Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
There was a commentary in the same newspaper today saying we should really stop panicking because there is all of 27 serious cases hospitalized currently while some 1500–2000 people die of flu every year in Czech and nobody panics about that.
Smaller population, I know, but for comparison with Germany:
We currently have 1600 people in ICU and 110 deaths per day. (Still much lower than the peak of ~1000/day in winter '20/'21)Only ~8 times smaller population, while 1600 to 27 approaching two orders of magnitude. Either Germany is seriously overusing ICU, overreporting covid as cause, Czechia underreporting covid as cause, or the masks (that we don't wear in Czechia any more for quite a while) are doing a big difference. Or maybe it's the vaccination rate as that map suggests.
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@Bulb might just be the peak of current wave.
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
In other words, we'd need a completely new transmitting animal to work with, because the usual suspects have a rock-solid alibi.
Not too mention an explanation for the DNA sequences that are commonly engineered but not seen in nature.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We currently have 1600 people in ICU and 110 deaths per day.
All confirmed to be dying of COVID-19? (As opposed to dying of some other illness and testing positive for COVID-19 after hospital admission.)
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@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
or the masks (that we don't wear in Czechia any more for quite a while) are doing a big difference.
I'd like to note that in Germany, masks are required only in public transport. Otherwise the situation is pretty much the same.
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We currently have 1600 people in ICU and 110 deaths per day.
All confirmed to be dying of COVID-19? (As opposed to dying of some other illness and testing positive for COVID-19 after hospital admission.)
DIdn't investigate, only some numbers randomly grabbed from a newspaper. Presumably people with actual respiratory problems and not people who died in a car crash, but also no strict separation of root cause, which would be lower.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
We currently have 1600 people in ICU and 110 deaths per day.
All confirmed to be dying of COVID-19? (As opposed to dying of some other illness and testing positive for COVID-19 after hospital admission.)
DIdn't investigate, only some numbers randomly grabbed from a newspaper. Presumably people with actual respiratory problems and not people who died in a car crash, but also no strict separation of root cause, which would be lower.
Fear mongering around here continues, with apocalyptic news like "we have over 1800 covid positive people in hospitals". Scary stuff indeed.
Yesterday some physician ("expert" of course) commented on that, and it seems the newspaper didn't crop his statement correctly : "[...] Main symptoms among those patients are fatigue, fever and throat ache".Hmm, so how come they are in a hospital? Not a particularly hard puzzle.
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In Germany, there are currently waves of other respiratory diseases, i.e. caused by different kinds of viruses. Infections with those viruses were well reduced due to covid interventions, and now they take their chance.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wake me up when we reach Covid XP
(I definitely don't want to catch Vista)Given that long Covid and ME seem closely related...
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All patients presented with severe COVID-19 infection with most requiring mechanical ventilation due to severe hypoxia. After treatment with the protocol including hydroxyurea, all case study patients improved, mechanical ventilation was removed, and patients were discharged to a rehabilitation facility which was the hospital’s goal for patients presenting with severe illness.
Since the original nine patients included in these clinical summaries were treated, an additional 46 patients have been treated using the same protocol bringing the total number of patients treated with the hydroxyurea protocol to 55. Again, all 55 patients were suffering from severe COVID-19 and had failed to respond to other treatments. Out of the 55 patients seen to date as of April 2021, 47 have made a full recovery and reverted back to pre-COVID respiratory status and eight failed to recover.
55 patients who were really in the shit. 47 of them recovered after treatment with a dirt cheap drug, hydroxyurea. This study happened over a year ago, and despite the incredible success with this group, larger trials evidently weren't done.
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@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
after treatment with a dirt cheap drug
: Nope, can't be allowing that. Can't get my bonus if we don't rake in the cash...
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So we can not make such a fuss about it for now then?
Right?
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@loopback0 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So we can not make such a fuss about it for now then?
Don't worry, they will find something else to make a fuss about.
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@antiquarian said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@loopback0 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So we can not make such a fuss about it for now then?
Don't worry, they will find something else to make a fuss about.
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@antiquarian said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@loopback0 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So we can not make such a fuss about it for now then?
