Sportsball WTF
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Sports stuff that isn't important enough (hah!) to be news, quite, but not quite funny enough for Funny Stuff.
Here's a particularly ridiculous play featuring 9 (NINE!) laterals [not to mention at least 3 fumbles] to close out a high school football game in Alabama. Hillcrest-Tuscaloosa was trailing Wetumpka by a score of 30-28 with only 2.9 seconds left. What follows is pure mayhem. Enjoy.
For those of you unfamiliar with the rules of American "foot"ball, play can't start after time runs out, but if it runs out while play is in progress, play continues until stopped by a tackle, incomplete pass, running out of bounds, scoring, or whatever. So that's why the video clip is considerably longer than 2.9 seconds.
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That was absolutely hilarious and awesome at the same time.
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@HardwareGeek said in Sportsball WTF:
American "foot"ball,
Historically, the ball was 12 inches long. (Now it's slightly shorter to make forward passing easier.)
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@GuyWhoKilledBear we've been through this. The name "football" - either kind - has nothing to do with the size of balls or with the hand-touching rules.
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@djls45 they all fall into two general categories - the ones that are played with a ball, and the ones that aren't
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@Gąska Only if by "ball" you mean "sphere"; there's many different shapes that can be classified under "ball."
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@djls45 said in Sportsball WTF:
@Gąska Only if by "ball" you mean "sphere"; there's many different shapes that can be classified under "ball."
A ball is 3 dimensional, while a sphere is 2 dimensional.
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@topspin No.
A sphere is a 3d shape with a surface equidistant from its center in all spatial directions.
A circle is a 2d shape with its edge equidistant from its center in all planar directions.
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Hell, even most mathematicians don't care about that description and it is utterly confusing to any non-mathematician
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@djls45 said in Sportsball WTF:
@topspin No.
A sphere is a 3d shape with a surface equidistant from its center in all spatial directions.
A circle is a 2d shape with its edge equidistant from its center in all planar directions.a ball is the volume space bounded by a sphere; it is also called a solid sphere.
The sphere is {x | |x-c| = r}, whereas the ball is {x | |x-c| ≤ r}
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@Dragoon said in Sportsball WTF:
Hell, even most mathematicians don't care about that description and it is utterly confusing to any non-mathematician
Obviously. That (useless distinction) was what the was supposed to show.
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@HardwareGeek
TRWTF is that high school association not using a rule that fumbles can't be advanced by the offensive team at the end of the game.
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But then we wouldn't have this excellent replay.
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@izzion said in Sportsball WTF:
@HardwareGeek
TRWTF is that high school association not using a rule that fumbles can't be advanced by the offensive team at the end of the game.Why would you have that for fumbles in general? On a hook and lateral play like this, they're throwing the ball backwards.
The Holy Roller rule is only about forward fumbles. It's in place to close a loophole that allows the offense to effectively do a forward pass in situations where they're not allowed to.
But backwards laterals are allowed at any time, so advancing a fumbled lateral should be allowed as well.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Sportsball WTF:
@izzion said in Sportsball WTF:
@HardwareGeek
TRWTF is that high school association not using a rule that fumbles can't be advanced by the offensive team at the end of the game.Why would you have that for fumbles in general? On a hook and lateral play like this, they're throwing the ball backwards.
The Holy Roller rule is only about forward fumbles. It's in place to close a loophole that allows the offense to effectively do a forward pass in situations where they're not allowed to.
But backwards laterals are allowed at any time, so advancing a fumbled lateral should be allowed as well.
During the last 2 minutes of each half in the NFL (and I am not sure about overtime), a fumble may be advanced only by the playing who fumbles the ball, the ball is down where it was recovered if it went backwards and at the point of fumble if it went forwards. (this is all assuming that the fumbling team was the recovering team as well) Laterals are fine and any number of them is permissible.
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@Dragoon said in Sportsball WTF:
During the last 2 minutes of each half in the NFL
I never looked it up for hook and laterals in the NFL, but you're right. For the NFL. I'm pretty sure all the college conferences treat forward fumbles and backwards laterals differently at all times. Go figure that HS rules are closer to college than the pros.
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Oh good. Like 3 posts before it got to the tedious pedantry. Slow day, I guess.
