Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh)
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@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I can post screenshots when I'm not where I am right now but I surmise you won't be interested if the 1x1 is a play button and not the podcast icon.
Is it labeled? Might be ok.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Is it labeled? Might be ok.
Unfortunately, no. Once it's that small it's literally just a .
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@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Unfortunately, no.
Ugggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
In other news, that Notifyer Unread Count app I installed is officially out-of-sync. Not only does it fail to support having multiple gmail accounts, it also fails working correctly for longer than 24 hours apparently.
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@pie_flavor said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I know Home + Power as the screenshot combination,
E_NO_HOME_BUTTON
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
You realize you could also say "Ok, Google. Play <blah>" where <blah> is your podcast right?
I couldn't, no, because I turned that off.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
apparently stock Android is about 7-8 years behind all its competitors
OMG It's missing this one minor feature that I care so much about therefore it's 7-8 years behind all its competitors!
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
including Samsung-customized Android!
heh.
Sure.
Something like that.@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
But then, after you've learned it once it becomes second nature. Gotta be honest, a lot of your complaints about Android read as "It's not Windows Phone". So it's not. And I get how annoying the period of adjustment is; I really do. But it is what it is. You get upset about such things. As I've said, I can't. Different OSes have different paradigms, due to design constraints, incompetence (of course that's a factor), patents, or what have you. No one on these forums (that I know of) can answer "Why is it this way" since we don't work for Google. All we can do is explain how it does work and railing at us is going to make us less inclined to help.
Yeah, basically what he said.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Anyway, look: I spent $200 on a bad product. Yes I'm angry. If you spent money on Android, you should be angry too. That's the normal reasonable response to spending a lot of money on a bad product. If it were a good product, I would not be angry.
No you didn't. You spent $200 on a good product. It's just not what you're used to, so you're just pissed. There's a term for that - It's called "Somebody moved my cheese"
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
BTW Samsung phones are popular because they fix like dozens of the shitty missing features in stock Android
More like "Samsung phones are popular because they're a well known brand name. They also add some features that don't come with stock Android. They also are shit at programming, so those features break half the time when you try to use them."
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Fine; I'll rephrase: since both Apple and Microsoft had the feature, there's nothing preventing Google from having it, by licensing it or bribing someone or doing whatever the hell Microsoft did to get it. Whatever. I'm not a pedant like you are.
Sure there is. And if that's the case, there's even a monetary cost (in addition to the development cost). Is there a benefit to adding the feature? Maybe. There sure is to @blakeyrat. But @blakeyrat isn't the only person this OS was designed for. Is it worth that cost? Well, I guess the only people who would know that are Google themselves. But to call it "lazy", and to call the OS "worse" because it doesn't have your pet feature is just stupid.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Either that or I want for Android 8 which is supposed to FINALLY have this simple feature, according to two articles I found.
I have 8.0. If you just want some type of visual indicator, then yes it does (a colored dot at the top right of the icon). If you want a count, then it does not. Also, the indicator goes away once you've opened the app, which I assume is what you want but thought I'd mention in case you don't.
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@dreikin That's not even remotely close to what I want, which I've described in detail about 14 times in this thread.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@dreikin That's not even remotely close to what I want, which I've described in detail about 14 times in this thread.
Ah, apparently I missed that detail. Also, I haven't read the whole thread. I saw you mention waiting for Android 8 because you'd read it had what you wanted, didn't see anyone commenting on it in the expanded replies-to-post thingy, then checked my phone to tell you what it's actually like so you'd have good information on whether it's worth it (obviously, to me now, it isn't).
Anyway, now you know (or already knew; again, haven't read everything since that point): Android 8 isn't going to provide what you want.
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@dreikin Of course not. Why would the leading phone OS have quality? Why would it have features I've had on my desktop computer since 1997? Ridiculous.
It wouldn't be the IT industry if it weren't backsliding at a butt-bruising rate. No forward progress for us! No, sir!
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@dreikin Of course not. Why would the leading phone OS have
qualityan oddly specific feature that I place a gigantic importance on? Why would it have a single specific featuresI've had on my desktop computer since 1997? Ridiculous.It wouldn't be the IT industry if it weren't
backslidingmoving forward rapidly but neglecting one feature that I place a gigantic importance on at a butt-bruising rate. No forward progress for that feature for us! No, sir!FTFY
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It wouldn't be the IT industry if everyone didn't keep proving the same XKCDs over and over and over at a butt-bruising rate.
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@pie_flavor Surely he could configure emacs to detect holding spacebar.
