Download the download manager to download this file



  • So I'm finally getting an ERD for the first time working at this N-WTF Inc.

    They use ERwin.
    So I had to download it and the website suggests that I use their download manager.

    What?

    Download the Download manager to download this file?

    Anyway, I downloaded it without the download manager. They have an option at least so that I won't *have to * use the download manager.

    Turns out, N-WTF Inc. use ERwin 7.3.x. I downloaded 9.x.

    Incompatible.



  • AFAIK both asus, asrock, Ms and blizzard use custom down loaders. It's fairly common, especially with large files, or collections of files.



  • You need to download a 'Download Manager' Manager...



  • @swayde said:

    AFAIK both asus, asrock, Ms and blizzard use custom down loaders. It's fairly common, especially with large files, or collections of files.

    Of course, if I'm going to download 20GB big games then yes.



  • I remember that since there is a download manager come with IE9+, the download manager addin of MSDN site will not load when these browers are detected. However the internal download manager of IE9/10 do not properly support resume (resume button exist but always start to download from the beginning), we need to do some tweak to bring it back. (Acutally as I review the steps on that site, it missing "Enable compatibility view" step and without that, the FTM won't launch)



  • @tar said:

    You need to download a 'Download Manager' Manager

    I downloaded DownThemAll to manage my downloads so I don't need to download download managers from download sites, which usually come stuffed with foistware that installs trojan downloaders.



  • @Ascendant said:

    Of course, if I'm going to download 20GB big games then yes.

    Then they should fucking offer a torrent. This download manager dumbfuckery could only occur to people who have been trained to think that running a gazillion different updater services for every stupid little app that all hog memory and hang around in your system tray was "just the way things work".



  • I use the incredibly dodgy sounding yet not actually dodgy Free Download Manager - especially handy when dealing with websites that drop the connection regularly and\or have incredibly slow speeds (looking at you, Toshiba!)



  • @Douglasac said:

    Free Download Manager

    I would have avoided it at first sight. The combination of these three words raises an immediate alarm in my head.

    @flabdablet
    Where has the French taunter gone? It was my favourite!



  • @Ascendant said:

    I would have avoided it at first sight. The combination of these three words raises an immediate alarm in my head.

    I did as well, but after using a couple of others they weren't as good. Used it as a last resort and it's been fine ever since.



  • @Ascendant said:

    Where has the French taunter gone?

    He don' wanna talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper.



  • @LaoC said:

    Then they should fucking offer a torrent.

    Which is what most of the game companies do these days under the covers anyway, except for the part where you have to explain to Joe Gamer how to use a BitTorrent client.



  • I don't think Valve or ArenaNet use torrents, if only for the fact that my entire internet connection doesn't come crashing down when I open their downloaders.

    And also because they have download servers.



  • Wargaming just embeds the torrent functionality within its game launcher.
    To common users: You don't need to know, it is magic.



  • @ben_lubar said:

    I don't think Valve or ArenaNet use torrents, if only for the fact that my entire internet connection doesn't come crashing down when I open their downloaders.

    Valve have one of the best CDNs for a game service. Even at product launch I've had it max my gigabit connection. For all the winging about them building a virtual monopoly they seem to be doing it right.



  • @Ascendant said:

    They use ERwin.

    I smell a :wtf:

    I had the pleasure of working with Rational Rhapsody on one project. All the way to generating code with it. I seriously doubt it helped anything.

    @Ascendant said:

    Turns out, N-WTF Inc. use ERwin 7.3.x.

    Then the installer should live on a network share somewhere inside the company. All project required software should. It makes setting up new people a lot easier and disk space is not that expensive (back in previous job, they often kept the installers in version control, but I would call that :wtf:).

    @Ascendant said:

    Incompatible.

    Just more of a reason the installer should live on the project share.



  • I know a number of ISPs signed deals with gaming companies like Gamania, that when the company release patches, they get it first and put a copy on local cache server. Now when the users of that ISP try to fetch the patch, the transparent proxy redirect the request to local cache server instead.

    The game companies' server won't get swarmed by overwhelming number of request, the ISPs save money on the precious international bandwidth, ISP users get downloads real fast. It's Win-Win situation for everyone.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ben_lubar said:

    if only for the fact that my entire internet connection doesn't come crashing down when I open their downloaders

    TIL "two cans joined by a piece of string" counts as an internet connection. :trolleybus:



  • It was really common a few years ago (Adobe did it for a while to get Flash), but I think the practice has almost died now.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @DoctorJones said:

    TIL "two cans joined by a piece of string" counts as an internet connection. :trolleybus:

    Is the piece of string wet or dry? It makes a difference to signal transmission fidelity…


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I don't know, it's Ben's "internet connection". You'll have to ask him.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @DoctorJones said:

    I don't know, it's Ben's "internet connection". You'll have to ask him.

    It's Wisconsin and it's winter, so it's probably frozen milk whey.



  • @LaoC said:

    This download manager dumbfuckery could only occur to people who have been trained to think that running a gazillion different updater services for every stupid little app that all hog memory and hang around in your system tray was "just the way things work".

    AKA The Windows Way.



  • TRWTF is that N-WTF, Inc., owns software that they don't have an installation method for. If they're small, I'd expect a network share with different software packages. If they're large, I'd expect a managed deployment package. Expecting users to download and install software from the Internet is really poor practice.

    "Yeah, but I'm not a user. I'm a developer."

    And you still screwed it up, didn't you?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @BaconBits said:

    If they're large, I'd expect a managed deployment package.

    Sometimes if they're large, they're like a bunch of small that share facilities and the car lot.



  • Yeah, the download-the-download-manager thing to get the freaking file I WANTED in the first place, is an especially obnoxious thing that has developed in the last 5-10 years. ESPECIALLY if the freaking download manager is an INSTALL that will then sit on the computer after having grabbed whatever it was I wanted.
    Nope. Hard nope.



  • @Vaire said:

    ESPECIALLY if the freaking download manager is an INSTALL that will then sit on the computer after having grabbed whatever it was I wanted

    :frystare: at Adobe



  • @Cursorkeys said:

    Valve have one of the best CDNs for a game service.

    They're still just using akamai, ain't they?



  • @flabdablet said:

    @Vaire said:
    ESPECIALLY if the freaking download manager is an INSTALL that will then sit on the computer after having grabbed whatever it was I wanted

    :frystare: at Adobe


    Last time I installed Flash, the installer would delete itself after running. Even if it was on a network share. Even if the installation failed. :anger:



  • @Zecc said:

    Last time I installed Flash, the installer would delete itself after running. Even if it was on a network share. Even if the installation failed. :anger:

    OTOH if it succeeds it will enable remote access to your computer for so many people that you can count on some friendly fellow from Ukraine or so to put it back eventually. Just in case you should accidentally uninstall Flash.


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