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@loopback0 said in Sportsball WTF:
Oh good. Like 3 posts before it got to the tedious pedantry. Slow day, I guess.
I have no idea what any of these words mean (feels like I just read something about ), but wanted to be in on the thread anyway.
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@topspin said in Sportsball WTF:
a ball is the volume space bounded by a sphere; it is also called a solid sphere.
The sphere is {x | |x-c| = r}, whereas the ball is {x | |x-c| ≤ r}
I'll accept this ry, but it still conflicts with your earlier definition:
@topspin said in Sportsball WTF:
A ball is 3 dimensional, while a sphere is 2 dimensional.
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@djls45 no it doesn’t. It means a ball is a 3d volume bounded by a sphere, which is a 2d surface embedded in 3d space.
You probably misunderstood what I wrote as saying that a sphere is what you called a circle, but that’s not what I meant with “2d”.
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@topspin ...only if you are using Riemannian geometry. Euclidean geometry still says it's a 3d object, even though it's infinitely thin.
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From Wolframs:
Regardless of the choice of convention for indexing the number of dimensions of a sphere, the term "sphere" refers to the surface only, so the usual sphere is a two-dimensional surface.
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@loopback0 said in Sportsball WTF:
Oh good. Like 3 posts before it got to the tedious pedantry. Slow day, I guess.
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@boomzilla
All the skills of a cricket batsman and a soccer star, in one tiny package!
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For the futbol people:
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@djls45 said in Sportsball WTF:
A sphere is a 3d shape with a surface equidistant from its center in all spatial directions.
A circle is a 2d shape with its edge equidistant from its center in all planar directions.A circle is just a 1-sphere.
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@boomzilla
And that's why soccer is the best! Because neither Ostend or Mallines done any players to the national team.
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@boomzilla said in Sportsball WTF:
For the futbol people:
A particularly cruel referee could add a foul on top of it for touching the ball with a hand when he was laying on the ground.
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@Gąska I actually looked this up in the Laws of the Game, because I vaguely (from my rec soccer days) remembered there being a rule on this, and I kind of hoped it would be enforced.
As I remembered the rule, it went "Any time a player (other than the goalkeeper, duh) touched the ball with his hand or arm and prevented a goal from being scored, that player would automatically get a red card."
(I'm interested in the guy getting a red card because I think as few people as possible should be playing soccer at any given time. USA! USA! )
Alas, the actual rule is
A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored.
Since a player on the defending team kicked the ball into the guy's hand, that wouldn't be an appropriate place to call that penalty.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear many players had hand balls whistled for much less. Most referees are real dicks about it; even if you are in offense and a defender kicks the ball into your hand, more often than not the defender gets a free kick.
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@Gąska What an awful sport.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear at least majority of time is spent playing
Edit: on a more serious note - hand balls are surprisingly rare in practice. You get to see one every few matches at most (compare to regular fouls [physical contacts], which you get about a dozen each match). The general rule used is practice is "if your hand would end up in roughly the same spot even if your hand wasn't there, it's clean play". So the ball bouncing off your arm when you keep it tight along your torso is totally fine, but accidentally slowing down the ball with your palm when the ball flies right next to you is a foul.
In the linked video, the guy's hand prevented the ball from going out of bounds. If it wasn't immediately after such a spectacular failure and there were more players near the ball at the time, it would absolutely be whistled out.
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@Gąska said in Sportsball WTF:
@GuyWhoKilledBear at least majority of time is spent playing
Yeah, but it's spent playing soccer. Who wants to do that?
In the linked video, the guy's hand prevented the ball from going out of bounds.
Did it? It looked to me like the guy's hand was out of bounds (behind the goal line), but the ball was in bounds. The defensive player kicked the ball out of bounds (past the goal line) so that it grazed the guy's hand. It didn't look to me like the ball ever actually touched the guy's hand. Once the ball is out of play, it's not a hand ball to touch it.