Don't worry, they will find something else to make a fuss about.
Already did. W.H.O. declared Monkey Pox a world-threatening emergency.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wuhan shuts down district of 1 million people over 4 Covid cases
I just glossed over the headline and read it as "Covid 4" cases.
Wake me up when we reach Covid XP
(I definitely don't want to catch Vista)Was ME before or after XP?
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Wake me up when we reach Covid XP
(I definitely don't want to catch Vista)Given that long Covid and ME seem closely related...
Dammit ed.
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Was ME before or after XP?
Before XP. After Bob. It was cursed.
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@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Seems like they figured out it's a good way to keep him away from the press to reduce the leaks of senility powered dumbs.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Was ME before or after XP?
Before XP. After Bob. It was cursed.
More specifically, it was the last cursed child of the 3.1/3.11/95/98 line.
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@Bulb and miraculously much more unstable than 98.
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@topspin Hm, I hadn't actually had the pleasure. The university mostly upgraded from 3.11 straight to NT and I switched from 95 to Linux.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Bulb and miraculously much more unstable than 98.
The funny thing is that I remember 98 being the stable system, after 95 (then again, I didn't have much contact with 95, as I still used DOS throughout that period).
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Bulb and miraculously much more unstable than 98.
The funny thing is that I remember 98 being the stable system, after 95 (then again, I didn't have much contact with 95, as I still used DOS throughout that period).
True, 98, especially SE, was quite stable.
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@MrL It was around that time that the whole every other version of Windows meme started, as I recall. So: 3.1 pretty bad, 3.11 good; 95 bad; 98 good; ME bad, 2000 pretty good; XP good (ME and 2000 coming out around the same time, representing different lineages confused matters); Vista bad; 7 good; 8 bad; 10 pretty good.
Anyone got any thoughts on 11?
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Anyone got any thoughts on 11?
My thoughts is that when ms forces it on me I will instead move my gaming computer to Linux as well. I've been planning to do that for a while, just never got around to it because of all the annoying stuff.
As far as how it works, fine i guess? I don't like all the spyware though.
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
My thoughts is that when ms forces it on me I will instead move my gaming computer to Linux as well.
Or you could take the Yuuuge Brain approach of having a PC that doesn't meet the requirements (which is still a pretty decent machine, just on the older side).
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
My thoughts is that when ms forces it on me I will instead move my gaming computer to Linux as well.
Or you could take the Yuuuge Brain approach of having a PC that doesn't meet the requirements (which is still a pretty decent machine, just on the older side).
It doesn't meet the current requirements, but I'm pretty sure it'll be rolled out on my machine sooner or later anyway.
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Or you could take the Yuuuge Brain approach of having a PC that doesn't meet the requirements (which is still a pretty decent machine, just on the older side).
To "not meet requirements" you only need to turn off Secure Boot. Which I did anyway to dual boot Ubuntu. Unexpected side benefits to Linux.
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Bulb and miraculously much more unstable than 98.
The funny thing is that I remember 98 being the stable system, after 95 (then again, I didn't have much contact with 95, as I still used DOS throughout that period).
It depended a lot on what hardware you had; crappy drivers were one of the absolute banes of stability (though the whole system wasn't noted for crash resistance at any time from DOS 1 through to WinME).
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
To "not meet requirements" you only need to turn off Secure Boot.
This machine doesn't have a TPM (I built it from components before TPMs were common), so MS doesn't offer me the "upgrade" to 11. Win-win (for now).
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It depended a lot on what hardware you had; crappy drivers were one of the absolute banes of stability (though the whole system wasn't noted for crash resistance at any time from DOS 1 through to WinME).
Honestly, in my time of being the go-to computer wizard in my social group (this being when a lot of the normies started to get their first PCs, 'coz they started to be indispensible) I'd come to the conclusion that system instability was overwhelmingly caused by one of:
- Didn't think before installing,
- Didn't think before uninstalling.
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It depended a lot on what hardware you had; crappy drivers were one of the absolute banes of stability (though the whole system wasn't noted for crash resistance at any time from DOS 1 through to WinME).
