Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!)
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@Zerosquare yeah, that's a big part of it. It also can vary by state / jurisdiction here, but even California's judges ruled in favor of Uber, so they made some laws about "gig" type stuff which is hugely controversial.
It impacts freelance writers, truckers, all sorts of people.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Isn't that setting yourself up as the sole arbiter of The Truth?
@Rhywden isn't the one who made the laws or regulations, and also isn't deciding "everybody except Uber needs to follow them". The laws are made by the legislative and the courts have, repeatedly, told Uber they have to follow them like everybody else if they want to operate.
I don't think that the other companies should have to follow inane rules either.
Specifically, are the rules set up so that Uber can't follow them? That was a thing that happened here in the US in several locations, and Uber went through the courts to have those laws declared invalid. When they brag about being "disruptors," that's what they meean.
I'm pretty sure nobody would give a single shit if you argued for changing some regulations (which I find dubious, because y'all had argued that Uber shouldn't have to follow "inane regulations" without even caring which regulations they don't follow).
I was pretty specific about what regulations I thought were dumb. Do you know why car service cars like Uber are supposed to need to go back to their dispatch point in between trips?
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
but I wouldn't consider that to be a taxi service
What is a taxi service, then?
Honestly? It's a service that operates taxis.
A taxi is a car with a distinctive livery that drives around looking for people who are giving a pre-arranged signal to hail them. Once hailed, the taxi driver pulls the car over and the passenger gets in and is transported to their destination for a fee. The distinctive livery on the car and the hailing cars just driving around are the key elements that makes a service a taxi service. Note that the distinctive livery makes it unlikely that a taxi driver would use a taxi as their personal car.
By contrast, a car service schedules cars. You contact a scheduling office (traditionally by telephone) and tell them a starting location, a time in the future, and a destination. The scheduling office sends one of their cars to the starting location at the appointed time. The car doesn't need a special livery and you don't need to hail it because it's pre-scheduled and you're expecting it. Because there's no need for a distinctive livery, there's no reason for a car service car to not be an otherwise-personal car.
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
There's different customer expectations between a taxi and a car service, but ultimately you're paying a guy to drive you from one location to another. Why should the government demand those two things be regulated differently?
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Zerosquare yeah, that's a big part of it. It also can vary by state / jurisdiction here, but even California's judges ruled in favor of Uber, so they made some laws about "gig" type stuff which is hugely controversial.
It impacts freelance writers, truckers, all sorts of people.
Also, they forced a change to that law (by referendum, I think) where car service drivers are exempt from it even though the rest of the gig economy is not.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
And the argument "we are not a taxi service because app" is a bullshit way to try to not follow the regulations.
There's different customer expectations between a taxi and a car service, but ultimately you're paying a guy to drive you from one location to another. Why should the government demand those two things be regulated differently?
You realize it's Uber (and @boomzilla) going with the "we're not a taxi service, so we don't have to follow the taxi regulations" argument, right?
Which one is it, now?
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Which ones in particular? That you need to have insurance that will actually pay when you're doing commercial transportation?
Eh, that seems reasonable on its face. Are the drivers really uninsured? I can't recall what the insurance situation was when my wife was driving for Uber. I know our state made us register it differently. We had different color stickers for the license plate.
Maybe fine the drivers for not having insurance?
Yeah, that's another German-specific thing: the bureaucracy focuses primarily on the big businesses and is quite slow and somewhat lenient for "common people". IMHO it's because the courts have tendency to agree with a defense on the lines of "it's not fair, I could not have possibly understood the legal implications" (especially when a corporation with army of lawyers is involved). Which in this case means that Uber is expected to be the responsible part.
In a country with Austro-French system (which is designed to make
peasant'scitizen's life miserable), the Uber drivers were (and probably still are) fined. Insurance (not relevant everywhere). Income tax. VAT. Local tax. Road tax (common model: road tax is not paid by private persons, just by businesses).
Which, of course, causes a public outcry and brings attention of politicians...This whole thread is quite messy because there are two very different kind of regulations that Uber has problem with:
- The local ordinances, usually a result of semi-failed battle with straight-out crime mob (or a direct product of corruption).
