United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why
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@Polygeekery yes
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery yes
Then check this one:
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
No. One would get every
wingnutmoonbat on the internet.FTFY. Or at least, that's the more common arrangement. I can't think of any prominent right-wing vegans/vegetarians other than our own @morbiuswilters.
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@Groaner said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
And for some reason, I'm always in group 3, 4, or 5.
You have to get the credit card and use it to buy your ticket. That puts you into group 2.
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@heterodox said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
$85 for 5 years doesn't seem unreasonable.
NEXUS is $50 (USD or CAD, your choice) for 5 years and includes both TSA Precheck and Global Entry.
The disadvantage is that you have to haul yourself to a Canadian port in order to enroll.
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I wasn't talking about the need to transport crew. I'm talking about overbooking and involuntarily choosing people who'd get bumped.
There are ways around that, but almost no one wants to pay that price.
One of the cheapest airlines here in Europe (Ryanair) makes do without overbooking. So your argument is moot.
Ryanair has issues also.
New rule: Before you say that XYZ airlines does not have these issues, do a Google search for "XYZ airlines overbooked".
And now the thread dies with that rule.
New rule: read your links.
Airline bosses say the confusion came after a mix-up with one family’s booking, and Janine was selected because staff believed she was the last person to board the plane.
Ryanair has since issued an apology to Janine, admitting the incident did not follow the airline’s usual procedures.
A spokesperson told the M.E.N. that Ryanair has a policy of not overbooking flights, but says the flight in question was full, with many large family groups on board.
They don't overbook, this was a mixup. And with this, your argument is rendered moot once again.
QED.
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@kt_ quoted in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Ryanair has since issued an apology to Janine, admitting the incident did not follow the airline’s usual procedures.
And that's the real difference with UA: management aren't saying that kicking off boarded people is right.
Still don't want to fly with Ryanair. (Not enough leg-room for me.)
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ made a claim that Ryanair never has these sorts of issues, and though I love his Nescafe rants and like him as a person
I love you too, buddy. But don't get me started on Nescafé again! My parents bought a grinder and now they buy coffee beans and they keep saying "mmmm… my espresso from the espresso machine is delightful. It's never been better!" Sure it hasn't! It's the same, how could it be better?! And it's exactly the same as my Nescafé Gold, scratch that, as my Nescafé Classic! What the hell is wrong with people?! They spend money for a fucking thing that by the way does what they already were able to do! With a knife! Who wants a fucking electric grinder for $200?! Are you fucking insane? You should spend it on booze or something, anything just not this fucking hipster-ish apparatus that no one fucking needs because it doesn't affect the taste of their coffee!
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@dkf said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ quoted in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Ryanair has since issued an apology to Janine, admitting the incident did not follow the airline’s usual procedures.
And that's the real difference with UA: management aren't saying that kicking off boarded people is right.
Still don't want to fly with Ryanair. (Not enough leg-room for me.)
They also have the highest percentage of flights arriving on time but that's just because they add like 32% (an oddly specific number!) time cap on all their flights.
BTW, you're up early.
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
They also have the highest percentage of flights arriving on time but that's just because they add like 32% (an oddly specific number!) time cap on all their flights.
Well, that just means they've decided that people value more arriving on time than arriving faster. It seems to work for their market (i.e. European flights of typical length 1-3 hours) and it's not dishonest, so where is the problem?
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
they add like 32% (an oddly specific number!)
Probably because 33% trips some kind of regulatory threshold.
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@Groaner said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Were we to adhere to such a rule,
conversations would be very shortwe'd all have wikipedia editor accounts.
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
New rule: read your links.
Takes out fire insurance homeowner's policy.
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
New rule: Before you say that XYZ airlines does not have these issues, do a Google search for "XYZ airlines overbooked".
And now the thread dies with that rule.I did a search for "American Airlines overbooked" and the first page of the results was mostly links to the United fiasco, plus this interesting article:
Other airlines said they were examining their policies. American Airlines updated its rules to say that no passenger who has boarded the plane will be removed to give the seat to someone else.
I fly out of DFW, so American Airlines is usually the cheapest option for me (except for Spirit, which isn't much cheaper after paying for a bag and a comfortable seat).
