Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@izzion said in In other news today...:
called Deepin
Tried it. It failed to boot when I tried it. Maybe something's changed in the last year?
So it looks like when I tried Deepin it was version
deepin 2013 "raring" - Release i386 (20131210)
, clocked in at 1.18 gigs for the ISO.Now it's version 15.11 (because version 20 isn't actually available yet).
Starting the installer works!
Let's go...
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I always chuckle that virtualization can be so easily detected. So much scare about how viruses and whatever could completely ensconce your machine inside a hypervisor and you can't tell. This warning puts my fears to rest.
Starting strong! Apparently smol screens are not tested on here.
Oh, right. Linux. Usually installers will ask you for your "real name" and auto-make a username from that. Kinda surprised it's not hiding that in any way.
Simple, easy, maybe I'll try it on a preinstalled OS and see how it reacts...
I definitely want to avoid data lo.
I'm enjoying this slideshow though.
Coffee break begins now!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
Coffee break begins now!
Coffee break end! Fucking terrible, I remember why I hate coffee again...
Anyways, for those of you playing at home, that's been 20 minutes. DVD Drives are still slow, ya know?
Now, I'm ready to experience incredible pleasure!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
experience
Well, it was truthful, doesn't greet me with a "nice name".
Funny, the installed boot loader used a higher resolution.You told me I'd get incredible pleasure, I WANT INCREDIBLE PLEASURE!!!
I wasn't paying attention but apparently there's this video playing. I guess?
"Windows, or Mac?"
I guess they mean "Enable transparency and shadows?"
... ... ... am I blind, or is there literally no difference between "deepin" and "deepin-dark"?
And now I'm dumped out of the Welcome Wizard, such as it was.
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@Tsaukpaetra
Have you posted the same screenshot twice or did it end like it begon?
In the first case: it couldn't have been real coffee, you Nescafe user
In the second case:
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@Luhmann said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
Have you posted the same screenshot twice or did it end like it begon?
Seems so. Apparently when Chrome crashed when I was taking a screenshot of the end screen it failed and I wasn't paying attention.
It basically said "Click here to start the experience" or whatever.
@Luhmann said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
In the first case: it couldn't have been real coffee, you Nescafe user
Fuck Nescafe. Fuck coffee. Fuck you for assuming I use.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
such as it was.
So first order of business is get a bigger screen.
Huh, not so bad. Good thing I knew what I was looking for. Apparently the Control Panel is just a ginormous scrolling list of things.
Interesting... Why offer an option limited to China when I told you I was anywhere but?
Hey guys! Remember when computers made a bunch of noise when they were turned on?
First task: Check for updates!
Sweeeeet!
Grabbing another coffee...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
Grabbing another coffee...
Liar
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@Luhmann said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
Grabbing another coffee...
Liar
True. But, it's a good lie.
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@Tsaukpaetra
It would be rather silly to have imagined bad coffee
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@Luhmann said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra
It would be rather silly to have imagined bad coffeeYou think?
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@Tsaukpaetra
Sorry, forgot who I was talking to
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
I always chuckle that virtualization can be so easily detected. So much scare about how viruses and whatever could completely ensconce your machine inside a hypervisor and you can't tell. This warning puts my fears to rest.
What they mean (pick yours):
- We don't have tuned virtualization drivers available yet. Please don't evaluate us on that.
- Government tracking would like to know your real MAC address please.
- We had to turn all the document watermarking off, since you're obviously a security researcher out to get us. The People's party will never yield!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
Grabbing another coffee...
Well well, only four minutes.
Still needs a reboot though, and I magically obtained some Desktop icons! Sweeet!
Oh, by the way, 14 second cold boot on my SSD. Also, curiously, the logon desktop uses the default tiny resolution.
Anyways, let's play with the new shineys!
Yes, uh huh, I agree that my second-born-and-on shall be remitted to the State in perpetuity, whatever. No, there is no way to get the English (US) version from this screen. Apparently i18n is too hard for Jinshan Office Software.
Looks like they got tabbed-documents going before Microsoft did. Good for them?
Seems familiar enough I suppose.
Chrome seems to work, no worries there. Yes, that's my IP address. What, you didn't resolve tsaukpaetra.com beforehand? Shame.
@acrow said > We don't have tuned virtualization drivers available yet. Please don't evaluate us on that.
Hey, whatdya know?
Still not waiting for future version though.