- Extra duties and privileges of a business entity (like self-employed person) in comparison to a "random schmuck" - primarily taxes, insurances, etc.
The first one is definitely something that has to go, and it's a good thing that Uber came and disrupted the whole business. As few of us already mentioned in some way or another, the whole mechanism actually solves the main reasons why the traditional, physical model always converges towards crime mob.
The second one is just a bullshit and cannot be considered disruptive or even innovative since at least ancient Rome.
And Uber tries both, depending on country (or even state). So yes, any generic debate is going to go nowhere.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Well, you laugh at me for complaining about them not paying their taxes when everybody else is supposed to, basically lauding them for stealing from the public. So I don't see why, in return, anybody should care if they steal from you.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious that you think avoiding taxes is stealing, and that's where your confusion comes from.
And I'm not laughing at you. Just at bankrupting taxis.
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On either side of the debate, I don't think anyone here likes the traditional taxi business model.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Right now I'm just mocking you guys for having some silly government regulations and then blindly going along with them because They Are The Rules.
Maybe you should take that to the Garage then.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
And the argument "we are not a taxi service because app" is a bullshit way to try to not follow the regulations.
Yes, don't we usually mock services because of the "...but on a computer!" argument?
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The first one is definitely something that has to go, and it's a good thing that Uber came and disrupted the whole business. As few of us already mentioned in some way or another, the whole mechanism actually solves the main reasons why the traditional, physical model always converges towards crime mob.
The thing is: We didn't have that and we still don't have that. Uber, at least in Germany, is trying to muscle into a market where there's no real need to be "disruptive".
That's why Walmart also crashed and burned when it tried to enter the German market.
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@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Right now I'm just mocking you guys for having some silly government regulations and then blindly going along with them because They Are The Rules.
Maybe you should take that to the Garage then.
As soon as you can explain why that's also what car services have to do legally but taxis don't.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
And the argument "we are not a taxi service because app" is a bullshit way to try to not follow the regulations.
Huh? Hail-by-contacting-the-central-office-using-a-telephone versus hail-by-hailing is the central difference between a car service and a taxi service.
There's different customer expectations between a taxi and a car service, but ultimately you're paying a guy to drive you from one location to another. Why should the government demand those two things be regulated differently?
You realize it's Uber (and @boomzilla) going with the "we're not a taxi service, so we don't have to follow the taxi regulations" argument, right?
Which one is it, now?The problem is that Germany's laws about car services are set up to protect taxis and taxi owners.
My suspicion is that the reason that German car service cars need to go back to the Central Office between jobs is so they can't bring someone from the residential district to the airport and then wait at the airport for a fare that needs to go to the residential district, then take another fare in that residential district and bring them to the airport and so on.
That kind of routing, which around here is the most lucrative route for a taxi or car service, is reserved for taxis because the German government is artificially protecting taxis.
If you've got a better reason for "car service cars need to return to the Central Office between fares but taxis don't, I'd love to hear it."
Uber's business model (hail-by-app, contracted drivers, cars owned by contractors) doesn't fit cleanly into either the German regulations about taxis or car services. But there's no reason the business model shouldn't be legal, so maybe the problem is with the laws.
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@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
And the argument "we are not a taxi service because app" is a bullshit way to try to not follow the regulations.
Yes, don't we usually mock services because of the "...but on a computer!" argument?
Can you even get an Uber on a computer?
As far as I know, you need to use an app on your telephone to get an Uber. To get a traditional car service car, you normally need to call the Central Office on your telephone.
The point isn't that you're using an app. The point is that you're scheduling with the Central Office to have a car sent directly for you.
With a taxi, you see a taxi driving around on the street and you stick your finger in the air and you yell TAXI! and hope they hear you.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear as I mentioned the UK differentiates between “taxis that get routed by the company as ‘prior bookings’” vs “taxis you can just get into on the street”, which I believe is for insurance reasons, but also they’re differentiated in a way that if you get into a “just sat there on the rank” taxi, the price you pay is metered and fixed (unlike Uber) and the drivers are certified above a certain standard on local knowledge.
Or at least were. I don’t know if that’s still true, but certainly not all cab drivers here are equal. Even the not Uber ones.
