Cringy Glimmer talk



  • Glimmer is basically a new & improved version of Ember. Or something.

    And this is probably the worst tech talk I have ever seen. Major cringe warning.

    It also reminds me of my time coding Ember. It seemed like it should be easy, but nothing ever worked quite as smoothly as promised.



    1. Even in the universe of bad oneboxes, that is a terrible onebox. Clicking the obvious link takes you to a static image; to get what you want you have to click the link in the title.

    2. Ember London can't afford either clip-on mics or a mic stand? That's the most ludicrous thing about this. They built that fancy stage but forget a mic stand?



  • @blakeyrat said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    Even in the universe of bad oneboxes, that is a terrible onebox. Clicking the obvious link takes you to a static image

    That's not the first time someone has commented on how stupid that is.



  • @blakeyrat said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    Ember London can't afford either clip-on mics or a mic stand? That's the most ludicrous thing about this. They built that fancy stage but forget a mic stand?

    That's nothing. This was "lunch":
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  • @boomzilla Mummmmm, a CLT.



  • Thank god it's subtitled.

    "If you don't want to write in TypeScript, you can still write in TypeScript."

    Being someone who knows TypeScript, I know what he's talking about but anyone who isn't familiar with TypeScript probably had no fucking clue what he was saying.

    This is why you always, always, always rehearse your demonstration and stick to the script.



  • @blakeyrat said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    Ember London can't afford either clip-on mics or a mic stand? That's the most ludicrous thing about this. They built that fancy stage but forget a mic stand?

    At one point they actually had someone holing the mic in front of his face. But then he left, and the mic ended up on the floor a minute later.



  • @The_Quiet_One said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    it's subtitled.

    Just reading the transcript is inducing nonstop cringes.



  • @cartman82 Guy needs some self confidence. Less than 5 minutes in, he should have stopped and said, "hey could someone in the back find and bring up a mic stand please?" Nip those problems in the bud.

    Public speaking is hard enough when you don't have to constantly worry about holding up a mic while talking.



  • @boomzilla said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @blakeyrat said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    Ember London can't afford either clip-on mics or a mic stand? That's the most ludicrous thing about this. They built that fancy stage but forget a mic stand?

    That's nothing. This was "lunch":
    0_1494006735979_upload-2e089e46-3074-4341-8295-62b8efff01ad

    Damn, that's even worse than what people got at the Fyre Festival.



  • @anotherusername said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @blakeyrat said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    Even in the universe of bad oneboxes, that is a terrible onebox. Clicking the obvious link takes you to a static image

    That's not the first time someone has commented on how stupid that is.

    You mean the picture? Since when has that been the obvious link? There's a regular, blue, underlined link above it that seems like it would be more obvious.

    Fake edit: Oh, wait, you mean on mobile? That might be a valid complaint then. But the forum is "responsive", so the mobile version of iframely link-boxing could be different, couldn't it?



  • @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    You mean the picture? Since when has that been the obvious link?

    The picture catches the eye better and makes for a bigger target.



  • @cartman82 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    the mic ended up on the floor a minute later.

    That's how low that tech talk went undefined



  • @anotherusername said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    You mean the picture? Since when has that been the obvious link?

    The picture catches the eye better and makes for a bigger target.

    Sure, for mobile, like I mentioned. But desktop usage doesn't tend to use an image to identify a link, unless it's to a larger version of the image itself. Blue, underlined text is the primary method to identify an html anchor on desktops, and has been pretty much since they were introduced.



  • @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    You mean the picture? Since when has that been the obvious link?

    You know how I know you've never been exposed to either marketing or usability best-practices?



  • After that which I learned that Glimmer is.
    Yes. Very.
    That.

    I should use it now.



  • @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    You mean the picture? Since when has that been the obvious link?

    Because the link text is the description and the picture is the actual thing.

    First day of firefighter training and you go into the locker to change into the gear. You grab the label under the gear? No. Ok, labels are not how people do things.



  • @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    But desktop usage doesn't tend to use an image to identify a link, unless it's to a larger version of the image itself.

    All of the images shown in these screenshots are links.

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    0_1494010425325_upload-c04d1a76-40d4-4804-a483-400f9913a5e9

    0_1494011017761_upload-ec1cd640-cfa8-488f-b6bb-15a766dca82f

    0_1494010719633_upload-8f58e725-9a8c-4935-956c-40d54c9f0bc7

    Guess how many of them are links to the images themselves?



  • @xaade said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    After that which I learned that Glimmer is.
    Yes. Very.
    That.
    I should use it now.

    Haven't you heard? It's super cool.

    I haven't got time now to show you. Just trust me.



  • @anotherusername said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    But desktop usage doesn't tend to use an image to identify a link, unless it's to a larger version of the image itself.

    All of the images shown in these screenshots are links.