Appstore seems reasonable enough. Did you know that Deepin Repair is made by
appdeveloper
?Well, fuck. Apparently no dev tools here. Guess I gotta install Synaptic-whatsis to get the true app store....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
true app store....
Let the command do anything!
Hey, at least you can recommend an app to add into the store?
Waaaiiiittt.... Is there such thing as Android App support in Deepin?!?!?
Nothing about it in the
Manual
App, but I was reading the Cloud Scan app and apparently it's... a Windows-needed program?Anyways, enough jerking off, let's install Steam!
Apparently I've got broken dependencies? What does this mean? Should I try to continue anyways? Linux for the Desktop, guys!
Well... fuck. Let's research!
.... Alright, let's blindly follow this entity's instructions...
Seems... to have... worked?
Nope. Well, whatever. Installed it after
apt-get update
(seems I forgot to do that. Why doesn't it prompt me? "Oh, you've never done installed anything and the repo database is empty. Wanna get that real quick so you'll actually have a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting what you wanted done done?"Launching Steam and a itty window (not the System's UI) prompts me...
Sure. Why not.
Apparently it forgot to add
-y
or something.I see Steam is not using the system font in any way. No dithering or whatever either.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
I see Steam is not using the system font in any way. No dithering or whatever either.
At least it looks a little better when Steam has actually launched.
... Whoa, that was a really fast download! What the hell?
Well, shit. At least I now have a linux-like to test WTF I did with Steam and it not including the files that are for-sure in the depot! :SMDH.png:
Huh, I don't remember buying Beat Saber. And it's playable on Desktop? Fancy that! Oughta be interesting considering it's entirely based on spatial positioning physics of two hand-controlled bars...
Let's see if this is all it's cracked up to be!
Oh? Oh???
No, it's dead. What did I expect, not having an actual graphics card?
And also, no, it does not work in Desktop mode (tried it on my actual PC).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
enough jerking off,
: i_dont_believe_it:
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Doesn’t even look bad for an iOS clone. Oh wait, this is a desktop OS? Oh well.
Ah, I see, the shiny polish doesn’t run particularly deep. You’re already fucking withapt
.Side : it’s called anti-aliasing. Dithering, in this millennium, would be .
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@Tsaukpaetra the difference between deepin and deepin-dark is likely the color of the systray icons, for dark themes or light themes
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@Tsaukpaetra did u try installing whatever vmware calls their guest drivers? the ones for ubuntu should work just fine
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@Tsaukpaetra yeah that dependency blunder is deepin's fault, most system's automatically update their package listings regularly when they check for updates, dunno how deepin can check for updates without doing that
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@Tsaukpaetra steam play needs vulkan support to use dxvk, without graphics drivers installed and running that won't ever work and i'm not sure vmware supports vulkan
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra the difference between deepin and deepin-dark is likely the color of the systray icons, for dark themes or light themes
And I was hoping for darknet support already
I read deepin was conceived in 2004 as "hiweed". @Tsaukpaetra, check the PID of
init
, it's probably 420.
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@ask_compu
Hey, come on now, this is a thread lampooning the operating system. We don’t need Chinese bots in here telling us how to make it work and extolling the Motherland’s greatest achievement j/k
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@izzion but this is a steam thing independent of the OS >.>
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@Tsaukpaetra i'm also surprised curl isn't just preinstalled tbh, it's a pretty common tool
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
most system's automatically update their package listings regularly when they check for updates, dunno how deepin can check for updates without doing that
Last I knew, apt has never done that. You've always had to run
apt update
before doing pretty much anything, including installing updates.
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@Erufael apt itself doesn't, other parts of the system trigger it to, in ubuntu based distros theres an automatic update function that does that and by default also automatically installs security critical updates in the background
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So, tldr seems to be that it's a Chinese government monitoring system, with the kind of quality control that China is known for. Go out and replace your working OS with this for sure
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@topspin said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
Side : it’s called anti-aliasing. Dithering, in this millennium, would be .
ry accepted. I couldn't retrieve the more accurate word.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra the difference between deepin and deepin-dark is likely the color of the systray icons, for dark themes or light themes
In reality, the icons really are the same, just that the theme package they go in (which isn't applied on that screen) is the one that's light/dark.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra did u try installing whatever vmware calls their guest drivers? the ones for ubuntu should work just fine
I've always had hit-or-miss with that. Let's give it a go, shall we?
Words happened?
Got this far and....
Yeah, Unity just crashed with no feedback whatsoever, and Steam thinks it's still running.