In our case there is no restriction on efficient routing as far as I know.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Right now I'm just mocking you guys for having some silly government regulations and then blindly going along with them because They Are The Rules.
Maybe you should take that to the Garage then.
As soon as you can explain why that's also what car services have to do legally but taxis don't.
Naw, I don't feel like responding to your posts in this thread anymore. Because you're not asking questions you want an answer to, you already have an opinion and just want to insult us some more.
As evidenced by your constant claims of "inanity". That's not the behaviour of someone wanting answers.
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@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Right now I'm just mocking you guys for having some silly government regulations and then blindly going along with them because They Are The Rules.
Maybe you should take that to the Garage then.
As soon as you can explain why that's also what car services have to do legally but taxis don't.
Naw, I don't feel like responding to your posts in this thread anymore.
Yes, I understand that you have no good responses to give.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
And the argument "we are not a taxi service because app" is a bullshit way to try to not follow the regulations.
Yes, don't we usually mock services because of the "...but on a computer!" argument?
Can you even get an Uber on a computer?
A mobile is a computer.
The point is that you're scheduling with the Central Office to have a car sent directly for you
Yes, like a taxi. I see you've never been to Germany.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Right now I'm just mocking you guys for having some silly government regulations and then blindly going along with them because They Are The Rules.
Maybe you should take that to the Garage then.
As soon as you can explain why that's also what car services have to do legally but taxis don't.
Naw, I don't feel like responding to your posts in this thread anymore.
Yes, I understand that you have no good responses to give.
No, I simply won't bother with your trolling anymore. Bye felicia.
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@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Right now I'm just mocking you guys for having some silly government regulations and then blindly going along with them because They Are The Rules.
Maybe you should take that to the Garage then.
As soon as you can explain why that's also what car services have to do legally but taxis don't.
Naw, I don't feel like responding to your posts in this thread anymore.
Yes, I understand that you have no good responses to give.
No, I simply won't bother with your trolling anymore. Bye felicia.
Right. Because the regulation is obviously inane.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Was it actually planned to have three lanes in every direction
If you're talking about outside the civic core, then probably yes, though it might have involved pulling down buildings to make it happen. It's fascinating to look at old photographs of US cities and compare with the same street/area in a modern photo. Much of US city layout really post-dates the widespread adoption of motor vehicles, and for a long time the US dogma for such design has been "keep things efficient for cars". Hugely wide streets and massive parking lots follow from that.
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@Arantor said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Please tell me about the importance of going back to the office.
because a) shitty managers have no better way to micromanage or rule their workers except by fear in close proximity and b) office buildings don't buy themselves and someone has to pay for it and we can't possibly let the poor starving landlords be poor and starving.
I think you've misread that, and talked about the general "why do we get the peons back into their cubicles" and not why specifically it's a rule in Germany for some types of taxi service. That's probably more about trying to enforce a difference between the types of taxi service (between those that can be hailed directly in the street and those that have to be booked), and it seems a silly rule to me, just as requiring a human dispatcher in the loop seems silly. That there's a difference between types of taxi service isn't silly, but the way that Germany (or some parts of it?) enforces the difference is.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think you've misread that, and talked about the general "why do we get the peons back into their cubicles" and not why specifically it's a rule in Germany for some types of taxi service. That's probably more about trying to enforce a difference between the types of taxi service (between those that can be hailed directly in the street and those that have to be booked), and it seems a silly rule to me, just as requiring a human dispatcher in the loop seems silly. That there's a difference between types of taxi service isn't silly, but the way that Germany (or some parts of it?) enforces the difference is.
Probably for historical reasons. At the time the regulations were written (i.e. before the advent of cheap computers) it did make sense. And then nobody thought of modernizing it.
But again, just trying to ram your process through is not the way to go about it.
But that regulation was the least of their problems so I'm not quite getting why people are defending this scum of the earth company.
If they had tried to go about it in the proper way then the other taxi / driver service companies might even have welcomed the change. But with their aggressive style of trying to have their cake and eat it, they only increased the opposition. And then it's no wonder when those regulations are used against them by the other companies.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Can you even get an Uber on a computer?