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@pie_flavor Someone Rosie O'Donnell this shit.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@pie_flavor Someone Rosie O'Donnell this shit.
I am unfamiliar with the verb.
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@pie_flavor This isn't a case of a bug being part of someone's workflow. It's a case of someone not implementing a feature everyone else knows everyone wants, and convincing people that they're right, and that anyone who wants that feature is using their software wrong.
Reminds me of a person, almost. Maybe one whose name rhymes with clef?
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@magus Not even. Downloading an app from the play store is too much for him. Shall we whine for hours about all the features not present in stock GNU/Linux, or shall we simply download [insert reader's favorite distro here]?
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@pie_flavor He's tried at least three launchers. There was someone whose name rhymed with box who had this kind of reading comprehension.
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@magus said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@pie_flavor He's tried at least three launchers. There was someone whose name rhymed with box who had this kind of reading comprehension.
No he hasn't.
He's tried a launcher which didn't work. I think he tried a widget too.
He's ignored my suggestion, which I even posted a screenshot of above.
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@magus said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
everyone wants
I don't!
I mean, I don't really care if it's implemented as an option. But I don't want that kind of shit on my homescreen. Icons only.
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You know what bothers me... Is that I'm using a Nexus 5X, and it's been agonizingly slow ever since lollipop. Ugh. It's not like this was budget phone either...
At least it gives me motivation to make NodeBB faster.
I also made the mistake of complaining about it on Reddit. It has -9 rep right now.
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@julianlam said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
At least it gives me motivation to make NodeBB faster.
That'd be a welcome change.
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@julianlam said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
You know what bothers me... Is that I'm using a Nexus 5X, and it's been agonizingly slow ever since lollipop. Ugh. It's not like this was budget phone either...
At least it gives me motivation to make NodeBB faster.
I also made the mistake of complaining about it on Reddit. It has -9 rep right now.
I'm assuming you've done a factory reset? Even though upgrades theoretically "just work", that's a good way to fix that issue for a lot of cases.
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I'm assuming the answer is "ha ha no of course not, what do you think this is, a good phone?" but I have to ask:
Is there a way to have the Android voice assistant take-over speaking and transcribing replies to text messages, instead of my car's default voice?
(You know, like you can with Cortana. And probably Siri. But on Android.)
The Ford Sync software isn't ... terrible at it, but Cortana was way better, and I imagine Ok Google (or whatever they call it) is better too.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
You know, like you can with Cortana
You can install Cortana on Android if you're more familiar with it than Google Assistant.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
You can install Cortana on Android if you're more familiar with it than Google Assistant.
Ok... but that doesn't answer my question.
I guess the answer is "download Cortana and see if the option's there?"
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@e4tmyl33t said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
You can install Cortana on Android if you're more familiar with it than Google Assistant.
Ok... but that doesn't answer my question.
I guess the answer is "download Cortana and see if the option's there?"
Maybe? I don't have car sync software, and I know Google Assistant can take dictation for sending a text message, but I've never tried to have it read one off to me. I honestly don't use the Assistant a lot.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Is there a way to have the Android voice assistant take-over speaking and transcribing replies to text messages, instead of my car's default voice?
That seems like the sort of thing that would be an option in the car's software. I've never used built in voice sync, just bluetooth to a stereo and used my phone voice controls directly. Not that I really use voice controls
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@jaloopa said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
That seems like the sort of thing that would be an option in the car's software.
No; the phone's responsible, because it's implemented by the phone "faking" a phone call and then reading your texts and letting you reply over the "call". Instead of the phone using the Bluetooth module to tell the car "hey there's a text, here it is".
It's not like the car computer has an API that Cortana could download herself into like some bad sci-fi game like Halo 4 where literally exactly that happens and goddamned Halo 4 was stupid, what was even happening at the end where Cortana's like all popping out of the light bridge and then there's a nuke but somehow everything's ok because, what, magic I guess? And don't even get me started on the whole plot thread that they need a sample of DNA from Halsey to fix Cortana, she's fucking SOFTWARE where the fuck would they even INSERT the DNA goddamned... anwyay.
And again: I have to express shock that Android users are surprised to hear about this feature fully 5 years after it shipped on every Windows Phone. Jesus this OS is backwards.
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Why is "your phone is charging using USB" a notification? I don't fucking care. It already has a lightning bolt icon in the status bar to tell me that.
Why, additionally, is it a notification it's impossible to get rid of!?
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Why is "your phone is charging using USB" a notification? I don't fucking care. It already has a lightning bolt icon in the status bar to tell me that.