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@Polygeekery It seems that even united's CEO agrees with me. They changed their policy to almost exactly what I said they should be doing.
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery It seems that even united's CEO agrees with me. They changed their policy to almost exactly what I said they should be doing.
He was agreeing with me before he agreed with you, though.
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@wharrgarbl The video ends before they started using physical force. I rate this video: Inconclusive.
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
They don't overbook, this was a mixup. And with this, your argument is rendered moot once again.
I read the link. The point was that this was a woman who was asked to leave the aircraft after she was already on. I don't care how that happened, it happened. The airline screwed up and let too many people on the plane. One had to leave.
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery It seems that even united's CEO agrees with me. They changed their policy to almost exactly what I said they should be doing.
They are letting idiots make policy. Their days are numbered now.
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@xaade said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
That's before we get to the point of, airlines don't typically know you're not in your seat, unless there is a contention for the seat.
They have a count of how many people should be in first-class. You will see them take a headcount as soon as everyone is seated and buckled up.
But yeah, they don't even throw someone off the plane for sitting in the wrong seat. They throw them off for being assholes.
But @masonwheeler thinks that UA exclusively employs cartoon villains. He literally thinks that the very first thing they did was throw them off the plane, instead of first asking them to return to their assigned seat.
Actually, they know the number when people check-in and exchange their ticket for the boarding pass. The boarding pass has seat number assigned.
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@cheong said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Actually, they know the number when people check-in and exchange their ticket for the boarding pass. The boarding pass has seat number assigned.
Not always. (Sometimes it's blank and you need to inquire at the gate.)
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@heterodox said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@cheong said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Actually, they know the number when people check-in and exchange their ticket for the boarding pass. The boarding pass has seat number assigned.
Not always. (Sometimes it's blank and you need to inquire at the gate.)
That said, they should have count on how much boarding passes of each class of seat is given to passengers.
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@remi said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
They also have the highest percentage of flights arriving on time but that's just because they add like 32% (an oddly specific number!) time cap on all their flights.
Well, that just means they've decided that people value more arriving on time than arriving faster. It seems to work for their market (i.e. European flights of typical length 1-3 hours) and it's not dishonest, so where is the problem?
I don't know, did I say there is one?
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@dkf said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
they add like 32% (an oddly specific number!)
Probably because 33% trips some kind of regulatory threshold.
I don't know how much they over-estimate. It was a powers-of-2 joke. I failed telling it, though.
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
They don't overbook, this was a mixup. And with this, your argument is rendered moot once again.
I read the link. The point was that this was a woman who was asked to leave the aircraft after she was already on. I don't care how that happened, it happened. The airline screwed up and let too many people on the plane. One had to leave.
WTF? !
overbooking is shitty
yeah, but that's because people want cheap tickets whaargble!
they still don't have to overbook to achieve that. One of the cheapest European airlines doesn't overbook.
Yes they do. Whaaargbl. (Link)
no they don't. It says so in the link, it was a booking mistake, not overbooking.
doesn't matter! They threw someone out of the plane. Whaaargable!Got a quick question: are you serious?
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery It seems that even united's CEO agrees with me. They changed their policy to almost exactly what I said they should be doing.
They are letting idiots make policy. Their days are numbered now.
When did you decide to put on your Lorne-suit? I'm really not sure at which point you started being a troll in this thread. Was it from the beginning?
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Got a quick question: are you serious?
Yes. Because even without overbooking, things like this still happen.
Less often, but they still happen.
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
When did you decide to put on your Lorne-suit?
Well, I wasn't going to kill him and skin him and just let it all go to waste.
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I'm really not sure at which point you started being a troll in this thread. Was it from the beginning?
No. But I can only handle so much of Brazilian Communists. They are almost as bad as Illinois Nazis.
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@wharrgarbl said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
TRWTF was allowing nonrev passengers to take priority over paying passengers.
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Got a quick question: are you serious?
Yes. Because even without overbooking, things like this still happen.
Less often, but they still happen.
But I'm not taking about fucking throwing people out of the plane anymore and you're not too!
I said that overbooking is shitty. You said it's required if ticket prices are to be kept low. I said "hey, there's this cheap airline that doesn't do this". You said that they do overbook. And you even said "you should google for [airline name] overbooking first". I point out you were wrong, in your link it says it was a booking mistake. In your link it says "Ryanair boasts they don't overbook".
