If Windows is Updated, Only Windows Users Will Have Updated Windows
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Sidestepping the issue, aren't we?
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Sidestepping the issue, aren't we?
I thought I was taking it head on. I've asked you a couple of times to be explicit about it, so if you think I am then you have only yourself to blame.
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I use chrome desktop to remote, because tunneling is turned off, and so I don't have that problem.
Drag chrome desktop onto another desktop then Win+Ctrl+[->] and bam, I'm on the RDP screen.
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Listen up. I posted some polls, at least one of them showed that most people in that poll had a negative reaction. Then you go and lump the neutrals in with the positive group and said "See! Most people are positive or neutral!"
So fucking what? Why does that matter? Why do the neutrals get lumped in with the positives? You have yet to justify that asinine decision.
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Again, I'm defining my "neutral" in a broader sense. It would encompass all values not positive or negative.
That there are subgroups within those three groups (positive, negative, neutral) goes without saying.
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All this pedantry about poll statistics and not one mention of how online polls are not actually random.
I am somewhat disappointed.
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I use chrome desktop to remote, because tunneling is turned off, and so I don't have that problem.
Drag chrome desktop onto another desktop then Win+Ctrl+[->] and bam, I'm on the RDP screen.
Never tried it, but I may. But that is just a workaround for what should be able to be made to work properly in MS RDP, as they are the ones who came up with the damned system.
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I actually did mention that, albeit implicitly, regarding the proper choice of sample groups.
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Again, I'm defining my "neutral" in a broader sense. It would encompass all values not positive or negative.
But you lump them in with the positives!
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Then the problem isn't the virtual desktops, it's RDP.
I'm having no problems.
I even have a G13, so I mapped the keystrokes.
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Well, originally I simply doubted your statement that most people hated Windows 8.
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I actually did mention that, albeit implicitly, regarding the proper choice of sample groups.
...and I asked you to go find a better sample. I picked the low hanging fruit on Google results.
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Well, originally I simply doubted your statement that most people hated Windows 8.
Goddamn, you are just like blakey. Literal interpretation of everything with no room for colloquial speech. Then I clarified it as a generally negative response, etc. Then you put those who have no opinion in with the positives, because you are working on your own definitions of things.
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But you lump them in with the positives!
To show you the ambiguity of your statement. You said: "Most people don't like Windows 8". I said: "Most people are either indifferent or positive towards Windows 8".
Depending on how you define "most" for yourself, both can be true.
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I said: "Most people are either indifferent or positive towards Windows 8".
Which fucking lumps neutrals in with positives! Goddamn man, this is not hard.
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Fun, isn't it?
So, let's talk about your feelings: What are your opinions on Discourse?
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"Most people don't like Windows 8"
False.
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So, let's talk about your feelings: What are your opinions on Discourse?
I feel like it does an adequate job of facilitating arguments on the internet, but overall I have negative feelings about it. And yourself? ;)
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You can't say by reviews how many hate the product, but you can compare to other OSes, and Windows 8 compares to XP in the reviews.
Fact is that people don't like change.
The main reason alternating versions of Windows are bad/good, is that one version changes a lot of things (people hate change), then the next makes those things much better.
Everything 8 did that I hated, they did better in 10, and since I'm used to 8, I get the illusion of it being better, when in fact it's not more favorable than any other version, on mere merit. Now I like 10 more than I liked 7. However, if they introduced 10 right after 7 skipping 8, there'd probably be similar levels of hate.
Hate is not a real measure of (lack of quality?) though.
Because people hate for trivial or ignorant reasons.
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Which fucking lumps neutrals in with positives! Goddamn man, this is not hard.
To be fair: I'd have pulled the same argument were the numbers reversed and you'd have said: "Most people love Windows 8!" The beef of it is that I have a problem with using superlatives in such a context where very much depends on other groups relative the reference one.
To put it into perspective where I'm coming from: 55% voted for party A, 45% for party B!
Thus, most people voted for party A.Then you pull in the non-voters and suddenly it's 27.5% for party A, 22.5% for party B and 50% didn't vote.
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Again, I'm defining my "neutral" in a broader sense.
OK, at least now you're admitting that it's you who is making up definitions.
To go back to your number analogy, let's assume we're interested in positive, negative and, uh, neutral (i.e., 0). Then you have these responses:
- 1
- 5
- -6
- 0
- N/A
Your counting system would say that you got 2 positive, a negative and 2 neutral responses. You've over counted neutral responses.
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Then you pull in the non-voters and suddenly it's 27.5% for party A, 22.5% for party B and 50% didn't vote.
That's because there's good reasons to hate any party.
If you were to take a political party and its followers in a vacuum. You'd find after a while, that party would split and you'd have the same results.
(Evidence, UK political divide is to the left of US political divide by a wide margin, and yet the UK divide still exists).
