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@izzion I don't understand how delaying a coordinated action by internet autists by exactly 129600 seconds does anything to combat score bombing.
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@Gąska It makes sure that if a game turns out to be shit, nobody's allowed to see until the highest period of sales is over. They were almost certainly paid to make this decision.
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@Gąska said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@izzion I don't understand how delaying a coordinated action by internet autists by exactly 129600 seconds does anything to combat score bombing.
I think it mitigates the effects of score bombing because the highest sales numbers are on day 1 of release.
@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Gąska It makes sure that if a game turns out to be shit, nobody's allowed to see until the highest period of sales is over. They were almost certainly paid to make this decision.
This is assuming critical reviews are biased. Actual score bombing is typically done by people who never played (and never will play) the game in question, but are protesting it in some way.
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@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Gąska It makes sure that if a game turns out to be shit, nobody's allowed to see until the highest period of sales is over. They were almost certainly paid to make this decision.
This is assuming critical reviews are biased.
And the problem is...?
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@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
This is assuming critical reviews are biased.
They are. Not in most cases, but in the few Metacritic is making this decision over, they are.
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@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
This is assuming critical reviews are biased.
They are. Not in most cases
Oh you naïve child.
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I doubt anyone posting a review on release day has had enough of a chance to play a game to form a coherent opinion.
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
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@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I never played it. I just know the shitposting I saw started well before anyone had played it.
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@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I never played it. I just know the shitposting I saw started well before anyone had played it.
I never played it either.
But the thing fans of the first game were upset with the drastically different narrative tone in the second game.
And the difference in the narrative tone is the kind of thing that you actually CAN see in the YouTube videos that leaked and circulated before the game's release.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I never played it. I just know the shitposting I saw started well before anyone had played it.
I never played it either.
But the thing fans of the first game were upset with the drastically different narrative tone in the second game.
And the difference in the narrative tone is the kind of thing that you actually CAN see in the YouTube videos that leaked and circulated before the game's release.
Yeah, but it is a bit of a stretch to call that a review of the game.
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@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I never played it. I just know the shitposting I saw started well before anyone had played it.
It's not that you got bad info on the game. It's that you got bad info on what people didn't like about the game. Including a trans character in a game is a perfectly sane thing to do. (You will notice that people did not review-bomb, say, Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, or Horizon: Zero Dawn.) Having a character, trans or no, brutally murder a character you had grown rather attached to, and subsequently becoming the character you play as, is not, and that does not get into the (fully mo-capped (by Druckmann himself)) later sex scene. The only people who complained about trans-ness were on the other side of the fence: there was quite a lot of screaming about how just because a female character has an extremely masculine face and build does not mean they are trans.
There is a drastic difference in the narrative tone of TLOU2 from TLOU1, as the primary writer (Amy Hennig) had been essentially pushed out by Druckmann so he could do it himself. This had occurred prior to the DLC, so Druckmann wrote the DLC too, and if you look at the user scores for the DLC they hated it then too.
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Regardless of if the game was awful or wonderful, or what its problems may or may not be, the majority of the people giving it horrible reviews on or before release day had never played, and never had any intention of playing, the game. That is how I define score bombing. Regardless of if you agree with or disagree with the practice of score bombing, I think a 36 hour waiting period before allowing reviews is a reasonable measure to mitigate the effects of said practice.
In an ideal world, they would require a user to have played the game to post a review. (E.g. ) Steam can do this; metacritic has no way of knowing this.
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@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I never played it. I just know the shitposting I saw started well before anyone had played it.
I never played it either.
But the thing fans of the first game were upset with the drastically different narrative tone in the second game.
And the difference in the narrative tone is the kind of thing that you actually CAN see in the YouTube videos that leaked and circulated before the game's release.
Yeah, but it is a bit of a stretch to call that a review of the game.
I disagree.