And then you tell me it's not about overbooking but about throwing people out of the plane?
Come on, you're going full-:Fox: now.
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Got a quick question: are you serious?
Yes. Because even without overbooking, things like this still happen.
Less often, but they still happen.
But I'm not taking about fucking throwing people out of the plane anymore and you're not too!
I said that overbooking is shitty. You said it's required if ticket prices are to be kept low. I said "hey, there's this cheap airline that doesn't do this". You said that they do overbook. And you even said "you should google for [airline name] overbooking first". I point out you were wrong, in your link it says it was a booking mistake. In your link it says "Ryanair boasts they don't overbook".
And then you tell me it's not about overbooking but about throwing people out of the plane?
Come on, you're going full-:Fox: now.
We are in a conversation where pretty much everyone but you is still talking about the doctor being drug from the plane. I stayed in that mode. You are correct, you were trying to make a different point and I did not switch gears on that one.
Yes, RyanAir officially does not overbook. But they still end up overbooking. Very occasionally, and it gets handled better, and they do so on accident instead of on purpose. But yes, RyanAir appears to be able to keep prices low while not overbooking. But that also brings us back to the point that was made earlier that Europeans no-show at a much lesser rate than US flyers do. Americans are shitheads.
Also, not trying to go full . I woke up with a screaming headache and my eyes are hurting because I fell asleep with my contacts in last night.
Does RyanAir serve Nescafe?
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@Sumireko said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
TRWTF was allowing nonrev passengers to take priority over paying passengers.
Not necessarily. Especially when those "nonrev" passengers are key to a whole plane load of revenue (and possibly more due to secondary, etc, effects of flight delays and cancellations).
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Got a quick question: are you serious?
Yes. Because even without overbooking, things like this still happen.
Less often, but they still happen.
But I'm not taking about fucking throwing people out of the plane anymore and you're not too!
I said that overbooking is shitty. You said it's required if ticket prices are to be kept low. I said "hey, there's this cheap airline that doesn't do this". You said that they do overbook. And you even said "you should google for [airline name] overbooking first". I point out you were wrong, in your link it says it was a booking mistake. In your link it says "Ryanair boasts they don't overbook".
And then you tell me it's not about overbooking but about throwing people out of the plane?
Come on, you're going full-:Fox: now.
We are in a conversation where pretty much everyone but you is still talking about the doctor being drug from the plane. I stayed in that mode. You are correct, you were trying to make a different point and I did not switch gears on that one.
Yes, RyanAir officially does not overbook. But they still end up overbooking. Very occasionally, and it gets handled better, and they do so on accident instead of on purpose. But yes, RyanAir appears to be able to keep prices low while not overbooking. But that also brings us back to the point that was made earlier that Europeans no-show at a much lesser rate than US flyers do. Americans are shitheads.
Also, not trying to go full . I woke up with a screaming headache and my eyes are hurting because I fell asleep with my contacts in last night.
Does RyanAir serve Nescafe?
They serve Nescafé so dark and strong and dense it kills every headache. Or rather, it makes you feel so bad in your tummy, you forget about the headache altogether and you go directly for razor blades.
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I woke up with a screaming headache and my eyes are hurting because I fell asleep with my contacts in last night.
I suspect a more accurate cause exists for both things you mentioned.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I woke up with a screaming headache and my eyes are hurting because I fell asleep with my contacts in last night.
I suspect a more accurate cause exists for both things you mentioned.
All 3 things, you mean.
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@boomzilla said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I woke up with a screaming headache and my eyes are hurting because I fell asleep with my contacts in last night.
I suspect a more accurate cause exists for both things you mentioned.
Close. It was a bottle of Kirkland's American Vodka. None of that pansy French vodka.
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This post is deleted!
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Has this one been posted yet? Only a whiff of United however:
Long story short: A dad returning from Mexico with his 3-year-old daughter who has lighter skin than his is suspected of sex trafficking her. (And not to pile on, but it was a United flight.)
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@PJH What's the big deal? The guy got priority deplaning!
