. Perl's “regular expressions” can match that sort of thing directly, which is in my mind a perfect demonstration of what's wrong with Perl. Sane(r) systems keep that sort of thing out precisely to retain some semblance of tractability and debuggability; Perl just jumps in head first and starts playing nookie with Codethulhu.
At least with Perl the decidability of such things is easy: I decide to not use Perl!
Well, I didn't learn Perl because it's a "write-only language". :P
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@cheong said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@dkf said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
@Gribnit said in The things you realise when browsing XKCD...:
Must've been perversely complicated for AWK not to be the better parser.
Probably a recursive context-sensitive grammar. Perl's “regular expressions” can match that sort of thing directly, which is in my mind a perfect demonstration of what's wrong with Perl. Sane(r) systems keep that sort of thing out precisely to retain some semblance of tractability and debuggability; Perl just jumps in head first and starts playing nookie with Codethulhu.
At least with Perl the decidability of such things is easy: I decide to not use Perl!
Well, I didn't learn Perl because it's a "write-only language". :P
I just hate productivity.