My review of the the first game is "The actual game mechanics are shitty and boring. The thing everyone who likes this game likes about it is the engrossing and powerful story. But I personally couldn't get engrossed in how powerful the story was because the mechanics were so boring to actually play. Maybe it's not my genre."
I'd expect that the team that made the sequel to look at TLOU1, see that it was a massive critical and commercial success, and try to hit the same balance between "The gameplay mechanics are important" and "The story is important" in TLOU2.
And when they apparently whiffed on the story in TLOU2, they made a game that makes a lot of people unhappy.
That's a reasonable thing to include in the review.
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Sorry, I was referencing basing your review of the game on youtube videos and leaked content alone and not the actual game itself.
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@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
Not in most cases
My friend was a game reviewer for over 10 years and... let's just say I stopped reading reviews after I met him.
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@Dragoon Huh? If it's clear that the game isn't as advertised, how is that not a valid thing to warn people about in a review?
And if the YouTube videos and leaked content make it clear that the game is different than advertised, why should you have to spend
$60$100 for the Collector's Edition to be allowed to point that out?
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Who needs reviews in 21st century? I remember when they were still relevant (1990s, maybe early 2000s), but by 2010 the whole "game journalism" became completely obsolete - if I wanted to know what is the game like, I just went to Steam or Metacritic and read ratings of random people.
Of course, butthurt culture war warriors need to break this by obnoxious spam informing me that the game is trash, because it hurt their precious version of political correctness. Of course, as @Gąska pointed out, pausing user reviews for 36 hours won't solve it at all (although it will solve the impact on sales, so I suppose that's what matters - cannot argue with that, obviously).
I believe the first game that I saw to get this treatment was Company of Heroes II. Bought it anyway, for the multiplayer.
At least we have Twitch these days...
Also, I don't have that much time to play. I am actually struggling to catch up to real date in Persona 5 Royal (I hope I will reach September by August).
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I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
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@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
I see. And you obviously don't have a problem with a "review" of a movie based solely on its 90-seconds advert?
Again, to concur with @Dragoon: That's not what a review is. It's even in the term itself: REview.
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@Rhywden said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
I see. And you obviously don't have a problem with a "review" of a movie based solely on its 90-seconds advert?
It kind of depends. If the film is a remake of the Wizard of Oz, and it's 90 seconds of the straw man on fire, you can probably tell that it's not a very good remake of the Wizard of Oz.
All the important parts of TLOU2 (the cutscenes) leaked AIUI.
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@Rhywden said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
I see. And you obviously don't have a problem with a "review" of a movie based solely on its 90-seconds advert?
Again, to concur with @Dragoon: That's not what a review is. It's even in the term itself: REview.
Didn't they view it?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear Again, dude: REview. It literally means: "Looking back"
You cannot do that if you haven't played the actual game yet. Thus a 36 hour embargo only makes sense.
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@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
Yes they did. And there are plenty of cases where that wouldn't be fair.
But because "the narrative" is so much more important than "the gameplay mechanics" in this particular game, the cutscenes are going to be a much more important part of a review than they would be in most games.
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@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
If rating based solely on cutscenes is a thing then MSG IV should have been the best game ever or something.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
Yes they did. And there are plenty of cases where that wouldn't be fair.
But because "the narrative" is so much more important than "the gameplay mechanics" in this particular game, the cutscenes are going to be a much more important part of a review than they would be in most games.
Ah. And the other parts? Which you just admitted are also included in an actual review?
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@Rhywden said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
Yes they did. And there are plenty of cases where that wouldn't be fair.
But because "the narrative" is so much more important than "the gameplay mechanics" in this particular game, the cutscenes are going to be a much more important part of a review than they would be in most games.
Ah. And the other parts? Which you just admitted are also included in an actual review?
I've... never denied that there are several parts to a review of a game. In most games, a good review will cover the plot, the gameplay mechanics, and the presentation (menu usability, the music, graphics, etc.)