Honestly, in my time of being the go-to computer wizard in my social group (this being when a lot of the normies started to get their first PCs, 'coz they started to be indispensible) I'd come to the conclusion that system instability was overwhelmingly caused by one of:
- Didn't think before installing,
- Didn't think before uninstalling.
Only one?
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It depended a lot on what hardware you had; crappy drivers were one of the absolute banes of stability (though the whole system wasn't noted for crash resistance at any time from DOS 1 through to WinME).
Honestly, in my time of being the go-to computer wizard in my social group (this being when a lot of the normies started to get their first PCs, 'coz they started to be indispensible) I'd come to the conclusion that system instability was overwhelmingly caused by one of:
- Didn't think before installing,
- Didn't think before uninstalling.
True. I ran 95 and 98/SE for years with no problems, while installing tons of weird RE tools, softICE, experimenting with viruses, but also playing a lot of games, etc. During all that time I routinely heard from different people "I have to reinstall my system every month, because it becomes so slow and unstable, windows sucks lol". My reaction to such things was always "what in the everloving fuck are you doing with your computer?!?!".
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
My reaction to such things was always "what in the everloving fuck are you doing with your computer?!?!".
Punching the monkey.
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Anyone got any thoughts on 11?
Until they allow me to put the taskbar on the left,
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
My reaction to such things was always "what in the everloving fuck are you doing with your computer?!?!".
Terrible, terrible things...
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Anyone got any thoughts on 11?
It's could just have been another 10 feature update. There's nothing to make it significantly more or less bad than 10.
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@LaoC said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The article has no mention of differences in population age structure. Considering the chances of dying of Covid correlate sharply with old age, I'd say that's an important thing to compensate for. I'd check their reference studies, but no link is provided.
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@acrow I'd say the important thing is that the graph in the very article doesn't even support the conclusion, but that's garage territory, so that's all I'm going to say about it.
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@Applied-Mediocrity Oh. I didn't even notice there was a graph; I had NoScript on. It's the only element of the article that needs javascript for some reason.
And looking at it now, you seem to be correct. Whoever wrote the article probably looked at the last couple of weeks, and didn't notice the graph history.
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Applied-Mediocrity Oh. I didn't even notice there was a graph; I had NoScript on. It's the only element of the article that needs javascript for some reason.
And looking at it now, you seem to be correct. Whoever wrote the article probably looked at the last couple of weeks, and didn't notice the graph history.
Standard journalistic practice, but especially egregious in COVID times. For example, when there's a wave going on in one region, other regions get praise (in selective, motivated ways). When the momentum swaps though you don't necessarily get the same
shirtssorts of stories, depending on what narratives the writer is interested in.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
you don't necessarily get the same shirts of stories
That's probably good; stories make rather insubstantial shirts.
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@HardwareGeek said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
you don't necessarily get the same shirts of stories
That's probably good; stories make rather insubstantial shirts.
But having the same shirt could lead to some good stories...
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Applied-Mediocrity Oh. I didn't even notice there was a graph; I had NoScript on. It's the only element of the article that needs javascript for some reason.
And looking at it now, you seem to be correct. Whoever wrote the article probably looked at the last couple of weeks, and didn't notice the graph history.
I also didn't have JS on, but now that you mention it: they don't really have a good international comparison there. The Jan-22 wave in the US peaked at 12.4. AU and NZ had their strict lockdowns.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@acrow I'd say the important thing is that the graph in the very article doesn't even support the conclusion, but that's garage territory, so that's all I'm going to say about it.
I did see, already back after the first wave, an article also claiming that the countries with culture that value community more were better off than the ones that are more individualist. And I would believe that article (in pop-sci magazine; not in English, unfortunately) did have the statistics at least mostly right.
But going from there to the masks specifically is a long shot. If the people are, on average, more considerate and don't go in pubs, cinemas, temples and the like when not feeling well, and are more likely to call in sick to work when appropriate, that is likely to make a difference even if the masks don't. The article even seems to acknowledge that, but then goes on a long rant about masks anyway.
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@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The article even seems to acknowledge that, but then goes on a long rant about masks anyway.
People like to believe that they can have power over events.