Yes
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@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
And the argument "we are not a taxi service because app" is a bullshit way to try to not follow the regulations.
Yes, don't we usually mock services because of the "...but on a computer!" argument?
Can you even get an Uber on a computer?
A mobile is a computer.
Yeah, but it's also a phone. I guess it needs to be a smart phone for Uber, but you could use a traditional POTS phone to contact a Central Scheduling Office.
And that's the important difference between taxis and car services. Car service cars are pre-scheduled. Taxis are hailed.
The shit about "It's the same, expect on a computer" is factually inaccurate. It's also condescending in a way that would be more befitting of the Garage.
Knock it off.
The point is that you're scheduling with the Central Office to have a car sent directly for you
Yes, like a taxi. I see you've never been to Germany.
I've been using the American English/New York City slang names for two reasons, the more important of which is that the phrase "car service" does not contain the root word "taxi." (cc: @Arantor, who says in British English they're both called "taxis" even though there's two different kinds with two different sets of regulations.)
But fine. You said
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@loopback0 Naw, those were not taxi drivers but private hire drivers.
Private hire drivers, for example, are not bound by the mandated taxi tariffs.
Ok fine but the regulations in question still seem pretty stupid.
You have to draw the line somewhere. And, no, it's not stupid if you want to have both regular taxis and something like a rental limousine service with a chauffeur.
What's the "rental limousine" thing called? That's what a car service is. Here, they often call themselves "airport limousines" and get offended if you call them taxis.
Also, is it possible to hail a taxi by hailing them in Germany? Or are all fares pre-scheduled?
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Arantor said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Please tell me about the importance of going back to the office.
because a) shitty managers have no better way to micromanage or rule their workers except by fear in close proximity and b) office buildings don't buy themselves and someone has to pay for it and we can't possibly let the poor starving landlords be poor and starving.
I think you've misread that
90% sure @Arantor was kidding.
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@Arantor said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
the drivers are certified above a certain standard on local knowledge
I think that was always a London-only regulation, and it's being dropped because modern satnav is pretty damn good.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The point isn't that you're using an app. The point is that you're scheduling with the Central Office to have a car sent directly for you.
With a taxi, you see a taxi driving around on the street and you stick your finger in the air and you yell TAXI! and hope they hear you.You can do that, but I almost never do. That's not that much of a distinction, it's still a taxi. As mentioned above, there are also taxi apps, so Ubers not-a-taxi taxi app is no different.
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@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I think you've misread that, and talked about the general "why do we get the peons back into their cubicles" and not why specifically it's a rule in Germany for some types of taxi service. That's probably more about trying to enforce a difference between the types of taxi service (between those that can be hailed directly in the street and those that have to be booked), and it seems a silly rule to me, just as requiring a human dispatcher in the loop seems silly. That there's a difference between types of taxi service isn't silly, but the way that Germany (or some parts of it?) enforces the difference is.
Probably for historical reasons. At the time the regulations were written (i.e. before the advent of cheap computers) it did make sense. And then nobody thought of modernizing it.
But again, just trying to ram your process through is not the way to go about it.
How?
Keep in mind, Uber had no German employees and no German customer base and no presence in Germany at all? Why should the German government have listened to those foreigners as opposed to their actual constituents, who'd be put out of a job if Uber were allowed to come in.
If they had tried to go about it in the proper way then the other taxi / driver service companies might even have welcomed the change.
But with their aggressive style of trying to have their cake and eat it, they only increased the opposition. And then it's no wonder when those regulations are used against them by the other companies.
This is excuse-making. Those regulations were put in place to protect existing taxi companies. Keeping Uber out was exactly what they were for.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Uber is a car service where you contact the scheduling office by app rather than by telephone call. They use contracted drivers driving cars provided by the driver, rather than cars owned by Uber.
And the argument "we are not a taxi service because app" is a bullshit way to try to not follow the regulations.
Yes, don't we usually mock services because of the "...but on a computer!" argument?
Can you even get an Uber on a computer?
A mobile is a computer.
Yeah, but it's also a phone. I guess it needs to be a smart phone for Uber, but you could use a traditional POTS phone to contact a Central Scheduling Office.
You can call uber from their site, using a normal computer.
