VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development
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@admiral_p said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@MrL said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@MrL said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
IME all media players, video or music, are shitty. I don't know if it's a uniquely challenging field or what.
One of the big challenges is that the end-users have highly inconsistent expectations of what such a program can do and how it should present those capabilities.
I don't know if it explains fully the sheer retardedness of media players.
Looking for a usable player on android, I eventually conceded defeat. Every single one is somehow broken in a idiotic way. Some examples:
- no, I don't want to be able to only play shuffled songs of chosen artist
- no, I don't want to make everything a 'playlist'
- no, I don't want whole screen surface to be the 'next' button
- no, I don't want to categorize everything only by 'genre'
- no, I don't want autogenerated 'mood' playlists thrown in my face all the time
- no, I don't want to share every click on facebook, or anywhere
- no, I don't want to rate songs with retarded stars/smileys/notes
and so on.Try Musicolet. It has some retardation with the play queue (but it might be configurable) but it looks decent, has no ads, it's lightweight and is really the best in a very bad bunch.
It may be slightly less retarded than the rest, but it doesn't have support for OneDrive, so it's quite useless for me.
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@MrL said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@admiral_p said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@MrL said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@MrL said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
IME all media players, video or music, are shitty. I don't know if it's a uniquely challenging field or what.
One of the big challenges is that the end-users have highly inconsistent expectations of what such a program can do and how it should present those capabilities.
I don't know if it explains fully the sheer retardedness of media players.
Looking for a usable player on android, I eventually conceded defeat. Every single one is somehow broken in a idiotic way. Some examples:
- no, I don't want to be able to only play shuffled songs of chosen artist
- no, I don't want to make everything a 'playlist'modules/roles/manifests/iteserver_muc.p
- no, I don't want whole screen surface to be the 'next' button
- no, I don't want to categorize everything only by 'genre'
- no, I don't want autogenerated 'mood' playlists thrown in my face all the time
- no, I don't want to share every click on facebook, or anywhere
- no, I don't want to rate songs with retarded stars/smileys/notes
and so on.Try Musicolet. It has some retardation with the play queue (but it might be configurable) but it looks decent, has no ads, it's lightweight and is really the best in a very bad bunch.
It may be slightly less retarded than the rest, but it doesn't have support for OneDrive, so it's quite useless for me.
Its iCal support is also quite bad.
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I don't listen to music from my computer anymore. I still listen to plenty of music, I just stream from Pandora rather than curating files on my computer. (I have run out of enthusiasm for curating files. I used to love it, or at least like it, but no longer.)
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@PotatoEngineer yeah, the only place I play music from files is in the car, where I have a USB drive plugged in. I have over 1,000 songs on the drives in each car, so calling that curated might be stretching things slightly, but my wife has similar things, and while there is significant overlap, there are significant differences in the songs included.
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@PotatoEngineer said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I just stream from Pandora
Being a proper hipster a lot of the music I listen to is not found on there.
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@Dragoon said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@PotatoEngineer said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I just stream from Pandora
Being a proper hipster a lot of the music I listen to is not found on there.
I'm not a hipster, but most of my music isn't there either. Those services have very poor international selection, unless you want latin america.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Dragoon said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@PotatoEngineer said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I just stream from Pandora
Being a proper hipster a lot of the music I listen to is not found on there.
I'm not a hipster, but most of my music isn't there either. Those services have very poor international selection, unless you want latin america.
Oh, I agree entirely; it's missing wide swathes of songs, and even for the genres it has, the individual songs are hit-and-miss depending on licensing. I'm a They Might Be Giants fan, and for the longest time, TMBG only had 3 licensed songs – everything else was on albums only. (They have more songs on Pandora now than they once did.) And Pandora is the wrong tool for curating your own playlists (such as, say, creating a TMBG playlist for the songs I haven't heard yet) because it's always suggesting new songs from different artists. There might be a way to "seal" a playlist and get Pandora to stop suggesting, but I don't know it offhand, so I just do the thumbs up/down thing until the station stabilizes to songs I like enough to not kick off. I'm also a J-Pop fan, and a lot of those songs are "radio-only" licensed, so that I can only listen to them via Pandora's random selections rather than picking specific songs.
But the is strong with me, and going to a website is easier than hanging around Pirate Bay all day to get the music. ...and don't forget the effort involved in making sure your music is available to you, by moving your songs to your phone and any laptops/desktops you use.