It isn't? Unless you've connected it to a computer but it's unmounted?
Why, additionally, is it a notification it's impossible to get rid of!?
If the above is the case, it's so you can press it to switch mounting modes. It's not in the main settings, (though it probably should be, but disabled unless connected to a computer), so you need some way to get to those settings.
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@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
It isn't? Unless you've connected it to a computer but it's unmounted?
The notification says "your phone is charging using USB" which is useless and stupid.
It does not say "your phone is charging using USB and also the USB hub you've plugged it into is plugged into a computer but this phone isn't currently talking to the computer right now" which would also be useless and stupid, but in a wholly different way.
Who at Google thought this was useful information to notify the user about? There's already an icon on the status bar that shows it's charging.
@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
If the above is the case, it's so you can press it to switch mounting modes.
What is "it"? What is a "mounting mode"? Why the fuck should an end-user have to give a shit about a "mounting mode"? Why is this OS so poorly-designed?
@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
It's not in the main settings, (though it probably should be, but disabled unless connected to a computer), so you need some way to get to those settings.
I guess pressing the "it" is the only way then?
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Why the fuck should an end-user have to give a shit about a "mounting mode"? Why is this OS so poorly-designed?
Yep, There are multiple ways the phone can present itself over USB. That's definitely poor design. Good thing Android came up with those interfaces.
There is some software that only works with devices that present as cameras. There's a mode that lets the phone present as a camera. I guess making that work is dumb. Who wants working software
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
It's not in the main settings, (though it probably should be, but disabled unless connected to a computer), so you need some way to get to those settings.
I guess pressing the "it" is the only way then?
Yes?
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@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Yep, There are multiple ways the phone can present itself over USB.
But why?
A device can be multiple USB HID's at once. I have a ton of devices that do exactly that.
@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
There is some software that only works with devices that present as cameras. There's a mode that lets the phone present as a camera.
Right; but if it can do it why doesn't it just do it all the time? Why ask the user?
In any case, how do I get rid of the goddamned useless "notification"? I don't need to be notified that I plugged the phone in. I know I plugged the phone in. I watched me do it.
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@jazzyjosh said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Yep, There are multiple ways the phone can present itself over USB. That's definitely poor design. Good thing Android came up with those interfaces.
Is there a way to change the default? I keep meaning to find out but forget.
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
In any case, how do I get rid of the goddamned useless "notification"? I don't need to be notified that I plugged the phone in. I know I plugged the phone in. I watched me do it.
Did you try what I posted earlier in this thread? (Swipe right on it, there should be [snooze]/[configure to mute] buttons unless it's marked as some sort of ueber-special system notification.)
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@heterodox said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
(Swipe right on it, there should be [snooze]/[configure to mute] buttons unless it's marked as some sort of ueber-special system notification.)
You can mute all notifications from "Android System" but that seems like a very bad idea. (Like, I'd want to see a notification like "whoa there's a huge security flaw that needs to be patched post-haste!")
If you can mute only this particular moronic/useless notification, I can't figure out how.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
If you can mute only this particular moronic/useless notification, I can't figure out how.
Hm, is there a Snooze button where you can snooze it for a couple hours? Obviously doesn't get rid of it permanently but best I can think of to help. I was able to do that when Android System was telling me it couldn't update (because of something I did that I'd have to revert when I had some time to do so) but it might be an Android 8 thing.
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@heterodox Well the screenshot shortcut doesn't work, natch, so I can't just photograph what the UI looks like.
If I select that menu for "more options" it gives me the list of things the phone can pretend to be to the PC. (But zero explanation of why it can't simultaneously be all of those things. My camera simultaneously transfers files and uses the camera protocol, why the fuck can't my phone?)
If I swipe right and hit the Gear, the only option is to mute all notifications from "Android System" which, as I said above, seems like a very bad idea. If I swipe left, unlike every other notification ever, it stays put and doesn't go away. Because why would a UI need consistency or predictability.
Again: this is a crazy-pills situation. Why does anybody at Google think I need a notification that I can't get rid of that says the phone is charging? Do they have like goldfish memory and can't remember plugging it in or something? (Imagine if Windows 10, for example, added a notification every time you plugged a laptop power cable in. That'd be the most annoying thing on Earth.)
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@blakeyrat Before Android...6?...you could set a default for what mode your phone started in when you plugged it into a computer.
