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Well, if you snitched on your neighbour in the GDR then you'd get rewards. It's not as if all those people ratted on their neighbours because they were afraid. Granted, the scale is different. But the tactics have been used before.
But this proposal isn't snitching. It's just utilizing the data that's out there to encourage people into certain behaviors. And the social media aspect is predicted to encourage the encouraged to encourage the unencouraged. (Sorry)
And the benefits often seem to be pretty dispersed, so it's not so obvious that it's all coming from Big Brother.
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Ostracising people because they "don't fit in" also isn't something new for anyone who ever lived in a small town.
The behaviour is not new. It's the scale of it.
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The behaviour is not new. It's the scale of it.
Yeah, I've agreed all along that there are a lot of similarities with previous awfulness. Just that there are some novelties about this approach.
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@Rhywden said:
bored to death before they reach the end
A vine of DF should work
But it can't be any longer than six se--
Oh, wait. Dwarf Fortress. Yeah, never mind.
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Okay, @Maciejasjmj , on the second look, this whole thing doesn't seem like anything new. It's just embracing new technology to do the same old shit. Modern China is going the exact same way that Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia went. They're doing exactly the same, and the effect will be probably exactly the same, too. Nothing revolutionary here.
But I'm still scared of it.
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Fuck you. I'm at work and you didn't provide a synopsis.
Then you should keep your trap shut until you can watch it. What, there's no YouTube for Windows Mobile?
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Since Windows Mobile has been dead for like 5 years, I'm guessing not.
HERE COMES A DRAX JOKE EVERYBODY
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Great JEEEROREEERORGB!
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Since Windows Mobile has been dead for like 5 years, I'm guessing not.
HERE COMES A DRAX JOKE EVERYBODY
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You deliberately say the wrong stuff just so you can get other people to rant about it, so do I, sucker.
But if that's what you need to do to take your mind off the fact that nobody writes software for Windows Phone or whatever they're calling it this week, don't let me stop you. In fact, maybe you should go so far as to get all hipster and act like one of a Gentoo loon--you're the cool kid because you're using a mobile OS nobody else is, man.
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You may have written ||||V, but it's clear you meant "Touché, @FrostCat. You got me good."
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I was reminded of the fictional Manna when watching this, although that story is of course too obvious in differencing between dismal future and full-fledged utopia.
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Hey, I use that! And need to write a better free IRC app some time if I can make myself care enough, but what apps we have are quite good.
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We are everything, to everyone, depending upon the argument they are making.
I've been called a liberal by conservatives (though it's been a while) and a conservative by liberals. Maybe I'm both? I'm so confused.....
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Everyone consider themselves a normal person. Everyone to the left of them, they consider liberal/democrat/commie, and everyone to the right they see as conservative/republican/fascist. You are just caught in the middle.
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One of my relatives recently realized that there's such a thing as 'too liberal for her', which I found quite entertaining.
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What's funny is that liberal is such a vague term that it can mean anything. For example, is the right to refuse to make business with someone for no reason, liberal or not?
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Hey, I use that!
Well, you too are the cool kid because you're using a[n] OS nobody else is, man!
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I've been called a liberal by conservatives (though it's been a while) and a conservative by liberals. Maybe I'm both? I'm so confused.....
You must be one of those "undecided" SOBs.
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When someone's reason for not being as liberal as some other people involves 'can't keep up with them anymore', you know something weird is going on. It's apparently some kind of race toward an infinitely moving goal or something?
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For example, is the right to refuse to make business with someone for no reason, liberal or not?
E_WHO_WHOM
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It's apparently some kind of race toward an infinitely moving goal or something?
You know how a long running TV show has to keep topping whatever it did before? Same deal with lefties. They're really after power, so no matter how many things they can change to the way they say they should be, the next thing will be portrayed as even worse than the last.