Graphics things require a real graphics card I guess.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra yeah that dependency blunder is deepin's fault, most system's automatically update their package listings regularly when they check for updates, dunno how deepin can check for updates without doing that
I think it's not actually using apt, but its own little Appstore service.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra steam play needs vulkan support to use dxvk, without graphics drivers installed and running that won't ever work and i'm not sure vmware supports vulkan
'm usin VirtualBox and no, it's not supported anyways. You can ignore the "3d acceleration" checkbox in the settings: it doesn't work anyways.
@LaoC said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
I read deepin was conceived in 2004 as "hiweed". @Tsaukpaetra, check the PID of
init
, it's probably 420.Response: No.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra i'm also surprised curl isn't just preinstalled tbh, it's a pretty common tool
They had to save 1.7 MB off their 2.3 GB install image.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
in ubuntu based distros
Ah, see, this isn't an Ubuntu-based distro.
@hungrier said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
So, tldr seems to be that it's a Chinese government monitoring system, with the kind of quality control that China is known for. Go out and replace your working OS with this for sure
Definitely!
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@Tsaukpaetra it's using apt as a backend, the store is just a frontend to apt, possibly with a limited selection of packages, the updater will still use apt tho
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@Tsaukpaetra it's not ubuntu based, it's debian stable based, which is what ubuntu is based on
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@Tsaukpaetra try zorin os?
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra it's using apt as a backend, the store is just a frontend to apt, possibly with a limited selection of packages, the updater will still use apt tho
Obviously not.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra it's not ubuntu based, it's debian stable based, which is what ubuntu is based on
Someone else in the forum will probably pop in and give proper mathematical terms, but just because something has a common ancestor, doesn't mean the two will share all the same features.
I.e., I shouldn't expect a feature present in Ubuntu to be present in Deepin.
@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra try zorin os?
Has it improved since 8/17/2018?
Maybe later, maybe another thread.
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@Tsaukpaetra in order for it to update system things like kernel security patches the updater would have to use apt as a backend
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra in order for it to update system things like kernel security patches the updater would have to use apt as a backend
You should submit a PR request telling them to run
apt-update
when checking for updates then. Because obviously it doesn't, evidence .
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@Tsaukpaetra obviously, it likely just runs
apt upgrade
orapt dist-upgrade
, which if that's the case it's super dumb because it would never check for updates and would always show that there's no updates unless u manually runapt update
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra obviously, it likely just runs
apt upgrade
orapt dist-upgrade
, which if that's the case it's super dumb because it would never check for updates and would always show that there's no updates unless u manually runapt update
Not my problem.
And it clearly did show there were updates, evidence also
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@Tsaukpaetra yeah it would for the first run because the outdated package listings would still show some updates on a new install
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra yeah it would for the first run because the outdated package listings would still show some updates on a new install
Why would the packagers produce an installation images with outdated packages, but with an updated repo database?
That sounds suspiciously like unnecessary (and extra) effort, and I find such capricious action unlikely, even for Linux devs.
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@Tsaukpaetra i have no idea, ubuntu based distros usually give an option to update while installing the OS
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra i have no idea, ubuntu based distros usually give an option to update while installing the OS
And, as I said, you cannot assume that a distribution that's NOT BASED ON UBUNTU to behave as Ubuntu.
Please pay attention.
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@Tsaukpaetra i know that, but apt is still being used here and the people making a distro that uses apt should know that it's package databases have to be updated regularly
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra i know that, but apt is still being used here and the people making a distro that uses apt should know that it's package databases have to be updated regularly
As I said, PRs are probably accepted.
Filed under: Everyone watch as @ask_compu starts to feel the WTF
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@Tsaukpaetra meh not motivated enough to bother, that distro has too much bloat anyways, check it's RAM usage at idle
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Status: Now that the VirtualBox Guest Additions are installed, it's apparently impossible to gracefully shutdown the VM. It's been stuck at the logo for ten minutes now...
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@Tsaukpaetra i thought it was vmware
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra meh not motivated enough to bother, that distro has too much bloat anyways, check it's RAM usage at idle
But it's the distro that will blow Windows and MacOS out of the water next year!
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@ask_compu said in Linux: Let's try Deepin, the Linux Desktop that will Embarrass Windows 10 and macOS in 2020....:
@Tsaukpaetra i thought it was vmware
Nope. Never said that anywhere.
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@Tsaukpaetra zorin os is more capable of that imo