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@PotatoEngineer Heck, for my daily music consumption I just play random playlists from Youtube. I have Musicolet with files on my phone for when I'm in the car.
But honestly, I need to find new music. It's getting a bit repetitious.
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I use Youtube when I'm on my computer, and Apple Music (either via Alexa or from my phone using bluetooth/CarPlay/headphones) everywhere else.
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@PotatoEngineer said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
But the is strong with me, and going to a website is easier than hanging around Pirate Bay all day to get the music. ...and don't forget the effort involved in making sure your music is available to you, by moving your songs to your phone and any laptops/desktops you use.
Yeah, and I like being able to mix stations. It's not unusual for me to have, say, Devo, Otep, Mariachi and Corrosion of Conformity all shuffling together. And I've definitely found new artists I like when they show up on my stations.
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@boomzilla said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@PotatoEngineer said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
But the is strong with me, and going to a website is easier than hanging around Pirate Bay all day to get the music. ...and don't forget the effort involved in making sure your music is available to you, by moving your songs to your phone and any laptops/desktops you use.
Yeah, and I like being able to mix stations. It's not unusual for me to have, say, Devo, Otep, Mariachi and Corrosion of Conformity all shuffling together. And I've definitely found new artists I like when they show up on my stations.
The two things that I really dislike about Pandora are:
- No ability to ban entire artists from a station (I haven't been on pandora in about 2 years, so maybe they added that?)
- It using some of the wierdest "geonology" connections for its new song suggestions. (For example, trip-hop does a lot of sampling and one artist that I enjoy samples a lot of motown, well after liking their songs pandora thought I really liked motown more than the trip-hop and all the new songs it suggested were motown. I have nothing against motown, but this was a trip-hop station damnit.)
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@Dragoon you get what you deserve for listening to something calling itself "triphop." Probably should have just taken the hint and abandoned it for Motown.
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Haha, Portishead is awesome, I don't care what you say.
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Is this the where we plug our favorite artists?
Thank You Scientist is awesome.
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@error said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
Is this the where we plug our favorite artists?
Thank You Scientist is awesome.
Imagine having posts about the thread topic?
Triphop is great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSsgjm55eKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg1jyL3cr60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAiceRuLX1I
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@PotatoEngineer said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Benjamin-Hall said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Dragoon said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@PotatoEngineer said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I just stream from Pandora
Being a proper hipster a lot of the music I listen to is not found on there.
I'm not a hipster, but most of my music isn't there either. Those services have very poor international selection, unless you want latin america.
Oh, I agree entirely; it's missing wide swathes of songs, and even for the genres it has, the individual songs are hit-and-miss depending on licensing. I'm a They Might Be Giants fan, and for the longest time, TMBG only had 3 licensed songs – everything else was on albums only.
Same for me: Pandora rarely suggested songs I liked when I tried it, and it was "sold" to me as the best way to find new artists.
But the is strong with me, and going to a website is easier than hanging around Pirate Bay all day to get the music. ...and don't forget the effort involved in making sure your music is available to you, by moving your songs to your phone and any laptops/desktops you use.
This is what I liked about Google Play Music: I could upload most of my music library to it and make it available to me anywhere I had (open) internet access for free. I still put a favorite subset on my phone so I don't have to use mobile data to listen to music. (YouTube Music does work but I don't like it that much, and I didn't like GPM outside of playing the occasional online song.)
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My biggest gripe with Pandora is that it's not available in Canada. It was for a while when it first came out, then I guess it got hit by licensing issues. Is there any good music discovery service in Canada?
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@hungrier said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
My biggest gripe with Pandora is that it's not available in Canada. It was for a while when it first came out, then I guess it got hit by licensing issues. Is there any good music discovery service in Canada?
I've always heard more about Spotify than Pandora. Is that one available in Canada?
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I have one album by Texas where one of the tracks has a guest artist, and thus its (track) artist is listed as "Texas feat. Someone" (no, I don't remember who it was).
I'll bet good money it's this one :
It's the kind of 90s pop that knows what it is and doesn't try to be anything more : just some feel-good, relaxing music to listen to. Kind of like Roxette. I frequently find myself coming back to both Texas and Roxette. It makes all these good 90s memories come alive once again.
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@strangeways It is, indeed, that one. And yes, I agree with your assessment of Texas / Roxette. Good stuff.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@strangeways It is, indeed, that one. And yes, I agree with your assessment of Texas / Roxette. Good stuff.