Also, so you know, going frame by frame over controversial calls over the internet is an important tradition in gridiron football. If that tradition doesn't carry over to association football, my apologies.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear
In international football, the entire ball must be over the boundary line to be out of bounds. I haven’t frame but framed it, but it did look like the offensive player kept the ball in bounds for a bit longer via his hand. Of course, hand ball or goal kick is effectively the same end result, aside from some really tortured logic to justify a Hand of God red card.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Sportsball WTF:
@Gąska said in Sportsball WTF:
@GuyWhoKilledBear at least majority of time is spent playing
Yeah, but it's spent playing soccer. Who wants to do that?
Even soccer is better than cancer commercials, don't you think?
In the linked video, the guy's hand prevented the ball from going out of bounds.
Did it? It looked to me like the guy's hand was out of bounds (behind the goal line), but the ball was in bounds. The defensive player kicked the ball out of bounds (past the goal line) so that it grazed the guy's hand. It didn't look to me like the ball ever actually touched the guy's hand. Once the ball is out of play, it's not a hand ball to touch it.
If you look closely, you'll see the ball never left the bounds (also, the other defender wouldn't run to it if it was out - waste of energy). If you look even closer, you'll see it's because it touched the guy's hand.
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@Gąska said in Sportsball WTF:
If you look closely ... If you look even closer
But I'd have to look at soccer. No thanks.
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@HardwareGeek said in Sportsball WTF:
@Gąska said in Sportsball WTF:
If you look closely ... If you look even closer
But I'd have to look at soccer. No thanks.
On the other hand, I finally looked at the linked video and fail to see what's spectacular about a minute of play. Is it because it's usually played 8 seconds at a time?
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@topspin
If you get all your news through comedians it's hard to take you serious
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Sportsball WTF:
I think as few people as possible should be playing soccer at any given time. USA! USA!
Given that the USA is the reigning soccer world champion, you should want more people to play so you can chant USA! USA!
@GuyWhoKilledBear at least majority of time is spent playing
Yeah, but it's spent playing soccer. Who wants to do that?
You seem to be willing to spend time watching it and going frame by frame over it. Or is it like porn, "I was just curious?"
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@Luhmann said in Sportsball WTF:
@topspin
If you get all your news through comedians it's hard to take you seriousNot sure which "news" you're talking about.
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@topspin said in Sportsball WTF:
@Luhmann said in Sportsball WTF:
@topspin
If you get all your news through comedians it's hard to take you seriousNot sure which "news" you're talking about.
I believe none in particular. That's a stab at " vs " discussions from the .
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Sportsball WTF:
@topspin said in Sportsball WTF:
@Luhmann said in Sportsball WTF:
@topspin
If you get all your news through comedians it's hard to take you seriousNot sure which "news" you're talking about.
I believe none in particular. That's a stab at " vs " discussions from the .
comedians are probably still a better source of news than the biased commentary they have over there.
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@topspin said in Sportsball WTF:
biased commentary they have over there
I hear that can be resolved by connecting them to a DC voltage source according to their bias value
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Sportsball WTF:
@topspin said in Sportsball WTF:
biased commentary they have over there
I hear that can be resolved by connecting them to a DC voltage source according to their bias value
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Sportsball WTF:
the ball was 12 inches long
Fortunately, my balls are much smaller than that.
Also, I do not like them being kicked or thrown.
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@remi said in Sportsball WTF:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Sportsball WTF:
I think as few people as possible should be playing soccer at any given time. USA! USA!
Given that the USA is the reigning soccer world champion, you should want more people to play so you can chant USA! USA!
I actually love the concept of women's soccer. Not the soccer part, of course. I hate that.
Women's soccer exists because American athletic apparel companies (like Nike) wanted an excuse to pedal their wares to women. So they invented playing the sport at an international level from whole cloth.
That's capitalism, baby. That's the American way.
As far as what I'll chant USA! USA! over once every soccer player is ejected from every match...
@GuyWhoKilledBear at least majority of time is spent playing
Yeah, but it's spent playing soccer. Who wants to do that?
You seem to be willing to spend time watching it and going frame by frame over it. Or is it like porn, "I was just curious?"
Going frame-by-frame over the clip isn't "playing soccer" so much as it is "trolling Europeans."
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Sportsball WTF:
pedal
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Sportsball WTF:
Going frame-by-frame over the clip isn't "playing soccer" so much as it is "trolling Europeans."