For different games, these are important to different degrees. Sports games, for example, have no real plot, and thus their plot isn't a worthwhile thing to mention in a review at all.
TLOU2 is a sequel to a game that was super popular because of the compelling plot, much moreso than the gameplay mechanics. Because of this, it's much fairer to review TLOU2 based on its plot (which can be viewed on YouTube) than most games.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear IMO, having basically all of the significant plot in the cutscenes in the first place means it's a bad game. Total gameplay/story segregation.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear IMO, having basically all of the significant plot in the cutscenes in the first place means it's a bad game. Total gameplay/story segregation.
I wasn't a fan of the first game because of this. But it was well reviewed by "professional" critics and by the public at large.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
Yes they did. And there are plenty of cases where that wouldn't be fair.
But because "the narrative" is so much more important than "the gameplay mechanics" in this particular game, the cutscenes are going to be a much more important part of a review than they would be in most games.
Without playing the game you are assuming that the cut-scenes are still the main driving force behind the narrative. They could have moved more of it into the actual game, how would you know if you only watched the now weaker cut-scenes?
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@Rhywden said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
If rating based solely on cutscenes is a thing then MSG IV should have been the best game ever or something.
Metal Sodium Glutamate?
That's silly; everyone knows V was the best.
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@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
Yes they did. And there are plenty of cases where that wouldn't be fair.
But because "the narrative" is so much more important than "the gameplay mechanics" in this particular game, the cutscenes are going to be a much more important part of a review than they would be in most games.
Without playing the game you are assuming that the cut-scenes are still the main driving force behind the narrative. They could have moved more of it into the actual game, how would you know if you only watched the now weaker cut-scenes?
It's not that the plot is weak when it's told as a cutscene but potentially strong when told outside a cutscene.
The problems that people had were with the narrative tone of the sequel and how different it was from the narrative tone of the original. The tone should be, and usually is, the same regardless of whether plot is being conveyed in a cutscene or if it is being conveyed in-engine.
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@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
It makes sure that if a game turns out to be shit, nobody's allowed to see until the highest period of sales is over.
That's a dumb argument, because:
- No sane person cares about the Metacritic user score and even if they do, they certainly won't actually read the reviews before buying the game if they don't want to be spoilered.
- The correlation between Metacritic user scores and quality is very weak
- How likely is it that people won't find out from elsewhere, e.g. YouTube?
@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
They were almost certainly paid to make this decision.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear Problems, shmoblems. My point still stands: A review should be based on the whole and not whatever you're cherrypicking out of it just because someone did something you didn't like.
Again, you seem to ignore what that word actually means. Are you illiterate?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I have played it, and I still don't see any. There's a thread if you want to enlighten me.
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@dfdub said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I have played it, and I still don't see any. There's a thread if you want to enlighten me.
That's the problem if you base your opinion on YouTube spoilers which don't actually include the game. Weird, that.
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@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
Having a character, trans or no, brutally murder a character you had grown rather attached to [...]
The only people who complained about trans-ness were on the other side of the fence: there was quite a lot of screaming about how just because a female character has an extremely masculine face and build does not mean they are trans.The character you're talking about is not the trans character in this game. This is quite obvious if you actually play it.
If you think she is, you're blind and/or an idiot.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
Who needs reviews in 21st century? I remember when they were still relevant (1990s, maybe early 2000s), but by 2010 the whole "game journalism"
It's only at the last two words I realized I'm not in the software methodology thread.
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@Rhywden said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear Problems, shmoblems. My point still stands: A review should be based on the whole and not whatever you're cherrypicking out of it just because someone did something you didn't like.
And again, I disagree. It's possible to review part of a work, and a good review of an entire work will spend more time on the important parts than the unimportant parts.
Again, you seem to ignore what that word actually means. Are you illiterate?