It's hard to get a lot of people to like 1 thing.
And a government / product functions best if most people like it. Regardless of what it is.
I know that sounds morally bizarre, but it is in fact very much reality for all of history.
Government / products only fail when the majority hates all of it.
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I already said that I'm looking at it similar to Mathematics, which has several neutrals.
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Even so, you're making up information that you don't have, no matter how you try to dress it up.
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/just-how-much-do-people-hate-windows-8/
Uhmmmm, I don't have time to go over all of his information, but one glaring thing stands out to me:
Notes on methodology: I gathered ratings from Amazon.com on March 31, 2013, for the following products, all in retail boxed upgrade packaging: Windows 8 Pro; Windows 7 Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate; Windows Vista Home Premium (original and SP1), Business, and Ultimate; and Windows XP Home and Professional (both original and SP2).
Why the hell did he only pull information for Win8 Pro but pull all versions for the others?
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Depends on what those responses represent.
If 0 and N/A both represent a persons lack of approval/disapproval, then it's a fair calculation.
If 0 represents the lacking, and N/A represents 'no response', then we don't know what the real outcome is, because that non-responder could in fact hate it, making a negative response.
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Hate is not a real measure of (lack of quality?) though.
No, but it is a measure of acceptance, and that is what we are talking about. No one said that Win8 crashes like ME did.
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You're trying to pass your opinion as a god-given definition again.
Are you implying that @boomzilla is not a God ?
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Even so, you're making up information that you don't have, no matter how you try to dress it up.
That's rich coming from someone who tried to pull this:
But if we want to interpret it, a reasonable one would be that they're avoiding it, which sounds pretty negative
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Are you implying that @boomzilla is not a God ?
Are you sure he isn't? He gets to make up his own definition for "ominipotence". ;)
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but it is a measure of acceptance
Not very accurate.
A better measurement is adoption; the amount of people who bought in, specifically when the had the opportunity to buy for one machine, and then choose to buy for another.
In that realm you have a better and more concrete argument.
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Depends on what those responses represent.
They represent the number's relation to zero. I put that right in my post. Someone didn't put in a number. You can't relate that to zero on the scale. So if you put it with any of those categories your'e wrong. Kind of like saying that a response of "no opinion" is a neutral opinion. It isn't. It's not an opinion at all.
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A better measurement is adoption; the amount of people who bought in, specifically when the had the opportunity to buy for one machine, and then choose to buy for another.
Yeah, but even that would only tell part of the story, because some of those people will buy in and end up hating it long-term, some will do the same but love it and some will buy in and be neutral.
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That's rich coming from someone who tried to pull this:
Why? I was using a hypothetical as a demonstration of why you were wrong. I also left it obviously open to other interpretations, which is very different from what you were doing with the data.
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Riiiight, "hypothetical". Suuure. A politician's weasel words: "But I used the conjunctive! Never made an absolute statement!"
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You give those less weight.
If someone bought in, and they didn't have an opportunity to buy in again, you give that less weight.
If they bought in, and had an easy opportunity to roll back, that gets more weight.
But hate, is on a whim.
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But hate, is on a whim.
Which is why I clarified my statement, and showed a poll of people who bought in and disliked, liked or were neutral. Most people were in the dislike column.
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But people tend, statistically, towards hate. Especially when they don't have options, because they can easily imagine an alternative that's not realistically achievable.
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Riiiight, "hypothetical". Suuure.
Huh? Are you just trying to change the subject to cover something up? I'm not following you at all here.
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because they can easily imagine an alternative that's not realistically achievable.
Like a Start menu that doesn't go full screen and cover everything? That is achievable, they have done it before. ;)
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I actually hated that pretty bad.
Got windows 10.
Switched the start menu to full screen.
Like it better than the popup.
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Got windows 10.
Switched the start menu to full screen.
Like it better than the popup.
Please, for your sake and sake of those that love you, seek professional help.
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Hear me out.
I think what it does better is it still behaves like desktop is the main mode.
So it wasn't the full screen menu I didn't like.
It was the fact that you couldn't escape from it into desktop.
Plus, your taskbar is still exposed in windows 10.
You can hit start, navigate the menu like Windows 8, but escape to desktop, or use a taskbar button.
Fullscreen start gives me a broader menu, and exposes more in the way that I like.
I've treated Start as a popout desktop icons alternative.
It's superior to pinning to taskbar because it gives you categories.
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Got windows 10.
Switched the start menu to full screen.
Like it better than the popup.
Can I get some of what you're smoking ?
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Can I get some of what you're smoking ?
He doesn't do "puff, puff, pass", he does "puff, puff, keep".
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It's superior to pinning to taskbar because it gives you categories.
You mean like that ?
Windows start menu is a clusterfuck of company names
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Stop treating me like I don't exist.
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Yes, it was in Windows 7.
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