Not sure I've heard Texas. I do like Roxette.
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@dcon said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@strangeways It is, indeed, that one. And yes, I agree with your assessment of Texas / Roxette. Good stuff.
Not sure I've heard Texas. I do like Roxette.
Yeah, the name doesn't ring a bell for me either, which doesn't necessarily mean much. I found this:
Didn't recognize any of the songs, though some of them seemed moderately catchy.
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@strangeways said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I frequently find myself coming back to both Texas and Roxette.
What, not this?
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@boomzilla said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
Yeah, the name doesn't ring a bell for me either, which doesn't necessarily mean much.
They’re a Scottish band that had some success, at least in Europe, ca. the early/mid 90s. A lot of it seems to have been because of the singer’s looks (at least, that’s the main thing that DJs seem to mention on the radio when they get played these days, at least on the stations I listen to), but the songs generally aren’t bad, IMHO. However, not good enough that I ever felt the need to buy one of their albums.
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@Gurth yeah, apparently they didn't make it to the stations I listened to back then enough to make an impression.
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@Gurth said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@strangeways said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I frequently find myself coming back to both Texas and Roxette.
What, not this?
He said feel-good, not feel-depressed.
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@loopback0 I think the joke is about the poster's username and the name of the album
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@hungrier Presumably but my joke is about how The Smiths are a terrible band.
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@hungrier said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@loopback0 I think the joke is about the poster's username and the name of the album
Fine joke, and a very accurate one, too, since this was the origin of the username.
@loopback0 said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
He said feel-good, not feel-depressed.
Fine joke.
@loopback0 said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@hungrier Presumably but my joke is about how The Smiths are a terrible band.
Just because they're "feel-depressed" doesn't mean they're terrible. I might be biased, though, since I listened to them a lot in my late-10s-early-20s. I don't revisit their music too often these days, but I can still remember a lot of the lyrics.
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I like to listen to game soundtracks while driving. For the longest time, I had Hardwar's in-flight music playing on any long-distance drive.
https://youtu.be/eZ1zjM3-uxU
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@acrow said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
I like to listen to game soundtracks while driving.
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@strangeways said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
Fine joke, and a very accurate one, too, since this was the origin of the username.
I was kind of hoping you hadn’t got it from the same source as the album :)
Just because they're "feel-depressed" doesn't mean they're terrible.
General opinion among music critics doesn’t quite seem to support the idea that they’re terrible either. But I suppose “<name> are a terrible band” should usually be taken to mean “I think <name> are a terrible band”. If you want to avoid a lot of pointless arguing, anyway.
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@Gurth said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
avoid a lot of pointless arguing, anyway.
Ah yes, The Garage.... Thank you for that.
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@Gurth said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
If you want to avoid a lot of pointless arguing
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@Gurth said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@boomzilla said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
Yeah, the name doesn't ring a bell for me either, which doesn't necessarily mean much.
They’re a Scottish band that had some success, at least in Europe, ca. the early/mid 90s. A lot of it seems to have been because of the singer’s looks
Roxette is Swedish.
And the thread about VLC is now about 90s European bands.
Carry on.
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@El_Heffe said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Gurth said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@boomzilla said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
Yeah, the name doesn't ring a bell for me either, which doesn't necessarily mean much.
They’re a Scottish band that had some success, at least in Europe, ca. the early/mid 90s. A lot of it seems to have been because of the singer’s looks
Roxette is Swedish.
Yes, they are. The question, however, was about the band Texas, who are Scottish.
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@Gurth Uh, no, they are English.
Filed under: who's on first
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@remi said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@Gurth Uh, no, they are English.
A search for "Texas (band)" every result says they are from Glasgow.
Now we just need a band from Texas called Scotland and our work here shall be complete.
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@remi said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
Filed under: who's on first
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@El_Heffe said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
A search for "Texas (band)" every result says they are from Glasgow.
Nope, apparently they are from California.
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@remi said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
@El_Heffe said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
A search for "Texas (band)" every result says they are from Glasgow.
Nope, apparently they are from California.
And of course, not to forget:
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I have no idea what this band is (mmm... I listen for a whole 20s of the first track, could be worse...), but the good thing with band names is that almost every bad joke you can think of has actually been used by a band at some point.
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@remi said in VLC - The new poster child for everything wrong with software development:
almost every bad joke you can think of has actually been used by a band at some point.
Yes.