    0_1494010465589_upload-c8c99d10-1ecd-4f0b-abb2-c5b0162ce593

    The blocks under "Top Stories" have blue text captions. How many people click the image vs. the blue text?
    The links under "Profiles" look like buttons (a separate UI design), so those are considered differently anyways in the mind of the user (just me, though I wonder what the marketing/usability research shows on that).
    The links under "Executives" look similar to the "Top Stories" blocks, but they are smaller, like buttons, so I could see that one going either way, though, again, I wonder how many people click the blue text instead of the image.

    0_1494010425325_upload-c04d1a76-40d4-4804-a483-400f9913a5e9

    This looks like it's a victim of the "everything is mobile" brainworm, except for the small buttons on the top right of each item and the "See all" links. The graphics on the left side are set off with a border, which is a minor indicator that they are buttons, but I would expect that the whole item should be clickable.

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    First off, these are search results, so I would expect a little different offering than a "regular" content page.
    The image to the left of each of the search results could be expected to link to the page itself. Image search results more obviously exemplify this. The video image links have a video icon on the lower right corner, which is a clear indicator that clicking the image will take the user to that video.

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    Another "mobile" page for desktops. And does the whole block for each item (or at least the title) link to its source article, or is the image the only link?



  • @djls45 I'm lazy. And probably drunk. Let me just click on whatever and take me to the damn link.



  • @xaade said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    You mean the picture? Since when has that been the obvious link?

    Because the link text is the description and the picture is the actual thing.

    First day of firefighter training and you go into the locker to change into the gear. You grab the label under the gear? No. Ok, labels are not how people do things.

    Yet we've had decades of web pages that link via the label.
    It's only recently, with the shift to make everything look like it does on tiny mobile devices, that this has changed.



  • @cartman82 I've been working in Angular 2 for the last year.

    And it is the same impression I've got from every major JS framework.

    Everything that should be difficult to do is easy ... everything that should be easy to do is hard.



  • @boomzilla Hey that is supposed to be me!



  • @lucas1 No, there wasn't enough cunt calling for that to be true.



  • @boomzilla Trying to keep it to a minimum. Turning over a new leaf.



  • @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    The blocks under "Top Stories" have blue text captions. How many people click the image vs. the blue text?

    Enough that they made the pictures link to the same thing that the blue text links to.

    these are search results, so I would expect a little different offering than a "regular" content page.

    They are literally the same thing as a onebox:

    • representative picture
    • representative text
    • link that you can click on

    It's oneboxing them. The only difference between those oneboxes and our oneboxes is that in our oneboxes, clicking the picture just takes you to the picture itself, for some stupid reason.

    Another "mobile" page for desktops. And does the whole block for each item (or at least the title) link to its source article, or is the image the only link?

    The whole box. But I wanted to show that iframely itself can actually get this right; so why are our oneboxes fucked up?



  • @anotherusername said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    I wanted to show that iframely itself can actually get this right; so why are our oneboxes fucked up?

    I seem to recall @ben_lubar telling me that our "oneboxes" are actually iframely boxes. He dislikes them being called "oneboxes" because I guess those are different things...?



  • @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    He dislikes them being called "oneboxes"

    Which is part of why we all still call them that.


  • SockDev

    @boomzilla I honestly thought 'onebox' was the correct term



  • @RaceProUK said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @boomzilla I honestly thought 'onebox' was the correct term

    Maybe it has become one, in the same way that Xerox can mean "photocopy", Post-It can refer to any sticky notes, and Coke can refer to any soft drink (in some areas)?



  • @djls45 Onebox is a term invented by Discourse for Discourse's own fancy implementation.

    The generic term would be an "embed", I guess.



  • @anonymous234 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    The generic term would be an "embed", I guess.

    Or perhaps "auto-embed" when all the user has to do is supply the source link.
    A "regular" embed would have its own wrapping tags that the user has to include for it to work.

    I think I'm going to call them auto-embeds from now on.



  • @djls45 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    Yet we've had decades of web pages that link via the label.
    It's only recently, with the shift to make everything look like it does on tiny mobile devices, that this has changed.

    1. Not everyone has been alive that long.
    2. A lot of people were introduced to computing with mobile.


  • @anonymous234 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @djls45 Onebox is a term invented by Discourse for Discourse's own fancy implementation.

    The generic term would be an "embed", I guess.

    Or imbed if you're my ex cow-orker. I always though he looked like an imbecile when he typed that.



  • @anotherusername In most design circles that is a "card".



  • @dangeRuss said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    I always though he looked like an iembecile when he typed that.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @lucas1 said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @boomzilla Trying to keep it to a minimum. Turning over a new leaf.

    It is appreciated. My personnel opinion of you has improved dramatically recently....



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    My personnel opinion of you

    Wait... you've been paying him to post here?!


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @anotherusername said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Cringy Glimmer talk:

    My personnel opinion of you

    Wait... you've been paying him to post here?!

    In thoughts and wishes. You can clearly see the effect it's had on him!


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