@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Arantor said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
the drivers are certified above a certain standard on local knowledge
I think that was always a London-only regulation, and it's being dropped because modern satnav is pretty damn good.
It still is a regulation in Poland. The real reason for its existence has nothing to do with service quality, of course. It's simply a way to keep 'not our guys' out. And as a vector for corruption, but that's obvious.
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@Rhywden said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
But that regulation was the least of their problems so I'm not quite getting why people are defending this scum of the earth company.
Because if they break some silly rules and are also an extremly shitty company that breaks non-silly rules, builds on basically being criminal to the point they have procedures to destroy evidence on police raids, and have numerous other complaints against them1, it's much simpler to argue "but the silly rules are silly so it's good they're breaking rules".
1 Funny tangential about the extremely dubious claims that you are more safe in "random schmuck" taxi than in the official taxis driven by criminals who steal from you: Widespread allegations of sexual assault by Uber taxi drivers don't exactly paint them as safe(r).
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The shit about "It's the same, expect on a computer" is factually inaccurate. It's also condescending in a way that would be more befitting of the Garage.
Oh, come on. It is the same, except on a computer.
If that is condesceding but
I don't claim to be an expert on German law (or regulations!) and culture but of course I have no problem calling either one dumb.
isn't, then you're making your double-standards more obvious than you intended.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Widespread allegations of sexual assault by Uber taxi drivers don't exactly paint them as safe(r).
Accepting millions of 'immigrants' is not exactly uber's fault.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
(cc: @Arantor, who says in British English they're both called "taxis" even though there's two different kinds with two different sets of regulations.)
In British English, they're either hackney carriages or private hire vehicles (with the names coming from what the law says). Uber fall smack in the middle of the latter category.
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@MrL said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Widespread allegations of sexual assault by Uber taxi drivers don't exactly paint them as safe(r).
Accepting millions of 'immigrants' is not exactly uber's fault.
That wasn't a statement about Germany but about Uber in general. We don't have that many Poles driving Uber taxis here.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@MrL said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Widespread allegations of sexual assault by Uber taxi drivers don't exactly paint them as safe(r).
Accepting millions of 'immigrants' is not exactly uber's fault.
That wasn't a statement about Germany but about Uber in general.
Oh, so how widespread are those allegations actually? And how factual are they?
We don't have that many Poles driving Uber taxis here.
Of course not, that seems very illegal.
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@MrL said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@MrL said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Widespread allegations of sexual assault by Uber taxi drivers don't exactly paint them as safe(r).
Accepting millions of 'immigrants' is not exactly uber's fault.
That wasn't a statement about Germany but about Uber in general.
Oh, so how widespread are those allegations actually? And how factual are they?
We don't have that many Poles driving Uber taxis here.
Of course not, that seems very illegal.
Only assaulting when your taxi has a license doesn't fit with your outlaw narrative.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The shit about "It's the same, expect on a computer" is factually inaccurate. It's also condescending in a way that would be more befitting of the Garage.
Oh, come on. It is the same, except on a computer.
Sorry, which two things are the same?
If that is condesceding but
I don't claim to be an expert on German law (or regulations!) and culture but of course I have no problem calling either one dumb.
isn't, then you're making your double-standards more obvious than you intended.
I don't know that I would call the @boomzilla quote "condescending," per se. It's "Befitting of the Garage," though, which I think is your larger point.
@Rhywden is treating this topic like it's a Garage topic when it comes to his own posts, but retreating to "it's not actually a Garage topic" when people criticize him. That was what I intended to point out.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden is treating this topic like it's a Garage topic when it comes to his own posts, but retreating to "it's not actually a Garage topic" when people criticize him. That was what I intended to point out.
Eh, he responds to "inane" with "you're not the arbiter of truth". That's not treating the topic as the garage, that's only responding in kind. And since we've apparently moved on to "immigrants are raping criminals" racial shitposting, while lauding a company with a history of criminal behavior for it, it's probably long gone.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Arantor said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
the drivers are certified above a certain standard on local knowledge
I think that was always a London-only regulation, and it's being dropped because modern satnav is pretty damn good.