TV shows have the ability to pull something new out of their ass and just make something up. Lefties have to make you believe that stuff you never would have considered a problem is now a crisis. It's kind of tragically funny, because so many of them rant and rail against "consumerism" making people want to buy things they didn't know they wanted.
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I was reminded of the fictional Manna when watching this, although that story is of course too obvious in differencing between dismal future and full-fledged utopia.
It also has HUGE flaws in it.
No matter how many robots you have, you can't give EVERYBODY beachfront property on Lake Washington, or front-row seats at Justin Bieber concerts. The author doesn't even bother to attempt to explain how that works in his "utopia". Lottery system? I guess?
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You don't half talk some shite. Gamification creates self-reinforcing echo chambers, and this place, post-Discourse, is no different. Posting something that goes against the largely right-wing neoliberal groupthink will net you zero likes, playing to the crowd will have the sheep fighting each other to click the "like" button. The only difference here is that being given "likes" mean nothing beyond e-peen, but if it actually did mean something, there would be less people like me willing to call halfwitted cunts like you out on their self-congratulatory wankspeak.
While I still haven't been able to figure out how to accurately categorize the prevailing political opinion here (aside from "also wrong"), I do agree with the spirit of what you say.
When posting here, I often find myself considering to adjust my posts to be more like-able at the cost of not saying what I actually wanted to say. (I like to think I resist this in the end - but do I, really?)
I suspect the only people who don't do this to some degree are the ones whose opinions happened to align with the "center of the echochamber".Everything Blakey said about gamification was right. And it scares me that I'm agreeing with him more and more lately.
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Everything Blakey said about gamification was right. And it scares me that I'm agreeing with him more and more lately.
That means you're getting more and more intelligent.
The greatest wisdom is to be completely unlikable at all times.
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tell me why people vote for what they consider evil?
They don't want the wrong lizard to get in.
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When you get right down to it, if the people in charge of a given industry are all operating hand-in-glove with the government, practically speaking there's no effective difference between whatever that is called and socialism
You what, you say? A couple of nutshell definitions.
- Socialism (and communism, which is what the Chinese nominally do) is about giving the workers a fair share of the value of what they produce. This can, but does not necessarily, involve the government controlling all aspects of certain businesses.
That's not what's happening here. A couple of businesses are working with the Chinese government, but no more so than, for example, Raytheon work with the US government.
- Capitalism is about giving the owners of businesses what they want, and allowing them to pay the workers what the can get away with.
That's not what you're drivelling on about either. Indeed, capitalism or socialism have nothing to do with this.
- Neoliberalism, maybe? That is about devolving government to "the market". The argument generally used is "government has no place involving itself in <X>" where X might be drinkable water, healthcare or whatever, on the grounds that the "competition" provided by "the market" will somehow magically make everything more efficient.
And yet even this isn't the case. There are no reports that the Chinese government will relinquish any of its iron grip here. Work with, keep control.
This is not a political issue in terms of Socialism, Communism, Capitalism, Neoliberalism, Fascism (although it's probably closest to that) or any other ism. It's an attempt at a revolution in control of the way the masses think, and, regardless of whether it works, it's probably coming to you sooner than you think.
except for the dictionary definition.
Oh, yeah. I forgot. You're fucking moron, aren't you? Or, as you might say, "quite literally, a cunt."*
One last thing. Complaining abut the Chinese being socialist is a bit like complaining about the Americans being - well - American.
* except for the dictionary definition.
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In Poland, if it comes from the government, it's assumed evil.
The president isn't exactly covering himself in glory recently.
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The president isn't exactly covering himself in glory recently.
Nawww, that can't be true. Just look at that crowd!
"You are our hope!"
"You are our pride!"
"Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts which you have sucked!"
...wait, what was that last one?
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I like how everyone's looking in a different direction.
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I submit to my new otter overlords!
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The president isn't exactly covering himself in glory recently.