They viewed it. Is it possible to review the cutscenes in a movie after having watched on YouTube? Or is that review illegitimate because you didn't watch it in a theater?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
TLOU2 is a sequel to a game that was super popular because of the compelling plot, much moreso than the gameplay mechanics. Because of this, it's much fairer to review TLOU2 based on its plot (which can be viewed on YouTube) than most games.
The problem is people didn't even review the story. They just decided the story was bad based on the fact that one character who had made a lot of enemies actually died. What a shocker.
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@dfdub said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
Having a character, trans or no, brutally murder a character you had grown rather attached to [...]
The only people who complained about trans-ness were on the other side of the fence: there was quite a lot of screaming about how just because a female character has an extremely masculine face and build does not mean they are trans.The character you're talking about is not the trans character in this game. This is quite obvious if you actually play it.
If you think she is, you're blind and/or an idiot.
I won't doubt your expert reporting. But until people were able to play it, this is what they were perceiving from the leaked footage, and all I'm discussing is the backlash spawning the review-bombing.
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@Rhywden said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@Dragoon said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I think it is a little disingenuous to call something a review of the game, when you have never actually played the game.
Didn't they?
If the problem they're pointing to is in the cutscenes (like it apparently is in TLOU2), does it matter that they watched the cutscenes on YouTube rather than an actual PS4?
So they reviewed the cut-scenes and not the game.
If rating based solely on cutscenes is a thing then MSG IV should have been the best game ever or something.
Just another effect of professional reviewers being biased.
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@dfdub said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
TLOU2 is a sequel to a game that was super popular because of the compelling plot, much moreso than the gameplay mechanics. Because of this, it's much fairer to review TLOU2 based on its plot (which can be viewed on YouTube) than most games.
The problem is people didn't even review the story. They just decided the story was bad based on the fact that one character who had made a lot of enemies actually died. What a shocker.
Well, that and the other scene.
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@dfdub said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@error said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
The instances I've seen of score bombing, people have decided they hate a game months before release. I remember reading the outrage on other web boards that, for one example, The Last of Us Part 2 had the audacity to include a trans character.
I think you got some bad info on the problems with that game.
I have played it, and I still don't see any. There's a thread if you want to enlighten me.
I'm not sure which thread you mean, but even if I did, .
I didn't play the second game because I didn't like the first game and I assumed they didn't fix the problems I had with it because it was commercially successful and all of its fans didn't care about the part I disliked.
I only posted because I got a wildly different review of the second game from fans of the first game than the one that @error posted.
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@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@dfdub said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
@pie_flavor said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
Having a character, trans or no, brutally murder a character you had grown rather attached to [...]
The only people who complained about trans-ness were on the other side of the fence: there was quite a lot of screaming about how just because a female character has an extremely masculine face and build does not mean they are trans.The character you're talking about is not the trans character in this game. This is quite obvious if you actually play it.
If you think she is, you're blind and/or an idiot.
I won't doubt your expert reporting. But until people were able to play it, this is what they were perceiving from the leaked footage, and all I'm discussing is the backlash spawning the review-bombing.
But you're arguing against the 36-hour ban. And the fact that you're misinformed about the actual contents of the game seems to be a strong argument against your position to me. Everyone is regurgitating the bullshit that was spread by the review bombers.
I'd love to read a review critical of this game from someone who actually knows what they're talking about, because there definitely are things to criticize (like the gameplay, as @GuyWhoKilledBear already mentioned), but they're impossible to find among the bullshit and ree-ing against LGBT characters.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
For different games, these are important to different degrees. Sports games, for example, have no real plot, and thus their plot isn't a worthwhile thing to mention in a review at all.
Have you played FIFA recently?
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@dfdub said in Bad reviews? Gonna hafta wait a bit...:
I'd love to read a review critical of this game from someone who actually knows what they're talking about
The problem with critical reviews of video games is that they're by definition done by professional critics.
Find me a professional video game reviewer who actually knows what they're talking about.
Hell, find me one who's professional.