Especially when they can take current traffic into account. I know general patterns around here but it's not the same as knowing actual conditions which can still vary greatly.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden is treating this topic like it's a Garage topic when it comes to his own posts, but retreating to "it's not actually a Garage topic" when people criticize him. That was what I intended to point out.
Eh, he responds to "inane" with "you're not the arbiter of truth". That's not treating the topic as the garage, that's only responding in kind.
Yeah, they're both responding in kind and have been this whole time. That's kind of my point too.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yeah, but it's also a phone.
My PC is also a phone ... If you call my office land line it rings on my pc
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@Luhmann said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yeah, but it's also a phone.
My PC is also a phone ... If you call my office land line it rings on my pc
Like through a modem?
Because if it's VoIP, it's not a land line.
None of that matters though, because the point was that contacting a car service dispatcher using your phone versus using an app on your phone are really the same thing.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@Rhywden is treating this topic like it's a Garage topic when it comes to his own posts, but retreating to "it's not actually a Garage topic" when people criticize him. That was what I intended to point out.
Eh, he responds to "inane" with "you're not the arbiter of truth". That's not treating the topic as the garage, that's only responding in kind. And since we've apparently moved on to "immigrants are raping criminals" racial shitposting, while lauding a company with a history of criminal behavior for it, it's probably long gone.
I'll now mute this thread since a certain mod who should not be a mod seems to be pathologically incapable of not abusing his status.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Like through a modem?
Because if it's VoIP, it's not a land line.It isn't? Rats! Then the DECT at home must be a computer because it's actually talking VoIP towards the provider. A provider that with high probability is routing VoIP too and no ISDN L7 anymore.
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@Luhmann said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Like through a modem?
Because if it's VoIP, it's not a land line.It isn't? Rats! Then the DECT at home must be a computer because it's actually talking VoIP towards the provider. A provider that with high probability is routing VoIP too and no ISDN L7 anymore.
Yeah, a lot of places have gotten rid of POTS landlines. In the US, next to no one actually has a land line anymore.
Around here, the phone company has to warn you if the "phone service" they're selling you is VoIP because if it's VoIP, calling emergency services stops working if the power goes out.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@MrL said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@MrL said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Widespread allegations of sexual assault by Uber taxi drivers don't exactly paint them as safe(r).
Accepting millions of 'immigrants' is not exactly uber's fault.
That wasn't a statement about Germany but about Uber in general.
Ah yes, the recent media wave. Let's see how the case turns out.
Only assaulting when your taxi has a license doesn't fit with your outlaw narrative.
Clearly you don't understand my outlaw narrative. I don't need a taxi to assault at all.
And since we've apparently moved on to "immigrants are raping criminals" racial shitposting, while lauding a company with a history of criminal behavior for it, it's probably long gone.
I'm only judging by hard statistics. We had one case of rape by uber driver - he was an immigrant. So 100% of uber rapes are done by immigrants.
If you find it 'racial shitposting' then I can't help you.
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Holy fuck, this is some anal arguing over dumb shit about a horrible company.
And I don't think @Rhywden is the one toeing the garage line here. He's strikes me as a lot more calm and collected than usually when these arguments break out here.
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@MrL said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Accepting millions of 'immigrants' is not exactly uber's fault.
I'm only judging by hard statistics. We had one case of rape by uber driver - he was an immigrant. So 100% of uber rapes are done by immigrants. If you find it 'racial shitposting' then I can't help you.
While it's impossible to tell at this point if you actually think that is "hard statistics" or not, it is definitely clear that for your racial shitposting it doesn't matter anyway.
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@topspin said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
While it's impossible to tell at this point if you actually think that is "hard statistics" or not
My sense of humor being too subtle is not something I'm frequently accused of.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Hail-by-contacting-the-central-office-using-a-telephone versus hail-by-hailing is the central difference between a car service and a taxi service.
I disagree. Maybe if you live downtown in an urban area you can just walk outside and hail a passing taxi, but most places I've lived (suburbs, not rural, which would be even less frequent), you might wait days or even weeks for a taxi to just happen by. Before Uber/Lyft, if you needed a taxi, you had to look up the phone number of the taxi company in the phone book and call them. And you still might have to wait an hour for one to show up at your door.