One day the paranoid security folks noticed that it would enter that mode automatically even if the device is locked. "Hey Google!" said the outraged security guys, "You're letting people steal our data like our phone was a common USB drive!" (Of course, they conveniently left out how they chose to change the default setting from charging-only to MTP.)
"OK," replied the devs, "well, we'll do something. When we get to it. Maybe." What they eventually chose to do is what you see now: always start the phone in charging-only mode and put up a notification that let you change it, but not let you use the notification from the lock screen and not let you choose to override the default. (Developers can override the default for the next time you plug it in, but it reverts to charging-only when you disconnect from the computer.)
As with most things in Android, this behavior can be altered by folks making their own ROM.
Going back to the replying to texts in a car thing, poking around gave Android Auto, Drivemode, Dragon Mobile Assistant, and (if you have a Motorola phone) Moto Voice. I don't know how well any of these work as I don't have any call for it and my car doesn't have more than a bluetooth-to-FM echoer plugged into the cigarette lighter socket, but maybe these are worth checking out.
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@parody Here's what Windows Phone does:
- If it's locked, it doesn't talk to the computer at all. (Well, except perhaps to tell USB it can support fast-charging.)
- When you unlock it, it connects to the computer and simultaneously presents itself as every USB HID protocol it understands.
- It doesn't have a notification for "you plugged in the phone" because that's fucking retarded. It does draw a lightning bolt over the battery icon, but lo and behold so does Android, so.
It's almost as if someone sat down and spent more than 34 nanoseconds thinking about how this feature should work.
(I'm still curious for an explanation of why an Android device can't simultaneously tell the USB bus that it's a storage device and also a photo device. They must have made some horrifyingly awful assumption somewhere deep down in its USB client code library.)
@parody said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Going back to the replying to texts in a car thing, poking around gave Android Auto, Drivemode, Dragon Mobile Assistant, and (if you have a Motorola phone) Moto Voice. I don't know how well any of these work as I don't have any call for it and my car doesn't have more than a bluetooth-to-FM echoer plugged into the cigarette lighter socket, but maybe these are worth checking out.
Thanks, I'll take a look.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Right; but if it can do it why doesn't it just do it all the time? Why ask the user?
Because maybe you don't want just any random computer to have access to your files without any user interaction?
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
(I'm still curious for an explanation of why an Android device can't simultaneously tell the USB bus that it's a storage device and also a photo device. They must have made some horrifyingly awful assumption somewhere deep down in its USB client code library.)
So, here's the UX of that from a user perspective:
"But wait, my phone's on there twice!", the confused user says. "Which one should I click?"
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
My camera simultaneously transfers files and uses the camera protocol, why the fuck can't my phone?
No, you camera uses PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) to connect to your computer and transfer files. In fact, so can your phone (that's what "camera mode" is). But it doesn't work for non-camera files. Just like not using PTP doesn't work for some applications. Hence why the choice is there.
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Again: this is a crazy-pills situation. Why does anybody at Google think I need a notification that I can't get rid of that says the phone is charging? Do they have like goldfish memory and can't remember plugging it in or something? (Imagine if Windows 10, for example, added a notification every time you plugged a laptop power cable in. That'd be the most annoying thing on Earth.)
FWIW (not that you care), this is much better in Android 8.0. That notification (and others like it) is a low-priority notification, meaning it only appears if you swipe down on the notification panel. It's the best way to handle this though, because the other options are:
- Hide USB settings deep in the settings menu where nobody will ever find them
- Appear as all devices simultaneously, confusing users when they see their device pop up as multiple things that have similar, but slightly different usages.
- Do that^ automatically, which is dangerous from a security perspective - let's say you've plugged your phone into a hostile USB charging port (see: DEFCON), and the moment you unlock it to check your text messages, the "charging port" steals all your data.
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@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
No, you camera uses PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) to connect to your computer and transfer files. But it doesn't work for non-camera files. Just like not using PTP doesn't work for some applications. Hence why the choice is there.
I get what he's saying though. A multi-function printer appears to Windows simultaneously as a printer, a scanner, and a fax machine.
I know way back (pre-Android 6, I think), it was an issue where the way the device was mounted meant that when Windows mounted the filesystem Android stopped being able to talk to it, which is why there were so many phones that had a "system" partition and a "user data" partition. Perhaps this is an artifact of that time.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I get what he's saying though. A multi-function printer appears to Windows simultaneously as a printer, a scanner, and a fax machine.
I do too, but I think he fundamentally doesn't understand what the modes are. I mean, it would be weird for me to see my phone pop up like 3 different times in "My Computer". What's the difference? Which one is the one with my photos of grumpy cat?