It's hard to shine when after a very successful diplomatic visit in China that was a beginning of the way to reconstitute the Silk Road with Poland as core partner in the initiative, all that TV stations talked about was that our president had a very hard time walking on top of frozen Great Wall, and that some Chinese kid can't tell Holland and Poland apart.
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Socialism (and communism, which is what the Chinese nominally do) is about giving the workers a fair share of the value of what they produce. This can, but does not necessarily, involve the government controlling all aspects of certain businesses.
I can see why you might think that, at least in theory. It requires that you believe that the labor theory of value aligns with "fair share." And it totally ignores human nature and real world socialism or communism.
Capitalism is about giving the owners of businesses what they want, and allowing them to pay the workers what the can get away with.
I get why you think that, too. I would have said it was about providing a framework where people can use their resources as they see fit.
I like the old saying about how the problem with capitalism is capitalists and the problem with socialism is socialism.
Neoliberalism, maybe?
This isn't a word used much in American circles, so I can't say much about it.
One last thing. Complaining abut the Chinese being socialist is a bit like complaining about the Americans being - well - American.
TDEMSYR
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I suspect the only people who don't do this to some degree are the ones whose opinions happened to align with the "center of the echochamber".
But which echo chamber? I find the complaints about echo chambers both amusing and annoying. When certain people are unable to convince certain other people, they turn to the idea that the reason must be some sort of echo chamber where those people are only listening to themselves. It can't possibly be different values and ideas.
Echo chambers are boring, whether the focus is political or PHP or C#.
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You what, you say? A couple of nutshell definitions.
Well, that was a bunch of non-responsive bullshit that was also wrong.
Here's a clue, you started out with an incorrect definition of socialism. I don't see why it's worth bothering reading the rest of your post. You also completely ignored the nuance of what I said even as you quoted it.
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Does it really say that or are you just trolling?
I'm not trolling. Can't say for that woman holding the banner...
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complaining about the Americans being - well - American
To be fair, that never gets old.
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To be fair, that never gets old.
Nobody complains about Australians being anything because nobody cares.
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(heartbroken)
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If a heart is broken in Australia and no one is around to care, does it matter?
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If a heart is broken in Australia and no one
FTFYisaroundtohere cares, does it matter?
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Well, it is Australia. If you have a heart broken there, there's nearly 100 percent chance there's nobody but dingos and scorpions around either.
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You
conservativesneoliberals always claim to believe in meritocracy, but when someone creates a system to reward people based on how good they are — that's different?
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Meritocracy would be perfect if there was an objective measurement of merit. Sadly, I've never seen any objective person to propose any objective measurement.
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You don't half talk some shite. Gamification creates self-reinforcing echo chambers, and this place, post-Discourse, is no different. Posting something that goes against the largely right-wing neoliberal groupthink will net you zero likes, playing to the crowd will have the sheep fighting each other to click the "like" button. The only difference here is that being given "likes" mean nothing beyond e-peen, but if it actually did mean something, there would be less people like me willing to call halfwitted cunts like you out on their self-congratulatory wankspeak.
Everything Blakey said about gamification was right. And it scares me that I'm agreeing with him more and more lately.
That's bullshit.
This place barely has any gamification at all.
Do you see the number of likes next to each avatar? Do you see any kind of user ranking anywhere at all? You can't even search for well liked posts without going to some obscure badges page. Go to stack overflow and look around, for an idea of what the real gamification looks like.
The only area where likes play any role at all is with gaining access to the private section. But f you have a pulse and spend a few months hanging around and participating, you can get that almost by default.
There are good reasons why you might not want to participate in flamewars. Maybe you don't have the time or the energy. Maybe you're not sure you'll be able to support your opinions in a real debate. Maybe you feel that your position is already well represented by others. Maybe you just don't want to fight and want everyone to agree with you by default.
I've experienced all of these at one point or another. But none of them have anything to do with any kind of gamification system in the forum software we are using. "I feel oppressed by the lack of likes!" is a convenient excuse and nothing more.