When the plane taxied to the gate, however, a number of officers from the Port Authority and Customs and Border Patrol boarded the plane, approached my husband and instructed him to grab his carry-ons and follow them. He and our daughter were escorted out of the plane before anyone else could get off.
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
It was a powers-of-2 joke.
Oh, in that case I'd expect 50% or 25% or 12.5% (2-1, 2-2, 2-3 respectively).
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@PJH said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
Has this one been posted yet? Only a whiff of United however:
From the article:
The saddest thing is that we finally reached the point where fathers are as connected to their children as mothers are. There are even diaper changing tables in some men’s restrooms!
And some of the airplane lavatories have Scottish changing tables.
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@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
For anyone else who wants to say that their airline never does such a thing, just keep in mind that I will do the 5 seconds of research to find out that they have. All commercial airlines are shit, they have been since the price wars started, and will continue to be until people stop searching Expedia for the cheapest flight.
Even then, there will still be issues with people getting bumped, though it may not be because of overselling. I think that a distinction needs to be made.
- Overbooking is when there are more butts than seats. There are a variety of ways this can happen, including a need to transport flight crews and displaced passengers from other flights.
- Overselling is when more tickets are sold than there are seats for. This may lead to to overbooking.
Now, Ryanair has a policy against overselling, so do a handful of other airlines. I am aware of absolutely zero commercial airlines that have eliminated overbooking.
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@abarker said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
I am aware of absolutely zeros commercial airlines that have eliminated overbooking.
- Eastern Airlines
- TWA
I am sure the diligent reader can come up with more.
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@boomzilla I'm not sure that going out of business counts.
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@abarker I think it makes the point quite nicely, actually.
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@abarker said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
For anyone else who wants to say that their airline never does such a thing, just keep in mind that I will do the 5 seconds of research to find out that they have. All commercial airlines are shit, they have been since the price wars started, and will continue to be until people stop searching Expedia for the cheapest flight.
Even then, there will still be issues with people getting bumped, though it may not be because of overselling. I think that a distinction needs to be made.
- Overbooking is when there are more butts than seats. There are a variety of ways this can happen, including a need to transport flight crews and displaced passengers from other flights.
- Overselling is when more tickets are sold than there are seats for. This may lead to to overbooking.
Now, Ryanair has a policy against overselling, so do a handful of other airlines. I am aware of absolutely zero commercial airlines that have eliminated overbooking.
much?
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@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@abarker said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
For anyone else who wants to say that their airline never does such a thing, just keep in mind that I will do the 5 seconds of research to find out that they have. All commercial airlines are shit, they have been since the price wars started, and will continue to be until people stop searching Expedia for the cheapest flight.
Even then, there will still be issues with people getting bumped, though it may not be because of overselling. I think that a distinction needs to be made.
- Overbooking is when there are more butts than seats. There are a variety of ways this can happen, including a need to transport flight crews and displaced passengers from other flights.
- Overselling is when more tickets are sold than there are seats for. This may lead to to overbooking.
Now, Ryanair has a policy against overselling, so do a handful of other airlines. I am aware of absolutely zero commercial airlines that have eliminated overbooking.
much?
I was one of the few who had achieved the silver badge during our discourse days. In fact, I think I was one of 2. I take pride in my ry!
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@abarker said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@kt_ said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@abarker said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
@Polygeekery said in United Airlines: the airline we love to hate, but we can't agree on why:
For anyone else who wants to say that their airline never does such a thing, just keep in mind that I will do the 5 seconds of research to find out that they have. All commercial airlines are shit, they have been since the price wars started, and will continue to be until people stop searching Expedia for the cheapest flight.
Even then, there will still be issues with people getting bumped, though it may not be because of overselling. I think that a distinction needs to be made.
- Overbooking is when there are more butts than seats. There are a variety of ways this can happen, including a need to transport flight crews and displaced passengers from other flights.
- Overselling is when more tickets are sold than there are seats for. This may lead to to overbooking.
Now, Ryanair has a policy against overselling, so do a handful of other airlines. I am aware of absolutely zero commercial airlines that have eliminated overbooking.
much?
I was one of the few who had achieved the silver badge during our discourse days. In fact, I think I was one of 2. I take pride in my ry!
It's nice to take pride in one's work.