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
When you unlock it, it connects to the computer and simultaneously presents itself as every USB HID protocol it understands.
So if you're connected to a rogue USB port, it can now control your phone using every USB HID protocol it understands.
Excellent. 10/10.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
I know way back (pre-Android 6, I think), it was an issue where the way the device was mounted meant that when Windows mounted the filesystem Android stopped being able to talk to it, which is why there were so many phones that had a "system" partition and a "user data" partition. Perhaps this is an artifact of that time.
I forgot that was a thing, but yea, I remember that. I think it was with microSD cards or something?
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@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Because maybe you don't want just any random computer to have access to your files without any user interaction?
Windows 8 won't do jack unless the phone's unlocked. If the phone's unlocked, it means there was a user interaction permitting access.
@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
"But wait, my phone's on there twice!", the confused user says. "Which one should I click?"
Possibly? But the current "solution" of asking the user what device the phone should pretend to be seems far worse than what you're complaining about.
@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
No, you camera uses PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) to connect to your computer and transfer files. In fact, so can your phone (that's what "camera mode" is). But it doesn't work for non-camera files.
Does on my camera. I used to put all kinds of shit on the SD card that wasn't photos, because it was mounted as a normal mass storage device as well as a camera.
@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Just like not using PTP doesn't work for some applications. Hence why the choice is there.
You haven't yet given me a good reason why the choice is there. I highly doubt there is one. It's obvious nobody actually thought about this design.
@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
FWIW (not that you care), this is much better in Android 8.0. That notification (and others like it) is a low-priority notification, meaning it only appears if you swipe down on the notification panel. It's the best way to handle this though, because the other options are:
How else do notifications appear? WTF.
Anyway my objection is that it appears at all. So no, Android 8 is not better. It's exactly the same.
I don't need to be "notified" that I plugged in my phone. If there's a setting for what device the phone pretends to be, why not put it in (fanfare.mid) settings?
(Which, BTW, I'm pretty sure is exactly where it was back in Android 2.2, when I last had an Android phone. It was better then, not because it was actually good, but because the competition was much worse. Apparently Google just fucking gave up, because Android 7 doesn't seem to be superior to Android 2.2 in any significant way.)
@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Appear as all devices simultaneously, confusing users when they see their device pop up as multiple things that have similar, but slightly different usages.
Ok; let's take it as gospel that having it appear as multiple devices simultaneously is really confusing to people. Which is stupid. But we're pretending it's not:
Putting a setting in a notification that isn't really a notification and also can't be removed is also really confusing to people.
It's shit UI. It's inconsistent with where all other settings show up in the OS. It's inconsistent because it doesn't behave like a normal setting. It's unnecessary because you're telling the user something they already know. It's shit UI. It's badly designed. Sorry, I know you inexplicably love this badly-designed OS, but that doesn't make it any less badly-designed.
@sloosecannon said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Do that^ automatically, which is dangerous from a security perspective - let's say you've plugged your phone into a hostile USB charging port (see: DEFCON), and the moment you unlock it to check your text messages, the "charging port" steals all your data.
Yeah I lost so much sleep over this as a Windows Phone 8 user.
That still doesn't explain why it's a notification and not in settings. Since it's actually a setting. Just one that appears as a notification. A notification that inexplicably can't be removed. And setting it to ignore also ignores critical system update notifications.
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@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
How else do notifications appear? WTF.
It shows up as a smaller notification with no icon, as opposed to a full-sized notification with an icon that gets in the way.
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Ok; let's take it as gospel that having it appear as multiple devices simultaneously is really confusing to people. Which is stupid. But we're pretending it's not:
I know you don't really know how to interact with people, and probably can't empathize with them very well. But if you think that's not confusing, you're less in touch than I thought.
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Putting a setting in a notification that isn't really a notification and also can't be removed is also really confusing to people.
No. No it's not. It's normal UI in Android. Low-priority system notifications are used to give relevant status and allow access to system settings in a more convenient way than having to go through the settings menu.
Which is, again, the core of the issue here. You're not used to using this, it works differently than your favorite OS and you dislike it - not for good reasons, but because it's different.
@blakeyrat said in Recommend to me a cellphone (running Android I guess, sigh):
Yeah I lost so much sleep over this as a Windows Phone 8 user.
I mean, if you're OK with getting your data stolen, that's all good with me.
Whatever. Just go back to Windows Phone if it's really that terrible for you. Or learn to adapt to the other mobile OSes out there - whatever decision you make is up to you...